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Easter Sunday. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:35 AM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > "Michael Thames" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

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do - a deer, a female deer re- a drop of ... common' everybody, join in! "and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell of a creepy crawly..." - Don Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), "Historias de la Conquista del Mayab" by Fra Joseph of San Buenaventura. go to: http://www.charango.cl/paginas/

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"Michael Thames" schrieb: > It is a well know fact, in the meetings that took place under Constantine > in the 6th century, they threw out the original Christian doctrine of > reincarnation. Etc. Emperor Constantine lived at the beginning of the 4th century and made Chr

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an Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 11:13 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > Today we have this thing called capitalism, you might be familiar with this > concept, if not I'll explain it to you. > In theory, if you make a better product than

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ames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:06 AM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > This thread is so incredibly embarrassing and disgusting, I think I have to > throw up. > The amount of rubbi

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-Original Message- From: danyel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 26, 2005 3:06 AM To: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lute net , Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology This thread is so incredibly embarrassing and disgusting,

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"Lutelist" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:33 AM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > Michael, > > thank you for the link. Books like this are very useful and should be > spread to the interested public. I, for one, have ever since belonged to > the interested public. > >

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; no point in that > "argument". > danyel > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Lute net" > > Sent: Saturday, March 26,

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at emotion! Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:14 AM Subject: Re: parchment, rwd and ch'in (Re: LUTE-etymology) > As you take refuge, once again, to offensive

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> > Leather is tanned and elastic and thus unsuitable for use as a membrane. Really? How come it is always used so by the cultures that lack in parchment technology? Fretless banjos, drums etc, etc. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://w

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ilami, there is absoLUTEly no point in that > "argument". > danyel > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" > > Sent: Satu

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> As you take refuge, once again, to offensive language for lack of > pausible arguments I quit discussion with you and your nonsense. Ask > accomplished Arabists about your 'ain - ghain rubbish. Get a life, > buddy. As Americans say- No pain, no ghain. But it is interesting to see "lutes as foreig

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As you take refuge, once again, to offensive language for lack of pausible arguments I quit discussion with you and your nonsense. Ask accomplished Arabists about your 'ain - ghain rubbish. Get a life, buddy. "danyel" schrieb: > Leather is tanned and elastic and thus un

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y lute-like instruments. Even the pipa (as seen in the 6-8th c. c.e. specimen kept in the Shosoin in Nara) was built extremely sturdy and quite unlike real lutes. Regards, danyel - Original Message - From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Tu

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Michael, thank you for the link. Books like this are very useful and should be spread to the interested public. I, for one, have ever since belonged to the interested public. However it's sad for me to see that some people try to teach others or project their prejudices (sometimes even their posi

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MAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:14 AM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > >> I am not a big fan of a culture that was based on slavery >until 50 years > >> ago. And my opinion is not helped by my unbelievably >nasty Tibetan > &g

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- From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > >> I am not a big fan of a culture that was based on slavery >until 50 years >

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>> I am not a big fan of a culture that was based on slavery >until 50 years >> ago. And my opinion is not helped by my unbelievably >nasty Tibetan >> downstairs neighbors. >> RT > > Are you speaking of your comrades, or the Tibetan's? > If it's the Tibetans you've been watching to many Chines

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>>> I have a very good friend who happens to be East Indian, and is a Captain >>> for Singapore Airlines. He and his entire family are Christians from >>> southern India that go back for generations. >>> >>> Evangelical missionaries have been active in Kerala for a >few centuries. >>> RT >> >> Ye

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>> Roman, I'm beginning to get the impression that you are a total western >> materialist. God save us! >> Michael Thames >> Eurocentrism does not preclude spirituality > > The only problem with that is you live in New York! > Michael Thames It has the best masala dosa outside the Subcontinent, co

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Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > >> This is

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alGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lutelist" ; "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymolog

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-- From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > >> Roman, another puzzle for you to ponder in your dismissal of eastern > >> influence on the w

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>> This is thinking within the box, with all due respect. This is western >> mans perspective isn't it? That monasteries evolved out of a material >> benefit, rather than spiritual benefit. >> To think that a culture ( India) that all of Europe and the rest of the >> world was seeking desperately

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>> I have a very good friend who happens to be East Indian, and is a Captain >> for Singapore Airlines. He and his entire family are Christians from >> southern India that go back for generations. >> >> Evangelical missionaries have been active in Kerala for a >few centuries. >> RT > > Yea, what

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>> I know many Lamas, believe me, none of them have any interest in reading >> the gospel according to Mathew. >> They make good pets, but chew up tabulatures. >> RT > > Only, if your orientation points to the South. My orientation includes neither lamas, nor llamas RT -- http://polyh

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> Well, the advantage of that thread is that I learned a few things about > the oud and even the Indian sitar, a late invention apparently, modelled > after the persian sehtar barely a couple of hundred years ago. > But from all other possible instruments, the one the closest to the > renaissance l

RE lute- etymology>Michael,

>Michael, >I totally disagree, and I think you misread what I'm >trying to say (my >fault, I should have been clearer). >I may be wrong, but I believe in the parallel >development of various >instruments in various places Jon, Perhaps we have been alittle loose with the term Lute, And mayb

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keep their activities secret. Of course, we have digressed from lutes. Best, Marion -Original Message- From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 24, 2005 1:13 PM To: Lutelist Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

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> beginning of a word. In txt-format, Greek characters are not possible, > so the spiritus has to be transcribed, and there you are: halieutika, > fishing tools. Well said Mathias, Thank you. I confess that my studies of the Greek language were many years ago, so I didn't have the word for that "

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>> My first serious paramour in the university days was a >Pueblo (San-Juan). > I >> fairly thoroughly penetrated that culture but found no >similarities to the >> old country. >> RT > > How many days ( hours) did it take you to thoroughly penetrate the native > American culture. > Michael Thames

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re. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:22 PM

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>> Not totally completely. I actually met a russophone >descendant of Macedon > a >> few years ago. Their language has quite a few Greek >words. > > I live a days drive from the Hopi Indian res. I have visited there a > few times and I'm totally amazed at the remarkable simalarities of the > Tibe

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inal Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lutelist" ; "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > >> that is what

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>> that is what some Buddhist teachers said, indeed, but >much later, i.e. >> during the 19th century when some single Lamas read >the Gospel according >> to Matthew (particularly the sermon on the mountain) >for the first >> time. > > I know many Lamas, believe me, none of them have any interest

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Yea, what else is new! Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lutelist" ; "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Se

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a total western materialist. God save us! Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIS

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>> i thought it was thomas who made it to india - >> probably brought his uke. >> - bill >> Did Juerg Meili go with him? > > Who the hell is Muerg Jeili? > Michael Thames Juerg Meili is Thomas' duet partner. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~

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>> western legends have Thomas travel to India, and Indian >Christian >> traditions claims the same. Which by no means is a >guarantee that this >> is historically documented. > > I have a very good friend who happens to be East Indian, and is a Captain > for Singapore Airlines. He and his entire

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ED]> To: "bill kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > > i thought it was thomas w

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ng Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:50 P

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t, active connection to Rome, > > than to >India, Tibet, > > > > This is thinking within the box, with all due > > respect. This is western > > mans perspective isn't it? That monasteries evolved > > out of a material > > benefit, rather than s

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- Original Message - From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > "Alain Veylit" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > I am a bit lost in this thread: I don&#

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Well, the advantage of that thread is that I learned a few things about the oud and even the Indian sitar, a late invention apparently, modelled after the persian sehtar barely a couple of hundred years ago. But from all other possible instruments, the one the closest to the renaissance lute is

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>> I am tempted to think that, while there is clear and >documented evidence >> of Greek influence on Buddhist art and civilization in >Northern India, >> very little went the other way, not because the Indians >were not >> civilized, There is absolutely no reason to pursue anything cultural after

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> This is thinking within the box, with all due respect. This is western > mans perspective isn't it? That monasteries evolved out of a material > benefit, rather than spiritual benefit. > To think that a culture ( India) that all of Europe and the rest of the > world was seeking desperately to do

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x27;t it? That monasteries evolved >> out of a material >> benefit, rather than spiritual benefit. >> To think that a culture ( India) that all of >> Europe and the rest of the >> world was seeking desperately to do trade with, from >> antiquity up to the >

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> > Actually, it even looks like the Arabs may have invented tablature: look > at http://trumpet.sdsu.edu/M345/Arab_Music1.html - The 10th century Iraqi vessel actually depicts a dutar (a proto-kobza), rather than an oud, and the musicial has mongoloid features, he could easily be a Seljuk, Turkme

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ystem of medicine has defined the Greek structure of western >> medical theory. Spontaneous Combustion principle? I guess it's the only >> way to explain that one off. >> Michael Thames >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> - Original Message - >> From: &q

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e and Europe? > > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > - Original Message - > From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; &qu

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> There is a Buddhist monastery in Laddak near the Kashmir valley in north > India with the entire life of Christ written in Tibetan the entire life of Christ, then, must be the text of a Gospel? I know no other narrative that contains Christ's life, but perhaps you do? I wonder how they trans

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"Alain Veylit" schrieb: > I am a bit lost in this thread: I don't know if there is any evidence - > let alone convincing - that Jesus travelled to India that rumour was brought up by the Ahmadiya sect during the 19th century. They had him travel to the region of Cashme

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>>Egypt and Asia Minor are have culturally more to do with Europe than India > >>and beyond. > >>RT > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Indians, Persians (and Greeks) all belon

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Actually, it even looks like the Arabs may have invented tablature: look at http://trumpet.sdsu.edu/M345/Arab_Music1.html - apparently quite an excellent site: Here is the bit about tablature: "An early contributor was Ibn al ­ Munajjim (died 912) who left us a description of an established syst

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lain that one off. >Michael Thames >www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >- Original Message - >From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dr. Marion Ceruti" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; &quo

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"Dr. Marion Ceruti" schrieb: > All religions include people who practice contemplation as a lifestyle. that certainly depends on what qualifies as contemplation. Five minutes remembering per day enough? > The Muslims and Jews have kept these practices relatively hidden

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> I am only aware of two major religions in the world that have a monastic > order there is still another, i. e. the Shiite part of the world of Islam, which has quite a few orders (from several very ancient Darwish orders to little extremist orders like Naqshibandy) > the question is simple

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practice various forms of contemplation similar to what goes on in monastaries. Marion -Original Message- From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 24, 2005 11:25 AM To: Lutelist , Mathias Rösel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology Roman and Mat

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"Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" ; "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > >> Not necessarily. Mediterranean basin had its own lutes >very early, way > >> befo

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EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" ; "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > > Most country's and well established cultures have a musi

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AIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > "Roman Turovsky" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> brought back with him the Buddhist traditions of a monastatic order > and compassion, which

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> Most country's and well established cultures have a musical > instrument associated with it... US of A a steel string guitar, Middle > east , the Oud, India a sitar, Germany a 13 course lute, France an 11 > course lute, Italy a 6 course lute, Spain a Spanish guitar, and through the > Gypsy's (

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assicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" ; "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thu

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"Roman Turovsky" schrieb: >> brought back with him the Buddhist traditions of a monastatic order and compassion, which took hold centuries later in Christendom. > I do not recall the Redeemer advocating monasticism, but Mathias will surely > clarify the issue. not exa

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s own lutes very early, way >> before there was any contact with the Far East. >> RT >> >> >> >> >> >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> &

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oman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" ; "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology >

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ore there was any contact with the Far East. RT > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dr. Marion Ceruti" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE

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>> . Michael has made a bit of a treatise on the Chinese lute >- but at >> the same time many on this list have said my "flat back" >isn't a lute. No >> problem there, just approaching etymology from the >front end > The Chinese and Tibetan lutes both have pair shaped bodies with long > necks, with

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- From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 23, 2005 5:21 PM To: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Re: LUTE-etymology Marion, said, . Before anything like an invention can exist, the plan or at

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IL PROTECTED]>; "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" ; "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > > ++In Western music, the emphasis is on harmonic >development, but in >

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>> Just like Marion's lute sonata > Which one? > MC The one you've been threatening to write. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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comes to mind, a total accident. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Re: LUTE-etymology > > It could be an i

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t in the mind of the inventor. This is what precedes the existence of an invention. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 23, 2005 3:32 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Re: LUTE-etymology > > Yes, this is true, Bill. An invention that is about to occu

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-Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 23, 2005 4:11 PM To: LUTE-LIST Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology >> Yes, this is true, Bill. An invention that is about to occur >> frequently happens in more than one place around >> the sam

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>> Yes, this is true, Bill. An invention that is about to occur >> frequently happens in more than one place around >> the same time as the technology, social structure, >> etc. that supports it is ready. > > 'An invention that is about to occur' - it precedes its own existence? Just like Marion's

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> ++In Western music, the emphasis is on harmonic >development, but in >> Eastern music the emphasis is on melodic development > > Yes, but which came first? who influenced who? I'm not a musicologist but > reason would suggest that early Indian ragas set the stage for the oud, > which in turn set

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> > Yes, this is true, Bill. An invention that is about to occur > frequently happens in more than one place around > the same time as the technology, social structure, > etc. that supports it is ready. 'An invention that is about to occur' - it precedes its own existence? --

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Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology i just read an article recently which states that the domestication of pigs happened at several times in human development and in several locations. before, it was thought that pigs became domesticated at one time, in one location and we

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trick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" ; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, Ma

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i just read an article recently which states that the domestication of pigs happened at several times in human development and in several locations. before, it was thought that pigs became domesticated at one time, in one location and were taken with "us" on our migrations. i personally like the

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Mar 23, 2005 10:58 AM To: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, LUTE-LIST , Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology +Our lutes were derived from Arabian lutes, which in turn seem to have been

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s when the quality and brilliance shine through. Like shimmering colors of light on the surface of the oceans depths. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Wednesday, Mar

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>> You can go out of your gourd listening to sitar music :). > Not to mention that Mathias falls asleep listening to overspun bass > strings! yes, that is the habit with us jinns :) when basses don't stop ringing. -- Best wishes, Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information

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ot;Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" ; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > > > -Original Message- > Fr

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Original Message - From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" ; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:4

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ntion that Mathias falls asleep listening to overspun bass strings! Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lutelist" Sent: We

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-Original Message- From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 23, 2005 8:07 AM To: Lutelist Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > ++In Western music, the emphasis is on harmonic development, that has been so from, say, 1600 to 1900. Before that, emphasis was on hor

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> ++In Western music, the emphasis is on harmonic development, that has been so from, say, 1600 to 1900. Before that, emphasis was on horizontal moves. And 20th century witnessed the development of serial music and its further branches in Europe and the Americas. > but in Eastern music the emphas

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-Original Message- From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 23, 2005 6:34 AM To: LUTE-LIST , Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology >. Michael has made a bit of a treatise on the Chinese lut

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t;Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LUTE-LIST" ; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > With many of you I have difficulty finding the "familiar Greek" LEUTIKA as > my Greek dic

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"Jon Murphy" schrieb: > With many of you I have difficulty finding the "familiar Greek" LEUTIKA as > my Greek dictionary uses Greek characters. Is this lambda-epsilon > (eta)-upsilon-tau-iota-kappa-alpha? alpha (spritus asper)- lambda - iota - epsilon - ypsilon - tau -

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rd "ass" meaning one's rear end was originally a euphemism for "arse" in polite company, and now is not proper in polite company unless in the context of a donkey. Best, Jon - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "

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telist' Subject: RE: LUTE-etymology http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=parchment+leather > -Original Message- > From: Doctor Oakroot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:20 AM > To: Lutelist > Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > >

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=parchment+leather > -Original Message- > From: Doctor Oakroot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:20 AM > To: Lutelist > Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > > Well, as a native English speaker, I would

Re: LUTE-etymology

Well, as a native English speaker, I would say "leather" definitely does not include "parchment" (even though they're made from the same raw material). Depending on the speaker, it may not even include "skin" (from a dead animal as opposed to on a living animal) which is another likely lute (in the

Re: LUTE-etymology

>> "FYI", there are no references to leather soundboards. Parchment, yes; > > well, there are. Take a look into good old Oswald Koerte's thesis. He > cites related Arabic authors. And, okay, parchment does not qualify as > leather to you, obviously. To me, it does. As it should, to most people. Or

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> "FYI", there are no references to leather soundboards. Parchment, yes; well, there are. Take a look into good old Oswald Koerte's thesis. He cites related Arabic authors. And, okay, parchment does not qualify as leather to you, obviously. To me, it does. > The word al-'ûd (applied to the lute)

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technically possible to make. Has any luthier tried > to recreate > such an instrument? > > -Original Message- > From: danyel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Mar 22, 2005 1:52 AM > To: Lutelist > Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > > "FYI", there are no

Re: LUTE-etymology

- From: danyel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mar 22, 2005 1:52 AM To: Lutelist Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology "FYI", there are no references to leather soundboards. Parchment, yes; but not on lutes but on the qanbus/qopuz type, quite distinct and in existence parallel to real lutes up unt

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o with wood but is borrowed from M. Persian *rwd* (String, stringed instrument). Best wishes, danyel - Original Message - From: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: LUTE-etymology > > nop

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