2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
So, I can see this way of implementing this:
- give optification scripts to SDK developers and ask them to prepare
Debian devkit for Fremantle with patched dpkg-buildpackage as fast as
possible.
Hi,
a little update on this:
The GeoLocation API is in general available in mozilla, but there is no
specific back-end implemented in Maemo yet to use it.
There is now a browser extension, which implements the back-end
implementation for the GeoLocation API in extras-devel. It is called
ext Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs writes:
Yes, there is definitely a sense of throwing out the baby with the bathwater
here - as is, with a sufficiently mature app, NOT applying simple fixes will
get
the app to the user quicker, and applying the fixes will keep the app AWAY
from
the
Ed wrote:
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
Would maemo-optify be part of that devkit as well, or would it be in the
rootstrap?
I prefer to leave maemo-optify in the rootstrap: that way, we can update
it much easier, which is quite important at this stage.
2009/11/2 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org:
Ed wrote:
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
Would maemo-optify be part of that devkit as well, or would it be in the
rootstrap?
I prefer to leave maemo-optify in the rootstrap: that way, we can update
it much easier, which is
2009/11/2 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com:
On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:05, Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/1 Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs:
On Sunday 01 November 2009 07:46:55 you wrote:
So, you propose to have one more queue, which would use only SDK? Or
only Extras? or both? Sorry, your
Thanks Quim for your explanation.
I am waiting impatient the release, I have a lot of interest in some drivers.
Regards, Adrian.
2009/11/2 Quim Gil quim@nokia.com:
Hi Adrián,
ext Adrián Yanes wrote:
Hi, I was checking the kernel's source realease with Maemo 5 (
linux-2.6.28 ),
ext Ville Reijonen wrote:
Is the approval/karma process going to be actually a popularity contest?
Popular titles get votes fast, a niche software will not. Unless there
is regular testing marathons, I think this will be an issue.
I believe this problem will be solved as soon as we have
ext Adrián Yanes wrote:
Thanks Quim for your explanation.
I am waiting impatient the release, I have a lot of interest in some drivers.
Could it be that they are already contributed to OMAP kernel? I believe
we are more or less up to date with Maemo 5 kernel contributions.
--
Quim Gil
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes:
Then Application Manager has to change. It does not scale to have
categories when there are thousands of apps.
Yes, this is overdue. We also need a way to handle application specific
add-ons, like language packs.
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:47, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote:
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes:
Then Application Manager has to change. It does not scale to have
categories when there are thousands of apps.
Yes, this is overdue. We also need a way to
ext Pauli Virtanen p...@iki.fi writes:
A separate tree of categories could be useful. Though maybe it would be
better to name it 'expert/*', and warn in the UI that these are expert
tools that really may require expertise to use properly or safely.
What would it take to have the application
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:51:25 +
Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:47, Marius Vollmer
marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote:
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes:
Then Application Manager has to change. It does not scale to have
categories when
Hi,
ext Andrew Flegg wrote:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:47, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote:
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes:
Then Application Manager has to change. It does not scale to have
categories when there are thousands of apps.
Yes, this is
Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:20:41 +0200, Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009, Andrew Flegg wrote:
Then there's no benefit to having them visible in HAM. The tool which
started this discussion, socat, could easily be installed by someone
doing `apt-get install socat' as root.
Do you know that
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
OK, we can make dependency from dpkb-buildpackage to maemo-optify not
so strict. If maemo-optify is present it will be called from
dpkg-buildpackage. With this approach we can put maemo-optify into
rootstrap.
Ok, I'll make it like that, then.
BTW,
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
OK, we can make dependency from dpkb-buildpackage to maemo-optify not
so strict. If maemo-optify is present it will be called from
dpkg-buildpackage. With this approach we can put maemo-optify into
Hello,
Nathan Anderson wrote:
I started a project on the Garage, I added a senior developer to the
project. He is attempting to check something in and it gives him one of two
problems.
If he uses a incorrect user/pw but then it will reprompt; but if he uses his
Garage account it spits
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
Right way to do it is to include it into SDK rootstrap. Other ways I
can think of look hackish.
(I think this is a good example of what is wrong with Maemo: normally,
we would just upload a patched dpkg and be done with it. Now we have to
muck around
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
Right way to do it is to include it into SDK rootstrap. Other ways I
can think of look hackish.
(I think this is a good example of what is wrong with Maemo: normally,
we would just upload a patched
Hi,
Some people are complaining that Xournal does not intercept Volume
Up/Down to actually zoom in/out
a note.
(I will make it configurable, but I want to discuss this a bit).
I believe that, by default, those key should be left to where they
belong, Volume settings.
Indeed, that's also the
ext Jeremiah Foster wrote:
On Nov 1, 2009, at 11:02, Henrik Hedberg wrote:
Martin Grimme wrote:
resetting Karma on a new version leads to one very bad issue, IMHO:
Developers of packages with some Karma will hold back bugfix-updates
until the unfixed version has reached extras.
Yup,
surely the system needs to be fixed.
I have some ideas, I don't like some of the ones already proposed, and
of some of them I do like some pieces, but not others and other pieces
could be improved..
But how do we do it ?
Here?
Talk?
Brainstorm?
I once stated that it's the developer that
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 15:03, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote:
But how do we do it ?
Here?
Talk?
Brainstorm?
I'd say we've had more intelligent thought and discussion here than
I'd expect on this topic on talk; and I don't think the
single-threaded nature of brainstorm with the
ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes:
On Thursday 29 October 2009 11:12:45 Marius Vollmer wrote:
ext Alberto Mardegan ma...@users.sourceforge.net writes:
b) A control file field makes the most sense to
control the build process.
Agreed.
I think dedicated files in debian/
Aniello Del Sorbo ha scritto:
As Henry did with Mauku, I am doing the same for Xournal. I want it to
extras and then I will release a stupid minor bug fix.
And nothing will make me change my idea.
If there was a button promote to Extras I would have hit it already
and a bug fix would already
hey,
i am considering how to optify liqbase and its components.
the issue I have is I don't want all the apps to need to change and do not
want 100s of symlinks and added complexity when only 1 is needed.
assuming the following packages:
libliqbase
liqflow
liqtorch
liqcalendar
onedotzero
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
ext Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes:
On Thursday 29 October 2009 11:12:45 Marius Vollmer wrote:
ext Alberto Mardegan ma...@users.sourceforge.net writes:
b) A control file field makes the most sense to
control the build process.
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
Please, use dpkg-buildpackage from the current devkit:
http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/stable/src/scratchbox-devkit-debian-1.0.10.tar.gz
Thjanks for the pointer. I guess I need a special 'host' Scratchbox
target to build this sucker,
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
That's the plan so far. autobuilder calls dpkg-buildpackage without
checkiing anything, like it already does.
Yes, and the modified dpkg-buildpackage would always call
maemo-optify-deb --auto without checking anything (except whether
maemo-optify-deb
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 15:42, Gary Birkett liq...@gmail.com wrote:
i am considering how to optify liqbase and its components.
the issue I have is I don't want all the apps to need to change and do
not want 100s of symlinks and added complexity when only 1 is needed.
[snip]
everything I
ext Gary Birkett liq...@gmail.com writes:
/usr/share/liqbase/*
/usr/share/liqbase/libliqbase/*
/usr/share/liqbase/liqflow/*
/usr/share/liqbase/liqtorch/*
/usr/share/liqbase/liqcalendar/*
/usr/share/liqbase/*/*
[...]
should I just go with the normal splash 100s of optify symlinks?
I
[ Jussi, we would like to get a new debian-etch devkit for Maemo 5 with
the attached patch. Please advise how to best go about this.
]
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
I can also help with building devkit if needed.
I didn't manage to get the devkit to compile (I didn't see a way to
I really like Marius' ideas. A mature, high-karma app should be able to push
bugfixes through the system without all the QA hassles of a new, untested
app. Security fixes on high-karma apps should go straight to extras.
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote:
I'd say
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
[ Jussi, we would like to get a new debian-etch devkit for Maemo 5 with
the attached patch. Please advise how to best go about this.
]
ext Ed Bartosh bart...@gmail.com writes:
I can also help with building devkit if needed.
I didn't
Alan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote:
I'd say we've had more intelligent thought and discussion here than
I'd expect on this topic on talk
Grrr!
I hate that kind of talk. It only makes the problem worse.
What problem? This mailing list has a
Your reply continues to sound like the middle class moms who argue for
private schools. How will our children ever get ahead if they go to that
school down the street? It is full of common children who will only slow our
gifted children down.
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Andrew Flegg
On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 06:47 +0100, Benoît HERVIER wrote:
Are you all kidding ? seriously ?
The bug Way too geeky to present to most users should, IMHO be an
'extras user/*' criteria.
I am serious.
For goodness sake didn't you spot that the device ships with a
Facebook applet? If the device
On Nov 2, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Qole wrote:
Your reply continues to sound like the middle class moms who argue
for private schools. How will our children ever get ahead if they go
to that school down the street? It is full of common children who
will only slow our gifted children down.
Hi,
But the time should be better split. The basic feedback I got from busy
Nokia employees with devices, professional experience and willingness to
help is that the thumbs up/down should be applied to each QA criteria.
Yap, this I suggested. Good that this is verified. So, it should be
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote:
Alan wrote:
Grrr!
I hate that kind of talk. It only makes the problem worse.
What problem? This mailing list has a higher concentration of
involved (and affected)
Gary Birkett wrote:
this should with 1 symlink or hardlink and will cure all liqbase /opt
situations:
/usr/share/liqbase/*
Why do you need that symlink at all? If you put all your application
data into /opt/liqbase (and subdirectories) and you have the control,
then all paths can
Thanks to Nokia for the great input, this works VERY well :-) (!!!)
I will shortly post an update of maeMaps on tmo including this function.
Can you explain it to me how it works in terms of accuracy? My first queries
only gave me a result in the center of Zurich, over 100 km off my current
On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:27, Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com:
On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:05, Ed Bartosh wrote:
Idea of having separate queue for Extras updates sounds more
promising
to me. Developers might become confused with all this set of
On Nov 2, 2009, at 15:42, Riku Voipio wrote:
ext Jeremiah Foster wrote:
On Nov 1, 2009, at 11:02, Henrik Hedberg wrote:
Martin Grimme wrote:
resetting Karma on a new version leads to one very bad issue, IMHO:
Developers of packages with some Karma will hold back bugfix-
updates
On Nov 2, 2009, at 21:17, David Greaves wrote:
If the device is to succeed then even people who
believe horoscopes must be comfortable using it!
You must be a taurus . . .
Accidentally presenting them with a network sniffer application is,
IMHO, a user experience bug.
Does we need to
On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:27, Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com:
On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:05, Ed Bartosh wrote:
Idea of having separate queue for Extras updates sounds more
promising
to me. Developers might become confused with all this set of
On Monday 02 November 2009 12:16:57 Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com:
The buildbot would need to run apt-get install maemo-optify at the
right time. Any idea of how to do that?
Right way to do it is to include it into SDK rootstrap. Other ways I
can
On Monday 02 November 2009 11:28:04 Eero Tamminen wrote:
I don't understand why CLI tools need any specific section.
That just makes porting (re-compiling) them from Debian more hassle.
The value of being able to install them from AM GUI in addition to using
apt-get install on command line
On Monday 02 November 2009 21:52:48 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:27, Ed Bartosh wrote:
2009/11/2 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com:
On Nov 1, 2009, at 18:05, Ed Bartosh wrote:
Idea of having separate queue for Extras updates sounds more
promising
to me.
A bit short on time, so could not reply to many good posts, but would not like
to drop out of the discussion...
On Monday 02 November 2009 23:24:12 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
Attila was asking us to solve problem with updates. And he proposed
good solution. Shell we implement it right now or
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 00:02:31 Graham Cobb wrote:
Sorry if everyone else understands this but I don't.
We have two (in my particular case slightly related) problems.
1) The fact that something builds in the pristine final SDK does not guarantee
that it will go through the autobuilder (as
Hi,
I just tried to promote milkyway-wallpaper from fremantle extras-devel
to extras-testing, so just clicked armel pkg link at maemo.org/packages,
but got the following error.
Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in
Hi,
have a look at the liblocation API documentation [1]. If it doesn't have
a GPS fix yet, then it takes other methods into account to calculate
your position. In the documentation is the accuracy given. Have you used
a SIM-card in the device?
1.
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