Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

V1.81 Copyright 1991 Microlytics Inc,Xerox V1.0 m - Original Message - From: "Bert Put" To: Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script Hi Brian, Thank you for those hints -- both of those operations does reset the m

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

FWIW, my WP-3 doesn't have a Citizen Watch copyright; just: Copyright 1989 Something Good Inc. V1.81 Copyright 1991 Microlytics Inc,Xerox V1.0 m - Original Message - From: "Bert Put" To: Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 co

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Hi Brian, Thank you for those hints -- both of those operations does reset the machine. All the messages show Copyright 1989: - No copyright version on the Citizen Watch CO. Ltd. line. - (C) Something Good Inc. V1.62 - (C) Microlytics,UFO,Xerox V4.7 Thanks again, much appreciated. Regards,

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Reset pin, even just a tap not a long press, clears ram and shows some version numbers. And I just discovered that Ctrl + F2 + Del appears to do exactly the same! Not only clears the current document and shows the same reset screen with version numbers, it clears ram including your system set

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Hi John, On 11/15/22 15:57, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 12:19 PM Bert Put > wrote: When converting from ASCII to WP-2, I will have to figure out which space character is closest to end of line and replace it with 0x08. Hmm. What happen

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 12:19 PM Bert Put wrote: > > When converting from ASCII to WP-2, I will have to figure out which > space character is closest to end of line and replace it with 0x08. > Hmm. What happens if you don't? That is, what happens if you load a file that just leaves them as space

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Hi John, Oh, the algorithm is pretty clear: the 0x08 character appears instead of the last space, closest to the end of line, typically where line length is 65 characters. When converting from WP-2 to ASCII text, I replace the 0x08 with space, otherwise the words would run together. When c

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Maybe add a scale at the top and see what it looks like? Or get a few lines into a spreadsheet with one hex character per cell. Maybe the pattern is just that it follows the last word that fits on an 80 character line. Maybe you will see something more. -- John.

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Hi John, Re. the 0x08 character -- I'm going to go with "Feature". :-) When I converted from Plain unix file to WP-2 format (inserted a default 128-byte header and converted the hard carriage returns), the resulting .DO file loaded into the WP-2, but all the text ran together, with words spli

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

I don't know if it's a bug or not. I write the raw .DO file straight to the SD card (via the AWESOME NADSbox :-) then transfer it to my linux box for conversion. I convert the 0x08 to space since failing to do that would cause the words to run together. Seems like it's being treated as a sof

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Interesting. Bug or feature? And there are at least two wp2 firmware version. So it may differ. ASCII 8 is backspace. I guess the thing to decide is how to use or not use the character when converting to other formats. If it's just an artifact of how the lines are broken over the display (as opp

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Hello John, (reviving an old email -- and I meant to send this to the group, not John :-) I was looking at some of the .DO files on my WP-2 and I noticed a bunch of 0x08 characters embedded in the text that I think are "soft" carriage returns? It seems like a 0x08 appears each time the WP2

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 11/16/20 8:36 PM, Brian K. White wrote: However now it turns out that the exact cap I had on the RAM card is now out of stock and no longer stocked, so I'm updating that. [...] needing to find a more DIY-friendly diode anyway, the RAM board was already getting another update. I've upda

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 11/17/2020 7:44 PM, Josh Malone wrote: Give it a bit of time - they come up often. I got mine for $40 Yep, I saved the search.  Brian's comment about it not working with PDDuino (I'm tinkering with that code as well) got me interested. Jim

Re: [M100] WP-2

Give it a bit of time - they come up often. I got mine for $40 On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 4:18 PM RETRO Innovations wrote: > > On 11/17/2020 2:23 PM, Bert Put wrote: > > I got mine off of e-bay and there was another unit available from the > > same seller when I picked mine up. The same search que

Re: [M100] WP-2

If I can find it I might have one for ya but it's not banged up, comes with the vinyl cover and memory expansion chip, and I'm looking for U$75 plus shipping from Toronto. Any interest? mike On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 4:18 PM RETRO Innovations wrote: > On 11/17/2020 2:23 PM, Bert Put wrote: > > I

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 11/17/2020 2:23 PM, Bert Put wrote: I got mine off of e-bay and there was another unit available from the same seller when I picked mine up. The same search query showed up other sellers for units that are sufficiently banged-up to match your description, so that's where I would look. I sear

Re: [M100] WP-2

Hi Jim, On 11/17/20 11:20 AM, RETRO Innovations wrote: > On 11/17/2020 8:56 AM, Bert Put wrote: >> Well, you've all done it now... all this talk about a WP-2 and I just >> went and bought one!  Thanks for that LOL LOL LOL > > And it looks like I need to pick one up, for testing.  I hate to depriv

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 11/17/2020 8:56 AM, Bert Put wrote: Well, you've all done it now... all this talk about a WP-2 and I just went and bought one! Thanks for that LOL LOL LOL And it looks like I need to pick one up, for testing.  I hate to deprive someone a nice collector/user quality unit, so if folks are aw

Re: [M100] WP-2

Well, you've all done it now... all this talk about a WP-2 and I just went and bought one! Thanks for that LOL LOL LOL I like the 80x8 screen and I highly doubt my typing speed or style will be any problem for it. I cannot get anywhere near the 80 wpm that other folks have reported problems at.

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 11/16/20 8:36 PM, Brian K. White wrote: On 11/15/20 9:29 PM, Brian K. White wrote: On 10/15/20 10:13 AM, Josh Malone wrote: That sounds awesome, Brian! I'm excited to build one of these once the PCB is ready. The RAM version is now verified. FINALLY The ROM version is not verified yet.

Re: [M100] WP-2

On Nov 16, 2020, at 8:56 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > Never even crossed my mind that managed IL byte code would be architecture > dependent at all. It sounds counterintuitive to me, too. I'll try validating the assertion up-thread that there might be an arch dependency, as I have a Mac on h

Re: [M100] WP-2

Never even crossed my mind that managed IL byte code would be architecture dependent at all. -- John.

Re: [M100] WP-2

On Nov 16, 2020, at 6:57 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > If it's useful to have 64-bit version I could recompile it. I didn't know > there was an issue. If you're not a Mac user you are probably not aware that both the current and prior version of the OS dropped all 32 bit executable support, w

Re: [M100] WP-2

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:07 AM The CopyPenguin wrote: > > It works just fine both ways with LaddieAlpha on my Mac, though that only > works on MacOS versions that support 32-bit apps. There doesn’t appear to > be support for Catalina or Big Sur. > > If it's useful to have 64-bit version I coul

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 11/15/20 9:29 PM, Brian K. White wrote: On 10/15/20 10:13 AM, Josh Malone wrote: That sounds awesome, Brian! I'm excited to build one of these once the PCB is ready. The RAM version is now verified. FINALLY The ROM version is not verified yet. ...aaand I just found my problem with the RO

Re: [M100] WP-2

Thanks Jim for your help! And Andy, C Margaret et al! Biggest detractions for me is that I am kind of “rolling chord” typer as well perhaps (ha!), and file format concerns. Still, the form factor is so nice! I have both the Neo and the Model T (though I admit, I still haven't got the transfers d

Re: [M100] WP-2

> -Original Message- > The 2430 cells are not hard to find. > Just type CR2430 into amazon or google and they are available new and > cheap. You by a card of 5 or 6, install one, stick another in the pocket > in the slip case, and you're set for "ever". I don't know why everyone > makes suc

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 11/16/20 2:07 PM, The CopyPenguin wrote: It works just fine both ways with LaddieAlpha on my Mac, Given that John H. wrote Laddie and I know he added specific WP-2 support to dlplus, I am not surprised Laddie supports WP-2 fully. dlplus works too (thanks John). I haven't actually tried i

Re: [M100] WP-2

at 11:18, Jim Anderson wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Nick >> Shaner >> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 21:18 >> To: m...@bitchin100.com >> Cc: M100 List >> Subject: Re: [M100]

Re: [M100] WP-2

> -Original Message- > I’ve had no issues with the WP-2 not keeping up when I type, except when > inserting text, and that is easily overcome by inserting a CR so that > insertions are at the end of a line not the middle - then SHIFT-DEL to > close the space back up afterwards. Heh, yeah,

Re: [M100] WP-2

> -Original Message- > From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Nick > Shaner > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 21:18 > To: m...@bitchin100.com > Cc: M100 List > Subject: Re: [M100] WP-2 > > CAUTION External Sender: Do not click links

Re: [M100] WP-2

I have an M100, 102 and WP-2, and their keyboards rank in that order for me. The M100 is firm and ‘clicky’, the 102 slightly softer with a slightly greater degree of resistance, and the WP-2 is firmer, more resistive, and a bit vague. Not the same keyboards at all, though the WP-2 has become my

Re: [M100] WP-2

thanks everyone! all best, Nick > On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:40 AM, C.Magaret wrote: > > I repeatedly had issues with the WP-2 keyboards inserting ghost characters > when typing relatively fast (appx. 80wpm or faster). I really wanted it to > work as a portable writing tablet, but that issue wa

Re: [M100] WP-2

I repeatedly had issues with the WP-2 keyboards inserting ghost characters when typing relatively fast (appx. 80wpm or faster). I really wanted it to work as a portable writing tablet, but that issue was a deal-breaker for me. I tend to use an Alphasmart Neo for this nowadays, which is comple

Re: [M100] WP-2

Agree.  And as an occasional writer, I seem to recall that the processing of the text on the screen at times doesn't keep up with the keystrokes. That said, it is a nifty little device for what it is. On Monday, November 16, 2020, 08:43:39 AM EST, Josh Malone wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 202

Re: [M100] WP-2

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 1:21 AM Brian K. White wrote: > > On 11/16/20 12:18 AM, Nick Shaner wrote: > > any report on keyboard quality versus the model t? I really appreciate this > > timely thread because I've been looking at the WP-2 of late. > I'm not a typist so I can only say it isn't excepti

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 11/16/20 12:18 AM, Nick Shaner wrote: any report on keyboard quality versus the model t? I really appreciate this timely thread because I've been looking at the WP-2 of late. I'm not a typist so I can only say it isn't exceptionally bad in some way. There's a few youtube videos that review i

Re: [M100] WP-2

any report on keyboard quality versus the model t? I really appreciate this timely thread because I've been looking at the WP-2 of late. All best, Nick > On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Brian K. White wrote: > >> On 10/15/20 10:13 AM, Josh Malone wrote: >> That sounds awesome, Brian! I'm excit

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 10/15/20 10:13 AM, Josh Malone wrote: That sounds awesome, Brian! I'm excited to build one of these once the PCB is ready. The RAM version is now verified. FINALLY The ROM version is not verified yet. I think I may actually just have a bad chip or a bad solder on this first one I just buil

Re: [M100] WP-2

Great work Brian, Looking at the photos makes me wonder if something like this would be possible for the 8201A as a 3rd bank 32k expansion slot. With the size of components being drastically smaller, And internal plug in might be possible. Just a thought. I don't own a WP-2 but I am familiar w

Re: [M100] WP-2

On 10/15/20 10:13 AM, Josh Malone wrote: That sounds awesome, Brian! I'm excited to build one of these once the PCB is ready. Is the flash version able to be written by the WP-2? Or is this just for running z80 programs on the WP-2 which you flash externally? -Josh On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:45

Re: [M100] WP-2

Sadly, no the WP-2 can't write to the flash. The flash will just behave as a rom. And I have no idea as yet what might go ON such a rom card. Just "whatever once came on rom cards originally", of which I don't even know of any yet. Maybe they never actually made any? It will be writable with a TL

Re: [M100] WP-2

Hey I have an Amstrad NC100, I believe they are very similar to the WP-1. With the except that the NC100, uses a form of Protext as it's built in word-processor. My understanding is those flash cards if left in had a habit of eating the batteries. If you figure out a way around that, do share. I

Re: [M100] WP-2

That sounds awesome, Brian! I'm excited to build one of these once the PCB is ready. Is the flash version able to be written by the WP-2? Or is this just for running z80 programs on the WP-2 which you flash externally? -Josh On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:45 AM Brian White wrote: > > The last piece

Re: [M100] WP-2

The last piece I as waiting for came in today and the ram card works both mechanically and functionally. Based on what I learned today I have some final cleanup and updates to do, so don't actually order any of the boards currently on github. (I'm leaving the note at the top saying "do not use yet

Re: [M100] WP-2

I'm working on a diy expansion card you'll be able to make yourself. It's not ready yet but getting close. I'm currently waiting for my latest pcb version to come in, and a better type of pin header. The latest version 3d-printed part has come in and it checks out. http://github.com/bkw777/WP-2_

Re: [M100] WP-2

:49 PM To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com Subject: [M100] WP-2 Hi All, I purchased a wp-2 off of ebay. One of the nice things about buying a wp-2, is you can justify the use of space, by just telling yourself.. All I have to do, is get rid of one hard back book! =) Assuming a

Re: [M100] WP-2

The manual is available online. Go on archive.org and search "tandy wp-2" You can stick a regular 2032 in the coin cell holder. It's smaller but you can just fill the space with tape or folded paper to hold it from moving around. At the power-on / reset "file name:" prompt, just type "junk" or "t

Re: [M100] WP-2

D. I also just bought a WP-2 a couple of weeks ago off eBay as well.  For the battery, I ordered the correct ones (buy lots since like the 100 it is how the ram is saved, but I later found out any 3v coin cell will work. If its smaller just add some cardboard to fill the space.  As for the extra in

[M100] WP-2

Hi All, I purchased a wp-2 off of ebay. One of the nice things about buying a wp-2, is you can justify the use of space, by just telling yourself.. All I have to do, is get rid of one hard back book! =) Assuming a sympathetic audience on the 100 mailing list I have some questions, I'v

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 19:43:32 -0500 Anthony Coghlan wrote: > Not sure what type > of memory cards were used - looks too small to be PCMCIA. Some proprietary old card standard that never caught on. They do apparently show up occasionally on eBay but they're way over-priced because "rare". :-( Will

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:43 PM Anthony Coghlan wrote: > John, you were right... The screen flashing was just due to a low > (actually, none installed) backup battery. The WP-2 arrived today and is > in practically pristine cosmetic shape and seemingly perfect working order > - a lucky find for

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

John, you were right... The screen flashing was just due to a low (actually, none installed) backup battery. The WP-2 arrived today and is in practically pristine cosmetic shape and seemingly perfect working order - a lucky find for a very reasonable price. I will want to upgrade the RAM, but th

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

> -Original Message- > > I don’t mind the “stiffness” of the WP-2 keyboard, but I can’t stand the > “ghosting characters” issue.  I’ve been through about four different WP- > 2s, and all of them would randomly insert characters when I was > typing.  Absolutely inexcusable for a dedicated w

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 1:52 PM C.Magaret wrote: > I don’t mind the “stiffness” of the WP-2 keyboard, but I can’t stand the > “ghosting characters” issue. I’ve been through about four different WP-2s, > and all of them would randomly insert characters when I was typing. > Absolutely inexcusable

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

I don’t mind the “stiffness” of the WP-2 keyboard, but I can’t stand the “ghosting characters” issue. I’ve been through about four different WP-2s, and all of them would randomly insert characters when I was typing. Absolutely inexcusable for a dedicated word processor. Cam > On Jan 30, 20

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 1:22 PM Anthony Coghlan Thanks, John - I see a brief mention of that in the service manual also. > I’ll take a chance on hopefully that being the case, or something else > relatively easy to debug and fix. > > Convincing my wife of the wisdom of my decision or the need for “y

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

Thanks, John - I see a brief mention of that in the service manual also. I’ll take a chance on hopefully that being the case, or something else relatively easy to debug and fix. Convincing my wife of the wisdom of my decision or the need for “yet another vintage gadget” might end up being the more

Re: [M100] WP-2 screen issue

I think it flashes the screen when the backup battery is low. -- John. On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 11:01 AM Anthony Coghlan Hope everyone is well. Even while I’m trying to reduce my Model 100 > collection, various WP-2 related things lately have made me think about > that machine... Almost ready to

[M100] WP-2 screen issue

Hope everyone is well. Even while I’m trying to reduce my Model 100 collection, various WP-2 related things lately have made me think about that machine... Almost ready to spring for one on eBay if no one beats me to it, but it’s got a “pulsing screen” issue that I’d need to fix. What could make

Re: [M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Cool! I don't know if you're aware but I did some reverse engineering of the WP-2 file format. http://bitchin100.com/files/wp2/wp2format.html BTW, what disk service are you using? -- John.

[M100] WP-2 and WP-3 conversion script

Hello all I've just wrote a small script for converting from the WP-2 and WP3 ".DO" format into conventional ASCII. Its very 'dumb' at the moment, largely because my files always avoided the special characters on the WP-3, so making it 'smarter' wouldn't serve a purpose for me. Those famil