Re: [Mageia-dev] Teamviewer and X86_64 build . . .

2011-11-29 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 29.11.2011 14:17, schrieb Thomas Backlund: Robert Fox skrev 29.11.2011 13:24: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 12:20 +0100, nicolas vigier wrote: You are free to try to help teamviewer fix their package to make it work on Mageia, you can already do it now, there's no need to have a voting system to con

Re: [Mageia-dev] "Hear, hear" usage

2012-01-13 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 13.01.2012 09:01, schrieb Oliver Burger: Am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2012, 22:43:54 schrieb Florian Hubold: On 01/12/2012 04:17 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote: As far as I understand, that is a common British thing to do when one agree with the current speaker. Well, directly translating this phra

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 19.09.2012 09:40, schrieb Anne Nicolas: Hi there So here is the discussion about what isos we should keep or have for final release. We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we need to take some decisions. Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments and r

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

2012-09-19 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 19.09.2012 16:53, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2012/9/19 Romain d'Alverny: 2012/9/19 Pascal Terjan: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Is that necessary? Instead you could have a checkbox "install optional proprietary software" in the installer. This allows for example

Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?

2010-09-30 Thread Thorsten van Lil
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org [mailto:mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org] Im Auftrag von Wolfgang Bornath >2010/9/30 atilla ontas : >> >> Why we' re talking about a survey? Do we need this? We are not a >> company and think about customer happiness. I thought th

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-09-30 Thread Thorsten van Lil
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org [mailto:mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org] Im Auftrag von Graham Lauder Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. September 2010 13:21 An: Mageia development mailing-list Betreff: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets >A mistake that is often ma

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-09-30 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Von: mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org [mailto:mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org] Im Auftrag von Gustavo Giampaoli > Every distro, with the > right packages, can be whatever the user whants it to be. >From a logical point of you, your right. But people aren't logical. Ship a distribution with a backgr

Re: [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases

2010-10-25 Thread Thorsten van Lil
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org [mailto:mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org] Im Auftrag von atilla ontas > I propose to implement an Ubuntu like, install time or in live > enviroment language packs installing. How this should work? > > What do you think? As I insta

Re: [Mageia-dev] Suggestion-Locales management for One (or Live) Cd releases

2010-10-25 Thread Thorsten van Lil
>2010/10/25 Thorsten van Lil : >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> Von: mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org [mailto:mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org] Im >> Auftrag von atilla ontas >> >>> I propose to implement an Ubuntu like, install time or in live >>> e

Re: [Mageia-dev] mageia sound tasks

2010-12-20 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 20.12.2010 10:54, schrieb SaschaS: I just added a discussion to the forum and will alter and update the content later this day see: http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio regards, saschas I'm sorry that I didn't follow the whole thread, but why did you add the disc

Re: [Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting

2011-01-26 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 26.01.2011 16:35, schrieb Marcello Anni: As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all announcements) this Alpha 1 is - NOT a stable release - NOT for the average user, it's a developper release - NOT ready for everyday use -- wobo in fact, a livecd version allow to ke

Re: [Mageia-dev] Errata page

2011-02-17 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 17.02.2011 08:24, schrieb Oliver Burger: When adding things to the errata page at http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:alpha1_errata wouldn't it be good to add a link to the bug report in question? I was just searching for the bugreport about the broken theme because I'd like to add so

Re: [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?

2011-02-22 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 22.02.2011 09:07, schrieb Buchan Milne: The user will still *always* be able to decide what he wants. The question is, what to do for users who don't know what to decide. IMHO, for a first time user, it is *much* better to give them a "Use available space, with growable filesystems" or simi

Re: [Mageia-dev] Packages cannot be searched in MCC

2011-03-15 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 15.03.2011 17:10, schrieb Thomas Spuhler: When searching for a package in MCC none shows. https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=search You are not the first one, that discovered this bug ;) As a workaround, you can

Re: [Mageia-dev] Grub version

2011-03-21 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 21.03.2011 14:47, schrieb Stefano Negro: I am trying to install mageia on the same disk of ubuntu and I wonder why they have a different version on grub. I have seen version 1 in mageia and 2 in ubuntu. If i's the only option to configure manually the grub of ubuntu to point to the kernel of m

Re: [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

2011-03-24 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 24.03.2011 09:57, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/3/24 Ahmad Samir: On 24 March 2011 02:58, Dexter Morgan wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote: Has the Free DVD in Mandriva ever contained non-free firmware? No, but the question is more , will we provide a "non free"

Re: [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

2011-03-24 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 24.03.2011 11:53, schrieb Michael Scherer: Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 11:15 +0100, Thorsten van Lil a écrit : What about a DVD including non-free packages but has the option to not install them? I think the majority of the users don't care that much about proprietary issues, they just need

Re: [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

2011-03-25 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 25.03.2011 09:23, schrieb Buchan Milne: Maybe for you. Maybe for me. But, the*real* question is, would this discourage some of our target market from using our distribution. IOW, we*must* get community input (after documenting some proposals). Maybe we should postpone this question. Let

Re: [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)

2011-03-25 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 25.03.2011 14:06, schrieb Tux99: At this point I don't think there is any chance that TDE ever goes into the Mageia repos, given the attitudes I have faced here. I don't see why. Just let me summarize the whole discussion from my point of view: There are (at least) 2 users how would be ha

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mageia-theme-1.5.0.5-1.mga1

2011-03-31 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 31.03.2011 12:36, schrieb Donald Stewart: Which background images were updated? Donald. This should be the new plymouth theme and the modified images for gfxboot and plymouth (both without the alpha label). http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/theme/mageia-gfxboot-theme/trunk/data-install/back

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release mageia-theme-1.5.0.5-1.mga1

2011-03-31 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 31.03.2011 13:03, schrieb Colin Guthrie: I wonder if I'm the only one who just wants to see a very dark blue background with the pot in the middle of the screen in an etched out style (e.g. reverse drop shadow) with the bubbles animated above it as it boots. I think we should stay with the c

Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re: Live CDs needed - disperate magician

2011-04-19 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 19.04.2011 11:10, schrieb marcello.a...@alice.it: i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue. Maybe the image is corrupt? Have you ch

Re: [Mageia-dev] REBUILD REQUEST : drakx-net

2011-05-26 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 24.05.2011 11:02, schrieb Anne nicolas: 2011/5/24 Oliver Burger: For fixing a rather strange German translation (already fixed in svn), please rebuild drakx-net before build of final ISOs. I cannot see any changes since last release... But there is one. Commit by me on 18th May, which is

Re: [Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?

2011-06-10 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 10.06.2011 16:09, schrieb James Kerr: On 10/06/11 13:54, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 à 14:21 +0200, Oliver Burger a écrit : Thomas Backlund schrieb am 10.06.2011 So the path would then be */updates_testing -> */updates _if_ we decide that's the way to go... As I see it,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-13 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am Sonntag, 12. Juni 2011, 22:46:33 schrieb Michael Scherer: > Proposal 1: > 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle > ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva < 2010.1 && Mandriva != 2006.0 ) > > Proposal 2: > 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cycle > ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mage

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-13 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am Sonntag, 12. Juni 2011, 22:46:33 schrieb Michael Scherer: > Proposal 1: > 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle > ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva < 2010.1 && Mandriva != 2006.0 ) > > Proposal 2: > 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cycle > ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mage

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-13 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011, 23:28:04 schrieb Renaud MICHEL: > On lundi 13 juin 2011 at 23:06, Thorsten van Lil wrote : > > A rolling release has following advantages: > > 1. the distribution is always up to date (also hardware support) > > 2. no re-install over and over again &g

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 14.06.2011 08:48, schrieb Oliver Burger: Thorsten van Lil schrieb am 14.06.2011 > An Upgrade is nearly the same, than reinstalling. The difference is > only, that you can use your system in the mean time and you are > not forced to install the missing packages. And you keep

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 14.06.2011 15:43, schrieb Michael Scherer: Yes, but Backports are not officially supported and we wouldn't advice new users > to backports normally. I am sorry, but I fail to follow your reasoning. What I meant is: We can't tell the user to use the backports and if he runs in trouble we l

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 14.06.2011 17:02, schrieb Anne nicolas: I do not understand what people are saying about backports being "unsupported". IMHO we should either have backports that are supported, with fixes for security issues and important bugs, or no backports. I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did pro

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011-06-14 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011, 19:33:00 schrieb Jehan Pagès: > So basically what people call a "light" rolling release in this thread > is a rolling release where packages are tested and integrated? And > what you call a (non-light) rolling release is a development rolling > release (cooker, cauldron…

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-15 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juni 2011, 10:44:23 schrieb JA Magallón: > if I select "System settings" o launch firefox, immediately I get a > fullscreen error about "something went wrong, plz logout and in again" Same for me two days back. Since yesterday it works relatively well. I get the mentioned error

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-15 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 02:47:16 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: > Btw: after latest updates I don't have the nice blue background in > Gnome, it is somehow distorted (blue but with lighter blue stripes, You mean like this? http://galleries.stefan-horning.de/d/7704-2/GNOME3-Info-o.png Greetings,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-16 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 16.06.2011 08:46, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Lil: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 02:47:16 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: Btw: after latest updates I don't have the nice blue background in Gnome, it is somehow distorted (blue but with lighter blue stripes, You mean

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-16 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 16.06.2011 09:27, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Lil: Am 16.06.2011 08:46, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/6/16 Thorsten van Lil: Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 02:47:16 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: Btw: after latest updates I don't have the nice blue background in

Re: [Mageia-dev] Problems with Gnome 3

2011-06-16 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011, 19:21:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: > I'm using KDM as well, but the problem is not the restart of the x > server - it is the unavailability of a shutdown/restart dialogue in > the menue, task bar, systray, wherever, which is annoying. Yeah. I noticed that too. There i

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-06 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 06.07.2011 14:04, schrieb Ahmad Samir: On 6 July 2011 13:58, Romain d'Alverny wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: If we go back to the beginning of the discussion where to put such packages which were in PLF we made a clear difference: 1. All non-free goes into no

Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?

2011-07-08 Thread Thorsten van Lil
Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: 2011/7/8 James Kerr: This thread has strayed far from the original question, which could be re-stated as: Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be commingled in a single tainted repository? How can tainted software be free sof