Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

sorry, I forgot to strip off everything at the beginning ... so if you could ignore the previous email andre999 a écrit : I'd like to consolidate and clarify my ideas regarding an amended freeze process, taking into account the critiques. That is, that for the freeze which leads to the release,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 23:49 -0400, andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 03:38 -0400, andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : If people work the same amount of time, with work divided on 2 products, they

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Remco Rijnders a écrit : On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 09:33:44PM +0200, lebarhon wrote: Le 19/06/2011 10:28, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Nobody said anything against your efforts although I don't see any reason there (and I haven't seen any discussion in the webteam where it was decided to do so), W

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 09:33:44PM +0200, lebarhon wrote: Le 19/06/2011 10:28, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Nobody said anything against your efforts although I don't see any reason there (and I haven't seen any discussion in the webteam where it was decided to do so), Who the hell are you to dar

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 23:49 -0400, andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 03:38 -0400, andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : If people work the same amount of time, with work divided on 2 products, they must share their ti

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Le 19/06/2011 10:28, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : Nobody said anything against your efforts although I don't see any reason there (and I haven't seen any discussion in the webteam where it was decided to do so), Who the hell are you to dare say I am a liar ! https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 23:49 -0400, andre999 a écrit : > Michael Scherer a écrit : > > > > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 03:38 -0400, andre999 a écrit : > >> Michael Scherer a écrit : > > If people work the same amount of time, with work divided on 2 products, > > they must share their time, and usua

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Hello, The discussion about the "Mageia life cycle" start few days ago on the forum of the French user community of Mageia ( http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic-10576+cycle-de-vie-de-mageia.php : for those who read French ) tTo put all the answers in a nutshell, i will say that users ra

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

andre999 schrieb am 19.06.2011 > Another thought about the amended freeze process. > Have you noticed how packagers sometimes set off an exchange of 10 > or more emails in attempts to get a package into the release > during the freeze ? > The packager wants to submit, but they can't because cauldr

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 03:38 -0400, andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : Proposal 1: 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva< 2010.1&& Mandriva != 2006.0 ) Proposal 2: 9 months release cycle -> 18 month

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011/6/19 lebarhon : > Le 18/06/2011 13:19, Michael Scherer a écrit : >> >> Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : >> >> 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? >> >> 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway really between forum and ml >> ( which I didn't ask, I am

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Le 18/06/2011 13:19, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway really between forum and ml ( which I didn't ask, I am smart enough to read forum by myself, a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Michael Scherer a écrit : Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 03:38 -0400, andre999 a écrit : Michael Scherer a écrit : Proposal 1: 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva< 2010.1&& Mandriva != 2006.0 ) Proposal 2: 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cycle

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 03:38 -0400, andre999 a écrit : > Michael Scherer a écrit : > > > Proposal 1: > > 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle > > ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva< 2010.1&& Mandriva != 2006.0 ) > > > > Proposal 2: > > 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cycle > > ( ~

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Op zaterdag 18 juni 2011 15:59:33 schreef Michael Scherer: > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 13:42 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > > Op zaterdag 18 juni 2011 13:35:34 schreef Samuel Verschelde: > > > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > > > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 13:42 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > Op zaterdag 18 juni 2011 13:35:34 schreef Samuel Verschelde: > > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : > > > > > > 1) can you please avoid posting a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 13:35 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : > > > > 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? > > > > 2) if you wish to serve as a human gate

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Op zaterdag 18 juni 2011 13:35:34 schreef Samuel Verschelde: > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : > > > > 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? > > > > 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway r

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Le samedi 18 juin 2011 13:19:16, Michael Scherer a écrit : > Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : > > 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? > > 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway really between forum and ml > ( which I didn't ask, I am smart enough to r

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Le samedi 18 juin 2011 à 12:12 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : 1) can you please avoid posting as html to the list ? 2) if you wish to serve as a human gateway really between forum and ml ( which I didn't ask, I am smart enough to read forum by myself, as I helped install them among others ), can you

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by *keksbaecker * » Jun 18th, '11, 11:07 I am also just a simple end user and for me it is more important to have a stable and running System than having the the latest Desktop Environment installed. Personally I think a new

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by wobo » Jun 18th, '11, 00:54 magnus wrote:(In the past ELP had a song "Lucky man") Most people forget that Lucky Man became worm fodder at the end of the song. But you can always enter the Zeppelin and take the Stairway

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by magnus » Jun 17th, '11, 20:55 isadora wrote:Today i started adding the cauldron-repositories, and did a first update to my test-Mageia. Today I have done the same job. about 20 minutes - good internet connection an

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by *isadora * » Jun 17th, '11, 20:04 Must admit magnus is right about the difference between "technical" and "regular"-users. Today i started adding the cauldron-repositories, and did a first update to my test-Mageia. The first

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:16:53 + Dick Gevers wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:43:57 +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote about Re: > [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion: > > >Thanks for the fame :) Do you know how I could easily have an institute > >named aft

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:43:57 +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion: >Thanks for the fame :) Do you know how I could easily have an institute >named after me ? With the meteorlogical service of a windy nation (small island gro

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Michael Scherer a écrit : Proposal 1: 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva< 2010.1&& Mandriva != 2006.0 ) Proposal 2: 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cycle ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mageia 1 ) Proposal 3: 12 months release cycle ->

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by magnus » Jun 17th, '11, 19:26 I think the whole discussion is dominated by "technical" users. I, as a simple user, need a stable, secure system where I can use my applications. Gnome 2, 3, 4 ??? KDE 4.6, 4. 7, 5.0 ??? What does it matter. At the office a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by *wobo * » Jun 17th, '11, 18:50 Several points jumped through my synapses reading Trio3b's post. A thought I had many times before: are the users ready for such Linux distributions? I do not mean any technical skills, no user

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by *Trio3b * » Jun 17th, '11, 17:55 Must preface this reply by saying I am not a coder, developer, packager. Just an end user. Long time MDV user (ver. 10.0). I have tried almost every distro out there for fun but on my main de

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011/6/16 lebarhon > It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to upgrade > Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary users know a newer > version is available and a simple click to upgrade it. > Look to Mageia App DB (in testing) There is growing a good interface.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Le 16/06/2011 19:57, lebarhon a écrit : by *pmithrandir * » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix" of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popu

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by *pmithrandir * » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix" of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by *pmithrandir * » Jun 13th, '11, 20:21 On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix" of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice..

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Samuel Verschelde a écrit : Le mardi 14 juin 2011 20:00:39, Anne nicolas a écrit : 2011/6/14 Wolfgang Bornath 2011/6/14 Anne nicolas: I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was explicitely said to be unsupported. "Use it at your own risks" We may have to rewrite

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:46:33PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: > Proposal 1: > 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle > Proposal 2: > 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cycle > Proposal 3: > 12 months release cycle -> 24 months life cycle Regarding release cycles from a GNO

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by dave » Jun 14th, '11, 22:32 One release every year with the related updated (don't wait one year for have ad updated software) is better. The best could be an half-rolling like chakra but this option isn't in the proposals

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Am Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011, 19:33:00 schrieb Jehan Pagès: > So basically what people call a "light" rolling release in this thread > is a rolling release where packages are tested and integrated? And > what you call a (non-light) rolling release is a development rolling > release (cooker, cauldron…

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:43:57PM +0200, Samuel Verschelde wrote: Le mardi 14 juin 2011 00:50:48, Michael Scherer a écrit : Or, as a mathematician would say : backport_level(R) = stormi_constant / release_frequency(R) ( please not that you are now half as famous as Planck, Faraday and Boltzma

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 23:20 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : > Le mardi 14 juin 2011 20:00:39, Anne nicolas a écrit : > > 2011/6/14 Wolfgang Bornath > > > > > 2011/6/14 Anne nicolas : > > > > I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was > > > > explicitely said to b

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le mercredi 15 juin 2011 à 03:23 +0900, Jehan Pagès a écrit : > Hi, > I think it is so insane so many distributions are still with an > "update by CD" logics (even though it is partly modernized with > dropping the iso into an usb stick, or even simply mounting it > directly, I think that is still

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le mercredi 15 juin 2011 à 02:33 +0900, Jehan Pagès a écrit : > >> And as I said in another mail, if people want to follow arch linux and > >> do a better job, maybe they should start to explain what are the weak > >> points of the distribution and then do proposal on stuff that can be > >> done b

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

2011/6/14 Margot : > > Forums aren't exactly 'modern' - they're just a BBS with added > graphics. You put the whole discussion into the perspective it deserves! Thx for making my day! -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le mardi 14 juin 2011 00:50:48, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > Or, as a mathematician would say : > backport_level(R) = stormi_constant / release_frequency(R) > > ( please not that you are now half as famous as Planck, Faraday and > Boltzmann since there is a constant named after you, the other ha

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

> Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 18:08:17 schreef Patricia Fraser: > > Hi, > > > > 2c from the marcomm team... > > > > > Proposal 1: > > > 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle > > > ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva < 2010.1 && Mandriva != 2006.0 ) > > > > > > Proposal 2: > > > 9 months release cy

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le mardi 14 juin 2011 20:00:39, Anne nicolas a écrit : > 2011/6/14 Wolfgang Bornath > > > 2011/6/14 Anne nicolas : > > > I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was > > > explicitely said to be unsupported. "Use it at your own risks" > > > We may have to rewrite this

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 22:35:21 schreef Margot: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:57:03 +0200 > > Maarten Vanraes wrote: > > Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: > > [...] > > > > > Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my > > > other point. Half the time these replies

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:57:03 +0200 Maarten Vanraes wrote: > Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: > [...] > > Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my > > other point. Half the time these replies complaining about top > > posting, lazyness, or 'netiquette' are bei

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 18:08:17 schreef Patricia Fraser: > Hi, > > 2c from the marcomm team... > > > Proposal 1: > > 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle > > ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva < 2010.1 && Mandriva != 2006.0 ) > > > > Proposal 2: > > 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cy

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 04:08:34 schreef Michael Scherer: > Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 03:30 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > > Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 01:02:51 schreef Michael Scherer: > > > Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 15:51 +0300, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > > > Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:2

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

In data lunedì 13 giugno 2011 23:44:01, Colin Guthrie ha scritto: > read about 30 or 40 different community lists. It's much quicker for > me to have a standard UI and a standard way of operating and a standard > look and feel. > > Each project having a separate forum, with separate logins, with >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 16:22:42 schreef Lee Forest: [...] > Android mail does that by default. But that just proves my other point. > Half the time these replies complaining about top posting, lazyness, or > 'netiquette' are being shot back instead of useful respones. In a forum > this is much les

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011/6/14 Jehan Pagès : > Hi, > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote: >>> and shouldn't be used >>> to bring the half of your system up to date. >> >> The word "stable release" implies "doesn't change much"; so a new >> version of vlc or wine isn't a problem, but don't put "updatin

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On 06/14/2011 01:33 PM, Jehan Pagès wrote: Hi, This has all been discussed before. See the thread at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/924

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Hi, On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote: >> and shouldn't be used >> to bring the half of your system up to date. > > The word "stable release" implies "doesn't change much"; so a new > version of vlc or wine isn't a problem, but don't put "updating to > GNOME3 or KDE 4.8 in Mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On 14 June 2011 09:25, Thorsten van Lil wrote: [...] > > Backports aren't supposed to be for the averaged user I've seen this argument more than once in this thread. Why isn't backports suitable for the average user? that same average user would install an RPM package from a 3rd party repo or the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011/6/14 Wolfgang Bornath > 2011/6/14 Anne nicolas : > > > > I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was > > explicitely said to be unsupported. "Use it at your own risks" > > We may have to rewrite this and make things clear > > Do you mean, just telling people that

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011/6/14 Jehan Pagès : >On the user point of view, all one should care > is knowing a newer version, which is supposed tested and approved, is > available. A BIG +1 -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Hi, On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Thorsten van Lil wrote: > Am 14.06.2011 15:43, schrieb Michael Scherer: >>> >>> Yes, but Backports are not officially supported and we wouldn't advice >>> new users >>> >  to backports normally. >> >> I am sorry, but I fail to follow your reasoning. > > What

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Hi, 2c from the marcomm team... > Proposal 1: > 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle > ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva < 2010.1 && Mandriva != 2006.0 ) > > Proposal 2: > 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cycle > ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mageia 1 ) > > Proposal 3: >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011/6/14 Anne nicolas : > > I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was > explicitely said to be unsupported. "Use it at your own risks" > We may have to rewrite  this and make things clear Do you mean, just telling people that it is no risk or do you mean a change whi

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Am 14.06.2011 17:02, schrieb Anne nicolas: I do not understand what people are saying about backports being "unsupported". IMHO we should either have backports that are supported, with fixes for security issues and important bugs, or no backports. I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did pro

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

2011/6/14 Christiaan Welvaart > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote: > > I don't want a full rolling release, because of the listed disadvantages. >> So, if you ask me what is "wrong" with Arch, I would say: >> * due to the rolling release, it's nearly vanilla. This doesn't match >> requ

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote: I don't want a full rolling release, because of the listed disadvantages. So, if you ask me what is "wrong" with Arch, I would say: * due to the rolling release, it's nearly vanilla. This doesn't match requirements of Mageia * no innovations (becaus

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

'Twas brillig, and Lee Forest at 14/06/11 13:52 did gyre and gimble: > mailing list might work best for a couple people but is it worth > inconveniencing the rest of the word because you are a die hard mailing > list user I've posted the arguments before and I'll do it again, despite this thread g

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

On 06/14/2011 10:22 AM, Lee Forest wrote: On 06/14/2011 10:03 AM, Frank Griffin wrote: That's not caused by an ML, it's caused by people being lazy and quoting the entire message to which they're replying, which is a breach of netiquette. As is top-posting :-) Android mail does that by default

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

On 06/14/2011 10:03 AM, Frank Griffin wrote: > On 06/14/2011 09:38 AM, Lee Forest wrote: >> >> And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't >> let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a >> conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. >> T

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 15:38, Lee Forest wrote: > And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your > system do redundant tasks. As golden as the need to not to have redundancy: it depends. Redundancy can be very, very appreciated. But not always in a discussion (be it

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Am 14.06.2011 15:43, schrieb Michael Scherer: Yes, but Backports are not officially supported and we wouldn't advice new users > to backports normally. I am sorry, but I fail to follow your reasoning. What I meant is: We can't tell the user to use the backports and if he runs in trouble we l

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

On 06/14/2011 09:38 AM, Lee Forest wrote: And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot of redundant data using up server traffic. T

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 07:55 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a écrit : > Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011, 23:28:04 schrieb Renaud MICHEL: > > On lundi 13 juin 2011 at 23:06, Thorsten van Lil wrote : > > > A rolling release has following advantages: > > > 1. the distribution is always up to date (also hardware su

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don't let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot of redundant data using up server traffic. In a forum everything is more central. A lot less r

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Lee Forest said on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 08:52:50AM -0400: > Only a couple people so far are hooked on mailing > lists. Yes, all the ones who really work on making the distro ! And I can't take that opportunity to thank them :-) My self +1 for ML, -1 for forums. Bruno. -- Open Source & Linux P

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

On 06/14/2011 09:07 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: So, IMHO this discussion is as meaningless as the famous/infamous vi vs emacs discussions of way back when. +1 Not to mention that if you don't like getting emails, you can always simply use the archives to find what interests you.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

I've been around when there were no forums, just news groups and mailing lists. And I have been posting in forums since they were invented (even in early CompuServe times). What I found out over all these years: 1. All these reasons which have been posted here and in previous threads since the beg

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

I agree. Mailing lists are messy and hard to follow. And sometimes the only response you get is about how you sent the message wrong. I bet more people would use the forums. Only a couple people so far are hooked on mailing lists. Im seeing more and more comments coming in about this. forums would

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

'Twas brillig, and lebarhon at 14/06/11 11:42 did gyre and gimble: > by *roadrunner > * » > Jun 13th, '11, 22:24 > > pmithrandir wrote:BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated > and that mageia should have a special

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by *roadrunner * » Jun 13th, '11, 22:24 pmithrandir wrote:BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe another forum. It'

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

by *corbintech * » Jun 13th, '11, 22:12 I quit the ML because I was not doing it right (never used a list like that before). So if I may, I will post here what somebody responded to me and write my response here. compl

[Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion - messages from the forum

Hello, I will forward in this thread the messages coming from the forum. They aren't my opinion. Lebarhon.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Am 14.06.2011 08:48, schrieb Oliver Burger: Thorsten van Lil schrieb am 14.06.2011 > An Upgrade is nearly the same, than reinstalling. The difference is > only, that you can use your system in the mean time and you are > not forced to install the missing packages. And you keep all your preci

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Thorsten van Lil schrieb am 14.06.2011 > Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011, 23:28:04 schrieb Renaud MICHEL: > > I don't get it why people think a re-install is necessary. > > My current computer was installed with mandriva 2007 (don't > > remember if it was .0 or .1), it is now mageia 1 and has been > > up

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011, 23:28:04 schrieb Renaud MICHEL: > On lundi 13 juin 2011 at 23:06, Thorsten van Lil wrote : > > A rolling release has following advantages: > > 1. the distribution is always up to date (also hardware support) > > 2. no re-install over and over again > > I don't get it why

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 03:30 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 01:02:51 schreef Michael Scherer: > > Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 15:51 +0300, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > > Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:20: > > > Obviously there will still be people complaining that "yo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 01:02:51 schreef Michael Scherer: > Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 15:51 +0300, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:20: > > > About the cycles: > > > > > > The 9-months seem to be a compromise - but I start to ask why we need > > > such a fixed statem

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le mardi 14 juin 2011 à 02:36 +0200, Bruno Cornec a écrit : > Michael Scherer said on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:31:46AM +0200: > > > And I think we can already decide to release 1 week later if a > > release_critical bug appears. Fedora 15 for example was 2 weeks late, > > because they changed the r

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 05:04 -0700, Ron a écrit : > > There is a limited set of options, and as you can see, none of your > > idea was not already explored by someone else. > It has all been done before, in that sense let's just close up shop and call > it a day??? Your first argument was "we s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Michael Scherer said on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:31:46AM +0200: > And I think we can already decide to release 1 week later if a > release_critical bug appears. Fedora 15 for example was 2 weeks late, > because they changed the release date twice after having seen some > problem (http://fedoraproje

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:37:25 -0500 (CDT), Dale Huckeby wrote: +1 The consensus so far seems to be: 6 months is too short 12 months is too long 9 months is just about right and that applies not only to developers having a chance to catch their breath between versions, but users too. A

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Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 14:20 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : > The 9-months seem to be a compromise - but I start to ask why we need > such a fixed statement (which it would be, once published). We need a > schedule for each cycle, that's true. Without a schedule we would > never finish anythin

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 15:51 +0300, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:20: > > About the cycles: > > > > The 9-months seem to be a compromise - but I start to ask why we need > > such a fixed statement (which it would be, once published). We need a > > schedule for eac

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Op dinsdag 14 juni 2011 00:08:56 schreef David W. Hodgins: > On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:28:04 -0400, Renaud MICHEL wrote: > > On lundi 13 juin 2011 at 23:06, Thorsten van Lil wrote : > >> A rolling release has following advantages: > >> 1. the distribution is always up to date (also hardware support)

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Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 14:58 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : > Le dimanche 12 juin 2011 22:46:33, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > so , with a little bit delay due to various things ( like everybody > > asking stuff to us on irc on a hourly fashion ( people will I hope > > recognize t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:28:04 -0400, Renaud MICHEL wrote: On lundi 13 juin 2011 at 23:06, Thorsten van Lil wrote : A rolling release has following advantages: 1. the distribution is always up to date (also hardware support) 2. no re-install over and over again I don't get it why people think

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

'Twas brillig, and lebarhon at 13/06/11 20:18 did gyre and gimble: > BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia should > have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe > another forum. > It's totally impossible for people who want to participate sometimes t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

On lundi 13 juin 2011 at 23:06, Thorsten van Lil wrote : > A rolling release has following advantages: > 1. the distribution is always up to date (also hardware support) > 2. no re-install over and over again I don't get it why people think a re-install is necessary. My current computer was insta

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Am Sonntag, 12. Juni 2011, 22:46:33 schrieb Michael Scherer: > Proposal 1: > 6 months release cycle -> 12 months life cycle > ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva < 2010.1 && Mandriva != 2006.0 ) > > Proposal 2: > 9 months release cycle -> 18 months life cycle > ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mage

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

From *pmithrandir * on the forum On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix" of others idea. I would say : - A release every year. - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...) - D

Re: [Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion

Le 13/06/2011 19:22, Michael Scherer a écrit : Le lundi 13 juin 2011 à 18:29 +0200, lebarhon a écrit : Le 13/06/2011 17:37, Dale Huckeby a écrit : The consensus so far seems to be: 6 months is too short 12 months is too long 9 months is just about right You have to choose your public, 6

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2011/6/13 Lee Forest > I like the idea of releasing when ready. Its done when the team thinks its > ready and not because its being demanded by end users. In Linux Mint this > does alot of good because of having to clean up after ubuntu so much. The > releases are much more stable and polished. T

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