Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread David Greaves
On 25/03/11 09:11, Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Richard Dale wrote: I personally think that the Nepomuk non-application specific integrated data approach could be a killer feature of MeeGo. In comparison iOS is completely Agreed. Luckily tracker will still be the

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
Hi Arjen, On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 17:30, Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> I wouldn't have thought there was, but obviously the statement above from >> Arjan van de Ven concerned me. > > my concern is based on the (lack of) progress around QSparql in MeeGo. I'm > sure it's all great in Harmattan, > but

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em sexta-feira, 25 de março de 2011, às 08:30:43, Arjan van de Ven escreveu: > my concern is based on the (lack of) progress around QSparql in MeeGo. > I'm sure it's all great in Harmattan, > but a solid story for MeeGo has so far been lacking. Ideally QSparql > becomes a real, full and open source

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 3/25/2011 8:24 AM, Richard Dale wrote: On Friday, March 25, 2011 03:01:43 PM Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Richard Dale wrote: On Monday, March 07, 2011 10:06:08 PM Arjan van de Ven wrote: Are you planning to support or implement a QSparql backend for EDS? I su

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Richard Dale
On Friday, March 25, 2011 03:01:43 PM Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Richard Dale > > wrote: > > On Monday, March 07, 2011 10:06:08 PM Arjan van de Ven wrote: > >> > Are you planning to support or implement a QSparql backend for EDS? > >> > >> I suspect we'll never see

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Richard Dale wrote: > On Monday, March 07, 2011 10:06:08 PM Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> > Are you planning to support or implement a QSparql backend for EDS? >> >> I suspect we'll never see QSparql in MeeGo the way things are going > > Disclaimer: I am a QSpar

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Richard Dale
On Friday, March 25, 2011 09:11:48 AM Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Richard Dale > > wrote: > > I personally think that the Nepomuk non-application specific integrated > > data approach could be a killer feature of MeeGo. In comparison iOS is > > completely > > Agree

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Richard Dale
On Friday, March 25, 2011 09:11:48 AM Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Richard Dale > > wrote: > > I personally think that the Nepomuk non-application specific integrated > > data approach could be a killer feature of MeeGo. In comparison iOS is > > completely > > Agree

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 12:19 +0200, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > This is actually quite good in my view, we have a proven working in > the wild implementation in "official" , while all other components are > still there to experiment with or showcase when they become mature > enough. This is certainly

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
This is actually quite good in my view, we have a proven working in the wild implementation in "official" , while all other components are still there to experiment with or showcase when they become mature enough. -Sivan On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24,

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Richard Dale wrote: > I personally think that the Nepomuk non-application specific integrated data > approach could be a killer feature of MeeGo. In comparison iOS is completely Agreed. Luckily tracker will still be there on the platform (as Marius stated earlie

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Richard Dale
On Thursday, March 24, 2011 06:20:52 PM zoltan@nokia.com wrote: > Hi Carsten, > > > From: carsten.m...@gmail.com [mailto:carsten.m...@gmail.com > > Sent: 24 March, 2011 09:08 > > Please also remember that if there is supposed to be a technology > > selection, your dispute document also has to

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread zoltan.kis
Hi Carsten, > From: carsten.m...@gmail.com [mailto:carsten.m...@gmail.com > Sent: 24 March, 2011 09:08 > Please also remember that if there is supposed to be a technology > selection, your dispute document also has to list people/companies > publically committed to the task of implementation/maint

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Carsten Munk wrote: > 2011/3/23  : >> Since lot of time was anyway lost on the subject, and it's an important >> subject, perhaps it would make sense to consecrate a wiki page to it, >> including the main use cases to be solved, the solutions proposed, the test >>

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > A quick note on meritocracies. > > Andrew Flegg wrote: >> According to Imad Sousou at the last TSG meeting[1], the MeeGo >> Technical Steering Group consists of two seats: >> >>   * Intel (Imad Sousou) >>   * Nokia (currently vacant aft

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Carsten Munk
2011/3/23 : > Since lot of time was anyway lost on the subject, and it's an important > subject, perhaps it would make sense to consecrate a wiki page to it, > including the main use cases to be solved, the solutions proposed, the test > data sets involved, test cases used for measuring the soluti

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: >> I'd also like to add that regardless of  way the new architectural >> decisions were made, he's communication of the decision was excellent > > I think the existence (and breadth) o

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Rob Staudinger
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 11:53 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > A quick note on meritocracies. > > Andrew Flegg wrote: > > According to Imad Sousou at the last TSG meeting[1], the MeeGo > > Technical Steering Group consists of two seats: > > > > * Intel (Imad Sousou) > > * Nokia (currently va

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread zoltan.kis
> From: Carsten Munk > Sent: 23 March, 2011 18:09 > I think this discussion and (passive?) agressiveness has gone on for > too long. I would propose that if you have a problem with decisions > made, present a dispute to the TSG stating your exact objections, > potential solutions to the issue and l

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Robin Burchell
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > I'd also like to add that regardless of  way the new architectural > decisions were made, he's communication of the decision was excellent I think the existence (and breadth) of this thread is clear evidence that it wasn't. Or did you skip

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Carsten Munk wrote: > Guys, > > I think this discussion and (passive?) agressiveness has gone on for too > long. I would propose that if you have a problem with decisions made, present > a dispute to the TSG stating your exact objections, potential solutions to

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Carsten Munk
On Wed Mar 23 2011 05:36:42 PM EET, Mathias Hasselmann wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2011, 08:41 + schrieb Andrew Flegg: > > However, it would be sensible to > > remember that this is a decision that Nokia's *board* took; not the > > employees of Nokia who were - and are - participating in

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Mathias Hasselmann
Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2011, 08:41 + schrieb Andrew Flegg: > However, it would be sensible to > remember that this is a decision that Nokia's *board* took; not the > employees of Nokia who were - and are - participating in MeeGo. The > latent hostility coming through from some !@nokia.com addre

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, A quick note on meritocracies. Andrew Flegg wrote: > According to Imad Sousou at the last TSG meeting[1], the MeeGo > Technical Steering Group consists of two seats: > > * Intel (Imad Sousou) > * Nokia (currently vacant after Valtteri Halla left Nokia) Companies typically don't have inh

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 09:20, wrote: > >> The latent hostility coming through from some !@nokia.com addresses is >> unbecoming. ^ > > Hostility? No, mostly confusion and question marks. Sorry for the confusion, please see the "!". I was trying to respond to Arj

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread zoltan.kis
> From: Andrew Flegg [mailto:afl...@gmail.com] > Sent: 23 March, 2011 10:42 > [1] http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego- > meeting.2011-03-18-14.58.html > [2] http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego- > meeting.2011-03-18-14.58.log.html#l-116 > - from 15:32 onwards

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday, 23 de March de 2011 08:41:35 Andrew Flegg wrote: > Imad also indicated that the TSG would grow - presumably in response > to Nokia's board's decision[3]. However, it would be sensible to The growing of the TSG is to give room for others making investments and shipping (or going to s

[MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 08:23, wrote: > > It looks like it was an internal Intel decision (or at least without Nokia). I > can't blame you on that, but if  the governance model changed in the > background, would you state that on meego.com, just to avoid fights coming > from false assumptions? A