Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Tony Chalkley
Dear Stewart, It is the falce and unperfect aspect of modern editions, which make me want to look at facsimiles. I want to get as close as possible to the original text to learn as much as I can about the music. It's an academic thing, I suppose. It is also admirably professional

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Put another way, and taking the gamut of the list which runs from the professional to the rank amateur, how people see the facsimile is going to be very different, and maybe it would not be a bad idea for the publishers (seeing as two of them are on the list) to explain their market (and I

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 07:02 PM 12/5/2003 +0100, Tony Chalkley wrote: maybe it would not be a bad idea for the publishers (seeing as two of them are on the list) to explain their market (and I don't mean by this justify their prices). What a print run on the average facsimile is, who buys it, etc. Justifying the

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
but the distribution scheme in place is comprised of the publishermain distributorsubsidiary distributorsdealers. They all get a cut. The cost per copy is $32.- Applying the rule, the list price should be $224. As you can tell from my on line catalogue, the suggested list price for this

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 04:26 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but the distribution scheme in place is comprised of the publishermain distributorsubsidiary distributorsdealers. They all get a cut. The cost per copy is $32.- Applying the rule, the list price should be $224. As you

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Distributors and dealers get their discounts off the official suggested list price. MO, we are not children here, and we know that this suggested list price is a myth designed to make palatable eventual NICE PRICE!!! 20% OFF!!! label. Moreover, it is determined by marketing research. If the

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
So a publisher that does nothing but facsimiles, like Minkoff for example, is using facsimiles to promotes facsimiles? Madam Minkoff produces NOT facsimilia, BUT replicas of antique books of various sorts, not necessarily with artistic content, for a totally different and much larger market.

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
However the publishers produce facsimiles not to make money. The facsimiles make their OTHER books look trustworthy and sellable. In other words the facsimiles are promotional material to a large degree. RT You do have a way with words, well said !!! Indeed he does. Every demagogue who

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 06:03 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Distributors and dealers get their discounts off the official suggested list price. MO, we are not children here, When I see grown men drawn into silly displays of foolish indulgence in areas they know nothing about for the

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
bothered. But once I started, the only way to limit the costs was to drop the project. The costs were mainly imposed on me by the library. Whopping 2 bottles of cognac RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Thomas Schall
well said! Don't you get tired of that - how do you call it? Dog fights? There is no sense discussing with Mantanya - he is an ignorant person mixing truth and lie at his will. And as a scientist ... better don't try to decrease on his level of discussion. Actually I don't believe TREE for

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 06:21 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather be a professional socialist, than an amateur capitalist I have no idea what is a professional socialist, but I do know something about capitalism. I am glad you acknowledge the fact that I am only an amateur in

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 08:35 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to admit that I don't follow the discussion closely and just by accident jumped into this thread (MO's messages are immediatly deleted) Likewise, a couple of dozen list messages never reached me, so I went to check

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
MO, there is a Paul Revere Trophy for the unsurpassed excellence in e-mail in the snail-mail for you. It is yours to keep forever. We are just non interested anymore. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org I have to admit that I don't follow the

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 09:37 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MO, there is a Paul Revere Trophy for the unsurpassed excellence in e-mail in the snail-mail for you. It is yours to keep forever. We are just non interested anymore. Best news I heard all day! Just keep this non-interest in my

falce and unperfect

2003-12-03 Thread Tony Chalkley
), not to mention a bit falce and unperfect. I therefore need to transcribe them, hopefully without error... Tony

Re: Falce and unperfect: was: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Stewart McCoy
seemed to suggest that the situation wasn't absolutely clear. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: Falce and unperfect

Falce and unperfect: was: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Tony Chalkley
without my knowledge, falce and unperfect ... He was certainly not impressed by people stealing his music for publication. It is thought that Dowland might have had William Barley in mind, who had published a version of Dowland's Lachrimae Pavan in 1596. We know about improper practices

Re: Falce and unperfect: was: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Dr. Gordon J. Callon
To: Lute Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Falce and unperfect: was: Facsimeles etc. Dear Tony, If you wanted, you could probably track down an address for Broude Bros via the Internet. I'm afraid I don't

Re: Falce and unperfect: was: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Tony Chalkley
] To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Falce and unperfect: was: Facsimeles etc. Here are the Broude Bros contacts: Broude Brothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broude Brothers Limited 141 White Oaks Road Williamstown, MA 01267 Dr

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-03 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Tony, It is the falce and unperfect aspect of modern editions, which make me want to look at facsimiles. I want to get as close as possible to the original text to learn as much as I can about the music. It's an academic thing, I suppose. During the recent thread some people have complained