Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
is based off of the direct message. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
to both) :-/ I prefer to only receive messages to the mailing list. But I understand why you replied to both. ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
people say. It is absolutely, 100%, clear to me what I want to happen on Reply and Reply All. But it seems that that is not what you want to happen... We are all entitled to our own opinions. ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
to incoming messages go back out to. IMHO the way the From: / Reply-To: are configured doesn't matter or impact where replies to incoming messages go. What am I missing? -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Us

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
so. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
that Thunderbird can do. Hence good in theory, bad in practice. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
rithm were used in all major MUAs, there would be no demand for Reply-To munging. Maybe, maybe not. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
I'm /not/ saying where your reply /does/ go. I'm saying where I would /like/ it to go. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
  With DMARC munging that's no longer an option; I need Reply-To: on DMARC-munged lists. How can you tell the difference between me setting the Reply-To: to be the Mailman Users mailing list (which I have done for this email) and the mailing list manager doing it? What do you do in these case

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
to something like "Reply-To: Please reply to the Mailman-Users mailing list. <mailman-users@python.org>" 3. Else address the message to From. (If there's no From, the message violates the most basic RFCs so all bets are off.) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sounds like the classic case of "un

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
if the mailing list manager alters the Reply-To: header. But I think that would be the case despite of Thunderbird's recent change. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ated behavior /without/ giving an option to revert. *headDesk* -- Grant. . . . unix || die ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/22/2018 12:17 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: My bad. I was confused. In my answer above, "False" should be "True" and vice versa. ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org htt

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
mailing list. *sigh* -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searc

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
On 22/01/18 18:24, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: Will someone please enlighten me on how mail.override_list_reply_to behaves when set to true (the default) vs false? If set to TRUE (the default value) replies will go directly to the sender of the message. If set to FALSE, replies

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
Thunderbird, 52.5.0. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/20/2018 12:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: What actually happens with "reply" depends on a few things. If the mail client involved is Thunderbird, it doesn't behave as expected. See . In short, in recent T'bird if the message has a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
On 20/01/18 20:05, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 01/20/2018 10:18 AM, Hal via Mailman-Users wrote: I'm a little confused about the "reply-to" setting as I was pretty sure I had set my list up so that all replies by default go back to the list, but for some reason a reply goes directly to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Photos from Macs getting removed by list server

2018-01-21 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
l message’s HTML text and not real attachments. And when the HTML is deleted by Mailman, the images are of course also no longer showing. > We’re also finding that if ipad/iphone users send emails with photos, > the list lets the photos through, but iPad/iphone users can’t see > them,

[Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-20 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
he list's posting address set for the "reply_to_adress". Since this didn't work and I tried to read the details/help for the Mailman web-interface but can't seem to figure this out. I did change the "reply_goes_to_list" setting to "Explicit address" but that did

Re: [Mailman-Users] Retention policy for archives

2018-01-16 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
e ~160 bytes that each pruned message would consume would be worth retaining the functionality of the prior saved URLs. Just my 2¢ worth. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python

Re: [Mailman-Users] Sample of an Uncaught bounce notification

2018-01-12 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/12/2018 08:43 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Is this live sample of an Uncaught bounce notification useful to forward to developers to extend pattern matching. http://berklix.com/~jhs/tmp/mailman/uncaught_bounce_notification/1 I highly doubt it. The bounce that is in the email you linked

Re: [Mailman-Users] options for dealing with DMARC

2017-12-28 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 12/28/2017 04:33 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: Sending domain administrators can require that *both* SPF /and/ DKIM must pass for DMARC to pass.  So your /or/ premise is likely not going to work out as well as you had hoped. (*sigh* It's been a day.) As sure as I say that. I

Re: [Mailman-Users] options for dealing with DMARC

2017-12-28 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives

Re: [Mailman-Users] change links in mail footer to https

2017-12-10 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
On 10-Dec-17 19:24, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Note that with this specific issue, I could expose a list's web_page_url > in the web admin UI, but that wouldn't solve the problem. As Brian > indicates, making Mailman use https involve more than that. It also > requires certificates

Re: [Mailman-Users] change links in mail footer to https

2017-12-10 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
st reaction was "change hosting provider" - but there were many "I can't" - though the reasons varied. You might consider adding a super-user menu to allow users to run withlist; fix_url; etc without shell access.  Or an admin privilege that can be granted to selected list managers.  If

Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to the List

2017-12-07 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 12/07/2017 07:19 PM, Chip Davis wrote: And I have no problem with that (except that editorial advice probably doesn't belong on a settings page) because it refers to a "mailing list".  I have no statistics, but my exposure to Mailman has been almost exclusively as a "

[Mailman-Users] Replying to the List

2017-12-07 Thread Ron Beatteay via Mailman-Users
Hi all,  I’m new to mailman.  My previous Listserv platform ( LSoft ) made it easy to reply to discussions by automatically sending replies to the list.  With mailman, replies go to the person, not the list,, so we have to make the extra step of correcting the outgoing to: address

Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Message List

2017-12-06 Thread mailman-admin
Hello Am 06.12.2017 um 00:38 schrieb List Manager: > Yesterday, I asked: Is there a way, with mailman 2.1.24 to sort the > Pending Moderator > Requests list in something other than alphabetically? Chronologically > would be especially helpful. > > And Mark answered: >&

Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing archived spam

2017-11-14 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
On 12/11/17 02:10, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/11/2017 03:58 PM, Hal via Mailman-Users wrote: On 12/11/17 00:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: Would adding me as a member to the Mailman group be the "safest" option? It would allow you to do what you need (and to "mess up" Mailman ;

Re: [Mailman-Users] Funding Campaign for GNU Mailman

2017-11-13 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
On 13/11/17 06:35, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Hal via Mailman-Users writes: > [The FSF donation page for GNU Mailman is] apparently working now. > At least for me and using Paypal. Do you mean you used it with a screen reader for the visually impaired? If so, what screen reader we

Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing archived spam

2017-11-11 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
On 12/11/17 00:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/11/2017 02:28 PM, Hal via Mailman-Users wrote: unfortunately I'm unable to access that location ("permission denied") for some reason, It is not uncommon for /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ to not be readable/searchable by other th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing archived spam

2017-11-11 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
On 07/11/17 19:41, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: On 11/07/2017 01:29 AM, Hal via Mailman-Users wrote: I run a low-volume mailing list (using Mailman 2.1.12) and I see that a few spam-messages have gotten through, which also means they're archived. I would like to remove them but all the info I can find

[Mailman-Users] Removing archived spam

2017-11-07 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
I run a low-volume mailing list (using Mailman 2.1.12) and I see that a few spam-messages have gotten through, which also means they're archived. I would like to remove them but all the info I can find when searching online are along the lines of "hard to do", "shouldn

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 10/19/2017 10:14 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: /The output of a resending MLM is/ *a new message*. ... *The resending MLM is the author* /of the new message/. Since the MLM is the author of the new message, I think it would be prudent to use either of the following

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
sending domain to use, or Yahoo (et al) would need to have a list of domains to send from the list subdomain. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 10/19/2017 12:37 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: The IETF has NO position on WHEN this should be done because it's not relevant to interoperability. My personal reasoning with respect to mailing list managers like Mailman which normally pass through all text/plain, and perhaps add some tags

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
-- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-18 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
all free to run our mail servers that way that we want to. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 S

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-18 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
When those e-mail are from mailman I'll start caring about what mailman does with DMARC headers. But at this point I'd just strip them all off. I suspect that when (if) you care will be after you implement filtering (Chicken / Egg?) that possibly rejects messages from mailing lists. Or pos

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-18 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
e) search so that it could match on "W[üu]trich". (Adjust as necessary.) -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http:

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-18 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
it even gets out of the gate. I hope that's not the case. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-18 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ion to a marketing problem. So this kind of problem-finding and problem-solving has made to SMTP RFCs now, colour me shocked. I'd be curious to read said email, if it's convenient to dig up. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-18 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
C is going to do to this paradigm. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-18 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
signatures as a bad thing. I use DKIM validity as a signal that I then make decisions based on. - Hence why I have chosen to alter spam score on my mail server based on the DKIM result. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
reat it suspiciously. Read: I increment the spam score. (If the spam score is high enough I reject the message at SMTP time.) If there is no DKIM signature, I continue processing normally. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailin

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ceiving the feedback reports. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Arc

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 10/17/2017 03:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: What I mean is as I posted previously <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2017-October/082611.html>, RFC 5322 says the From: contains the "the mailbox(es) of the person(s) or system(s) responsible for the writing of

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
you domain registar. /me wonders what color Dimitri's hat is. ;-) #knowtheyenemy -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
-- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
) SPF /or/ DKIM 4) SPF /and/ DKIM -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
by itself can tolerate that, like you are referencing. I believe the problem is when DMARC is added to the mix, particularly with a policy of reject. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 10/17/2017 10:55 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: I can perfectly follow your thoughts and arguments, they appear to be justified and reasonable. Thank you. I tried to make them so that people could understand, even if they choose to disagree. However, could you please

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hello Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users. On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:10:56 -0600, you wrote: > Some drive by comments: > ... I can perfectly follow your thoughts and arguments, they appear to be justified and reasonable. However, could you please elaborate whether Mailman (version 2.x or 3.x)

Re: [Mailman-Users] cause of bounces

2017-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
g this message to anyone other than the single address that is the mailman-users mailing list. - The mailman-users mailing list is what is sending message to all the subscribers, *NOT* me. Both my mail server and the mail list server's MTA logs will corroborate this. - I think pretending th

Re: [Mailman-Users] DKIM signing issue - relaying mailman e-mails from third party sources

2017-10-12 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 10/11/2017 12:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: solution 2). Your mail relaying process can rewrite the envelope sender to your domain, e.g., campa...@myserver.com or some other appropriate @myserver.com address. This will break mailman's automated bounce processing for mail from mailman-boun

Re: [Mailman-Users] Wish list: bounce notifications

2017-10-11 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
uations ASAP so that I can prod the provider into fixing the problem > and requesting delisting, but Mailman doesn't seem to have a way to tell > me when it gets a bounce... only when it's gotten several bounces and > disabled a membership. Since I don't want to wait for several bou

[Mailman-Users] DKIM signing issue - relaying mailman e-mails from third party sources

2017-10-11 Thread Dlugasny via Mailman-Users
Hallo Mark, Kolleagues, maybe somebody will be able to help me here. I would like to relay (also check with Antivir and sign them with DKIM) all Mailman e-mails from our external partners to our final customers. Relaying seems to work nice but we have a problem with DKIM authentication

Re: [Mailman-Users] DKIM / DMARC woes...

2017-10-03 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 10/03/2017 10:24 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: It is not a list setting. It applies to the entire installation. It is documented in Mailman/Defaults.py and if you want to change the default, set it in Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Thank you Mark. Sorry if I'm asking obvious questions. I've not admined

Re: [Mailman-Users] DKIM / DMARC woes...

2017-10-03 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 09/21/2017 03:23 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: The default behavior does nothing to DKIM related headers. This is from Defaults.py Is the REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS option a per mailing list setting? Or is it Mailman wide? I'm looking through the list admin interface for Mailman 2.1.20

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

2017-10-02 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
On 02-Oct-17 15:35, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > Oh, I agree: mailman worked exactly as designed. Whoever designed that > particular assumed it'll take zero time to process an uploaded list of > an unknown size, and that did precisely what ass-u-me always does. No > surprises there, u

Re: [Mailman-Users] bulk subscribe 7K users

2017-09-30 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hello Dimitri Maziuk. On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:31:23 -0500, you wrote: > But the welcome messages have been sent so interrupting it and > re-running with smaller address chunks will have some people receive > the welcome message twice. I'd like to avoid that. I don't think so. My M

Re: [Mailman-Users] Recent phishing mails are targeting mailing-lists -- and do pass

2017-09-27 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
gt;> is also helpful at catching spam and phishing mail. >> > [snip] > ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Po

Re: [Mailman-Users] Correct Mailman setup

2017-09-23 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
>>> processed but then queued for up to one hour before they go out. The >>> mail system is on the same virtual server, and the provider has no idea >>> what to do. Otherwise the mail server does not ause problems, any >>> message submitted normally (not via Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] DKIM / DMARC woes...

2017-09-21 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
is happening? (from_is_list or dmarc_moderation_action both at their default value.) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http

[Mailman-Users] DKIM / DMARC woes...

2017-09-21 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
Hello, Does setting from_is_list and / or dmarc_moderation_action to munge cause Mailman to do anything with existing DKIM-Signature headers? Will they be removed or left there? -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list

Re: [Mailman-Users] List adds information to sender's name

2017-09-20 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
sage be stripped? If so, this will be done regardless of whether an explict Reply-To: header is added by Mailman or not. YES Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists. THIS LIST Explicit Reply-To: header. (FIELD IS EMPTY) To my understanding, t

Re: [Mailman-Users] List adds information to sender's name

2017-09-19 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
thors cc'ed > themselves - but a test message where I put my own address in cc did > not "munge" the sender's address... And, additionally: why does my original question have "via Mailman-Users" appended, while my reply (using the same mail app and the same settings) does not

[Mailman-Users] List adds information to sender's name

2017-09-19 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hi On a list using Mailman 2.1.23 (on cpanel 66.0.23) I have noticed the following effects: Most messages appear with the author's name and in the "From:"-field in the same form as the author has set up in his mail application. However, some show additional information like &qu

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to blocking malicious subscription requests?

2017-09-05 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 09/05/2017 08:55 AM, Ian Kelling wrote: There is at least one very major mail provider where joe+any_string@domain goes to the inbox of joe by default, Is Mailman aware of user+detail? Or does is it naively view the entire userpart as distinct? Thus allowing as many many subscriptions

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to blocking malicious subscription requests?

2017-09-05 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
On 05-Sep-17 10:55, Ian Kelling wrote: > There is at least one very major mail provider where > joe+any_string@domain goes to the inbox of joe by default, allowing bad > people to get my mailman instance to send many subscription mails to > joe+random_string@domain, messing up joe's in

Re: [Mailman-Users] Users being unsubscribed without requesting it.

2017-08-21 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
I'd also worry that the POST method is not distinct enough compared to GET. (At least compared to double opt out.) -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listin

Re: [Mailman-Users] Distributed mass subscribe attack?

2017-08-18 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
at +, and have been forced to do something else for user+detail like functionality. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http

Re: [Mailman-Users] Distributed mass subscribe attack?

2017-08-18 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
if you do almost anything unusual. ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://

[Mailman-Users] sync_members - doesnt sync E-mail addresses with german umlauts characters (in the domain)

2017-08-06 Thread Dlugasny via Mailman-Users
Hi, sync_members command is not able to sync E-mail addresses with german Umlauts. [ä, ö,](https://learn-german-easily.com/german-umlauts) I saw some rules for an valid E-mail domain in .../Mailman/Utils.py This kind of characters are allowed in the domain names, but mailman accepting only a-z

Re: [Mailman-Users] Newer Thunderbird reply list behaviour

2017-08-04 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 08/04/2017 07:46 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: I am recently getting a lot of complaints from Thunderbird users on several lists running on our Mailman 2.1.24 system that when they press ctrl+r for reply, the reply goes to the individual sender and not the list. Mailman is set to strip

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by the subscriber ?

2017-07-27 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
, and then track that way. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by the subscriber ?

2017-07-27 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hello Dlugasny via Mailman-Users. On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:43:43 -0400, you wrote: > we are using Mailman to send out our company newsletters. > Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails > opened by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user >

[Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by the subscriber ?

2017-07-27 Thread Dlugasny via Mailman-Users
HI, we are using Mailman to send out our company newsletters. Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails opened by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user opened an E-mail. WIll it be possible ? Is it possible to get some statistics about bounced E-mails

Re: [Mailman-Users] Second Name

2017-07-25 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Second Name

2017-07-23 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 07/23/2017 08:19 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > If Mailman can't do this itself, I'd try to get the MTA that interfaces > with Mailman to do help. Specifically, create aliases for list2 that > actually reference list1. > > Ultimately both SMTP envelope addre

Re: [Mailman-Users] Second Name

2017-07-23 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 07/23/2017 06:09 PM, David Andrews wrote: > One of my users has requested a list -- let's call it > li...@example.org. He wants a second name for this list -- > li...@example.org He says he heard Mailman can do this. I have > experimented a little, but can't see how. > &

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and gmail

2017-07-19 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hi Kevin GMAIL is a problem itself. On another mailing list (which is not a Mailman list and I am not a moderator or something like that), messages seem even to be held back by GMAIL and not delivered at all to the subscribers. I am not sure whether a GMAIL user can "educate" the m

[Mailman-Users] DMARC and gmail

2017-07-19 Thread Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users
I've recently been hearing that some subscribers to a club mailing list who use gmail are having all messages pushed to their spam folder. One user said it's only an issue when the sender is a gmail user as well. I'm running mailman 2.1.23 and had dmarc_moderation_action set to the default

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 confusion

2017-06-19 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
e, > > I went through a similar battle with installing Mailman 3 but emerged > victorious in the end. Here are some tips that might help you out. > > - There are several places where you can find Mailman 3 docs. It is > confusing. The most complete documentation I found is &g

[Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 confusion

2017-06-18 Thread tlhackque via Mailman-Users
I took another look at installing Mailman 3, and ended up lost and confused. I'm an experienced software person - but my Python knowledge is minimal. Fedora 25, python 3.5.3, pretty much out of the box. Mailman version: 3.1.0 (The other bits and pieces are current - 1.1) I tried to follow

Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator action requested for a new subscription?

2017-06-04 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hello Richard Damon. On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 14:58:08 -0400, you wrote: > On 6/4/17 1:16 PM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: >> Hi >> >> For one of my (5) lists, I received today a request to approve a new >> subscriber. >> >> No problem, I thought

[Mailman-Users] Moderator action requested for a new subscription?

2017-06-04 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
other setting which would require me to approve new members. But maybe there is one I missed? Mailman 2.1.23 on cPanel installation. Tahnk you for advice, Christian -- Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer

[Mailman-Users] Message Held for approval -- too verbose

2017-05-11 Thread Piet Barber via Mailman-Users
administration I hate the most. And I hate it because of spammers. scumbags. The problem is when the "This message has been held by a moderator for approval" messages come to me. My Gmail is labeling those as spam. They're labeling them as spam because Mailman is forwarding the entire mes

Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding email to a mailman list

2017-04-22 Thread netravnen+mailman
to this list. Is what you are looking for ? /Christoffer ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-a

[Mailman-Users] externally stored attachments and bin/arch

2017-04-20 Thread giannis karageorgiou via Mailman-Users
purged from the other lists too. Is it really so (possibly as side effect of the monthly pipermail re-indexing) ? thanks beforehand for any insight (and in general for your work) GK -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https

[Mailman-Users] Correct host values in mm.cfg.py

2017-04-11 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hi all I have started to install Mailman on a Mac OS X Sierra (10.12.4) machine, using Macports. I installed the necessary python27 component and mailman itself so far. But then, I am stuck... At the end of the mailman install process, I receive the message "Be sure to verify the

Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

2017-03-31 Thread Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users
Den 31. mars 2017 22:41, skrev Mark Sapiro: On 03/31/2017 12:12 PM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users wrote: Sure, daily summary should be fine, but on a bad day these non-deliverable admin-emails will add up, and postfix keeps trying to deliver them. So my logs show quite a few failed

Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

2017-03-31 Thread Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users
Den 31. mars 2017 19:52, skrev Mark Sapiro: On 03/31/2017 10:05 AM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users wrote: So, I need to NOT send the attachment to get the "pending" mail to the list-admin. The only way to do that would be to modify the code in the hold_for_approval function

Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

2017-03-31 Thread Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users
Den 31. mars 2017 17:13, skrev Scott Neader: On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users <mailman-users@python.org <mailto:mailman-users@python.org>> wrote: I have a list administrator who is on gmail. Forwarding held spam-messages to him does not

[Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

2017-03-31 Thread Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hi all Every now and then, "Mailman 3" is mentioned on this list. As I understand it, MM 3 is completely different from the current MM 2 we all are using, and as Mark Sapiro wrote earlier today, questions regarding MM3 belong somewhere else. And I think I'll be using MM 2 as lo

[Mailman-Users] Weird response from a subscriber's mail server

2017-03-24 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hi all I have a new problem with our mailing list (Mailman 2.1.23 on cPanel 62.0.17 where a subscriber's provider rejects messages from the list. Not the usual way, where the message simply bounces; here the original sender of the list message receives a notification as shown

[Mailman-Users] an unrelated site's (cgi) access to mailman cmdline tools

2017-03-22 Thread karrageorgiou.giannis--- via Mailman-Users
dear mailman team, I have a cgi program running under a site that is NOT the one hosting the mailman's web interface (i.e. both mail.[domain] (mailman) and www.[domain] are apache's virtual domains in the same system, but under DIFFERENT user/group directives) The cgi program must generate

Re: [Mailman-Users] disappearing subscriber

2017-03-08 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
We have to ensure that people > reliably get the messages. If he was taken off the list due to bounces - why should Mailman send a message to an address which does not accept mails? Christian -- Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenki

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