Re: [mailop] Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..

2019-04-29 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Hi Michael Just a short update on DigitalOcean after I to their abuse desk that it took them almost a month to take down an ubs.com phishing site and they didn't even seem to bother to look at the other spam sources I mentioned in the same incident report. It again took them about two weeks to r

Re: [mailop] Outgoing messages currently blocked by hotmail, google, outlook etc (any way to unblock?)

2019-04-29 Thread Ken O'Driscoll via mailop
On Fri, 2019-04-26 at 15:01 +0100, Gary Hussey wrote: > e was a victim of a spam session where approximately 200k spam emails was > trying to leave our server over the bank holiday weekend. On tuesday this > was discovered and around 50k had left our server. This was resolved but > we are still exp

[mailop] Seeing broken Content-Type headers from sendgrid

2019-04-29 Thread Tobi via mailop
We're currently seeing quite a bunch of messages from no-re...@sendgrid.net which contain broken Content-Type headers like > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:09:15 UTC > boundary="2821519d3987dfb8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary bounda

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Vsevolod Stakhov via mailop
Bill, On 28/04/2019 20:37, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: > On 28 Apr 2019, at 13:05, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote: > >> On 4/27/19 11:43 PM, Bill Cole wrote: >>> I can't say "should" because that's a site-specific/sender-specific >>> choice. >> >> As is the choice to (over)sign headers, even non-e

[mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Hi List I wonder if DigitalOcean is running for some social media related wake-up call. I Twittered to @digitalocean about the lack of responsiveness from their abuse desk. They promptly replied via Twitter: "We apologise for the trouble. Our security & operation team is already looking into it

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Alan Hodgson via mailop
On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 15:09 -0400, Bill Cole wrote: > Yes, because the signature included the Sender and List-* headers, > probably non-existent originally, which mailing lists typically > (including this one) add to messages they relay. > Like most mailing lists, mailop both modifies the Subj

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
If you follow any of the white hat groups, or security researchers, you will see a lot of them already doing it with little or no effect.. (Which means of course people stop bothering to report it) However, a little birdie told me that certain government agencies are finally waking up and gath

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Michael Rathbun via mailop
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 07:26:23 -0700, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: >PS, pgHammer went quiet yesterday.. either someone caught/killed his C&C >server, or the actor realized that there was too much attention on the >activity. That doesn't mean those servers listed should not still be >take

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop
> I Twittered to @digitalocean about the lack of responsiveness from their > abuse desk. > > They promptly replied via Twitter: > > "We apologise for the trouble. Our security & operation team is already > looking into it." > > As I still had a case open with them, I appended your nice list of >

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2019-04-29 7:58 a.m., Michael Rathbun via mailop wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 07:26:23 -0700, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: PS, pgHammer went quiet yesterday.. either someone caught/killed his C&C server, or the actor realized that there was too much attention on the activity. That doe

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Rich Kulawiec via mailop
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:33:07AM -0600, Brielle Bruns via mailop wrote: > A slack channel would be cool regardless [...] No, it wouldn't. You might find it instructive to read their S-1 filing, referenced here: Slack Warns Investors It's a Target for Nation-State Hacking https

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2019-04-29 8:18 a.m., Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote: I wonder if we should*all* tweet to them, including the hashtag #DigitalOceanHostsBadGuys ?;-) When Anne suggests something like this.. ;) Done! -- "Catch the Magic of Linux..." --

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2019-04-29 8:37 a.m., Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: On 2019-04-29 8:18 a.m., Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote: I wonder if we should*all*  tweet to them, including the hashtag #DigitalOceanHostsBadGuys ?;-) When Anne suggests something like this.. ;) Done! Speaking of.. an

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Brielle Bruns via mailop
On 4/29/2019 9:30 AM, Rich Kulawiec via mailop wrote: On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:33:07AM -0600, Brielle Bruns via mailop wrote: A slack channel would be cool regardless [...] No, it wouldn't. You might find it instructive to read their S-1 filing, referenced here: Slack Warns Investo

[mailop] Mailop cert - was Re: Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote: On April 29, 2019 3:46:03 AM UTC, John Levine via mailop wrote: Still waiting to hear when mailop.org adds its SPF record. Didn't it take almost 2 years the last time we waited on mailop.org to fix a cert?😊 The current web cert for the

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Grant Taylor via mailop
On 4/28/19 11:50 PM, Kurt Andersen (b) via mailop wrote: Mailop either needs to implement ARC (there are solutions for that which work with Mailman 2 & 3), sign outgoing mail with its own DKIM signatures (along with header munging), or implement SPF authentication in order to have authenticatio

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Andreas Klein via mailop
Am 28.04.2019 um 20:24 schrieb Grant Taylor via mailop: > I think the list MTA should accept the messages with DKIM oversigned > headers, remove said DKIM-Signature headers, pass the DKIM-less message > into the mailing list for normal processing. What I see from my Google DMARC reports is DKIM/

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
Wow, what a thread. So, to be clear, we don't treat DKIM failure any different than if the message lacks DKIM, at least in general (its always possible there are manual rules that do things differently that were targeted at specific campaigns, and I'm not sure if the ML thinks differently, but thi

Re: [mailop] Mailop cert - was Re: Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Brielle Bruns via mailop
On 4/29/2019 12:51 PM, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote: I'm trying to alert the exim developers to the suggestions that people have made in this thread; but it would be easier to ask them to subscribe to mailop if the archive didn't have an expired certificate. I joined the exim-dev lis

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 29 Apr 2019, at 15:55, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: Wow, what a thread. So, to be clear, we don't treat DKIM failure any different than if the message lacks DKIM, at least in general Great! [...] I'm surprised that no one has fixed mailman's bounce handling to be smarter, It is, if i

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread John Levine via mailop
In article <231a8e51-7a1d-10ea-e777-f157156e7...@akxnet.de> you write: >The list server has no control over other's SPF records, so the SPF >check will fail if the FROM of the original message is retained and an >SPF record exists for that domain. Mailing lists put their own address as the bounce

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Carl Byington via mailop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2019-04-29 at 09:12 -0700, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > Speaking of.. anyone have any insight into these guys? > They keep popping up on various CDN's eg, DO, AZURE, etc.. > 45.32.138.192 (M) 1 mta-wk-3.mk3.ipruz.

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread John Johnstone via mailop
On 4/29/2019 12:12 PM, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: On 2019-04-29 8:37 a.m., Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: Speaking of.. anyone have any insight into these guys? They keep popping up on various CDN's eg, DO, AZURE, etc.. Most, possibly all of these networks are blocked here. It

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
Thanks everyone for suggestions about stopping them, but we already have that.. but to be clearer, just wanted to see if anyone had any insight into the "operator" behind them.. Any sense of legitimacy at all? Who's lists are they washing? PS, don't block them, just tell them every email exis

Re: [mailop] Admin: Gmail users of mailop suspended due to bounces.

2019-04-29 Thread Noel Butler via mailop
On 30/04/2019 05:35, Andreas Klein via mailop wrote: > so the SPF > check will fail if the FROM of the original message is retained and an > SPF record exists for that domain. ancient FUD I was a very, *very* early adopter of SPF, I always hear these claims, but my mails always get through SPF

Re: [mailop] DigitalOcean calling for social media s* storm? (Re: Why is it so hard to have takedown's performed..)

2019-04-29 Thread Carl Byington via mailop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 2019-04-29 at 16:49 -0700, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > PPS, You know the IP(s) can change at any time ;) That is what cron is for. So far, synapp.io has been very good about listing *only* their own address validators in their spf