Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-18 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
HI. you’ve made some really good points. I do think there are small improvements being made though. Granted it’s slower than we would like it to be, but consider the latest bug that was fixed which is voice over not reading Emergy I think perhaps the bug with vo j is going to be one of

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-18 Thread Scott B.
Yup sure have Dave. On 12/17/2013 19:18, David Tanner wrote: Oh, you forgot how many times FS will deny that they are aware of a problem with their software to the bitter end regardless how many times you prove it to them. Anyone ever experience the famous Jaws remark focus lost? Sent

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-18 Thread Mario Navarro
hi jonathan. okay. the solution for the apple to be more aware and give more importance and feel themselves obliged to do more and better for us blind community would have to undergo another kind of we take strong and effective steps. I thought I'd create a petition stating the apple of our

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread Jonathan Mosen
I do wonder if someone critical to do with Apple Accessibility has left or been moved elsewhere. There are ongoing issues not just with Mavericks, but with iOS 7 as well, and while all software has bugs, some of these issues are quite significant in terms of productivity. I still think on

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread Buddy Brannan
BTW, for those who think that Tim Cook just doesn’t give two s**ts about accessibility, this is probably well worn a view. Be cynical and say it’s just Tim spewing a line or whatever you like, but I kind of don’t get that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNEafGCf-kw -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV -

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, alll, I wasn't going to post to this thread, but I've been thinking about this issue of accessibility. When I decided to switch to a Mac, I knew I had to consider the fact that buying a product off the shelf was going to mean risking some accessibility features. Maybe mainstream

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread CHUCK REICHEL
Hi Teresa, I agree with you! :) Most of peoples problems are located in the chair ;) I make a living every day on a mac pro running pro tools and never stop studying PT the mac Os. To sum it up don't sing the blues if you haven't paid the dues! :) Make sure its a bug before you report it then

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi, I think we sometimes romanticize the idea that things were fabulous when we used a screen reader that was developed by a company that specializes in screen reading. Don’t get me wrong, I very much appreciate what the screen reader companies have done for accessibility. At the same time, I

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Ring
I’m about to really annoy the moderators but, thanks Teresa for such a well-reasoned post. One thing to keep in mind is, Freedom Scientific doesn’t design computers, nor do they design operating systems. They design a screen reader that supports an operating system whose developers aren’t all

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread Michael Marshall
i must say that i’m happy with the update. wickypeedia reads good with VO witch is what i really wanted them to fix. On 18 Dec 2013, at 7:33 am, CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Teresa, I agree with you! :) Most of peoples problems are located in the chair ;) I make a

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread David Tanner
Oh, you forgot how many times FS will deny that they are aware of a problem with their software to the bitter end regardless how many times you prove it to them. Anyone ever experience the famous Jaws remark focus lost? Sent from my accessible iPhone On Dec 17, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Richard

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread Mario Navarro
hi ,jonathan. jonathan do not need to respond to this post, but let me tell you one thing friend. this is why I admire you and consider you the smartest blind in the world you have an open mind, and think with a universal philosophy. and still respect you more because you did not fear anything

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-17 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Mario, thanks for the very kind words...We are fortunate to have plenty of thoughtful people on the list who've made some great contributions. In response to what you've said, and the contributions of a few others today, I'd make the following points. Apple is a mainstream company, but by

10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-16 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi all, well after waiting patiently for the 10.9.1 update, it seems quite disappointing to the extent that I even went into About this Mac to make sure I was really running the update. In Mil, the number of messages in a conversation is still spoken last, meaning if you have preview turned

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-16 Thread John D. Lipsey
I second Jonathan's opinion, at least with regards to the mail messages in conversation issue. Also, I was hoping they would fix this VO not speaking when you wake up the mac issue. Sadly, this remains for me. Unfortunately, all of those messages about dealing with that were posted before I

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-16 Thread Jessica D
Command f5 does it. Add fn to the combo if you have not checked the use all f1 f2 f3 etc as standard function keys. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2013, at 7:24 PM, John D. Lipsey johnl1...@gmail.com wrote: I second Jonathan's opinion, at least with regards to the mail messages in

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-16 Thread Terje Strømberg
I just want to say that in Mountain Lion the iMac 2012 have no problem with Voice Over in regards of waking up from sleep. I said earlier that i had to hit command + f5 and i did so, but it was because i turned off Voice Over before i set iMac in hibernation every time i myself went to sleep. I

Re: 10.9.1 Disappointing

2013-12-16 Thread Mario Navarro
yes jonathan you're right. What a big disappointment. most errors were not corrected. a month and a few days waiting for good news, and at the end of waiting apple's accessibility team gives us a handful of nothing. I am completely disappointed with apple. apple is worse than freedoms. god what