Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Richard Dale richard.d...@telefonica.net wrote: I personally think that the Nepomuk non-application specific integrated data approach could be a killer feature of MeeGo. In comparison iOS is completely Agreed. Luckily tracker will still be there on the

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
This is actually quite good in my view, we have a proven working in the wild implementation in official , while all other components are still there to experiment with or showcase when they become mature enough. -Sivan On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 12:19 +0200, Sivan Greenberg wrote: This is actually quite good in my view, we have a proven working in the wild implementation in official , while all other components are still there to experiment with or showcase when they become mature enough. This is certainly a

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Richard Dale
On Friday, March 25, 2011 09:11:48 AM Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Richard Dale richard.d...@telefonica.net wrote: I personally think that the Nepomuk non-application specific integrated data approach could be a killer feature of MeeGo. In comparison iOS is

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Richard Dale
On Friday, March 25, 2011 09:11:48 AM Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Richard Dale richard.d...@telefonica.net wrote: I personally think that the Nepomuk non-application specific integrated data approach could be a killer feature of MeeGo. In comparison iOS is

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Richard Dale richard.d...@telefonica.net wrote: On Monday, March 07, 2011 10:06:08 PM Arjan van de Ven wrote: Are you planning to support or implement a QSparql backend for EDS? I suspect we'll never see QSparql in MeeGo the way things are going

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Richard Dale
On Friday, March 25, 2011 03:01:43 PM Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Richard Dale richard.d...@telefonica.net wrote: On Monday, March 07, 2011 10:06:08 PM Arjan van de Ven wrote: Are you planning to support or implement a QSparql backend for EDS? I suspect

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 3/25/2011 8:24 AM, Richard Dale wrote: On Friday, March 25, 2011 03:01:43 PM Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Richard Dale richard.d...@telefonica.net wrote: On Monday, March 07, 2011 10:06:08 PM Arjan van de Ven wrote: Are you planning to support or implement a

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
Hi Arjen, On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 17:30, Arjan van de Ven ar...@linux.intel.com wrote: I wouldn't have thought there was, but obviously the statement above from Arjan van de Ven concerned me. my concern is based on the (lack of) progress around QSparql in MeeGo. I'm sure it's all great in

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread David Greaves
On 25/03/11 09:11, Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Richard Dale richard.d...@telefonica.net wrote: I personally think that the Nepomuk non-application specific integrated data approach could be a killer feature of MeeGo. In comparison iOS is completely Agreed.

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Carsten Munk
2011/3/23 zoltan@nokia.com: Since lot of time was anyway lost on the subject, and it's an important subject, perhaps it would make sense to consecrate a wiki page to it, including the main use cases to be solved, the solutions proposed, the test data sets involved, test cases used for

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Hi, A quick note on meritocracies. Andrew Flegg wrote: According to Imad Sousou at the last TSG meeting[1], the MeeGo Technical Steering Group consists of two seats:   * Intel (Imad Sousou)   * Nokia (currently vacant

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote: 2011/3/23  zoltan@nokia.com: Since lot of time was anyway lost on the subject, and it's an important subject, perhaps it would make sense to consecrate a wiki page to it, including the main use cases to be solved, the

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread zoltan.kis
Hi Carsten, From: carsten.m...@gmail.com [mailto:carsten.m...@gmail.com Sent: 24 March, 2011 09:08 Please also remember that if there is supposed to be a technology selection, your dispute document also has to list people/companies publically committed to the task of

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Richard Dale
On Thursday, March 24, 2011 06:20:52 PM zoltan@nokia.com wrote: Hi Carsten, From: carsten.m...@gmail.com [mailto:carsten.m...@gmail.com Sent: 24 March, 2011 09:08 Please also remember that if there is supposed to be a technology selection, your dispute document also has to list

[MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 08:23, zoltan@nokia.com wrote: It looks like it was an internal Intel decision (or at least without Nokia). I can't blame you on that, but if  the governance model changed in the background, would you state that on meego.com, just to avoid fights coming from false

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday, 23 de March de 2011 08:41:35 Andrew Flegg wrote: Imad also indicated that the TSG would grow - presumably in response to Nokia's board's decision[3]. However, it would be sensible to The growing of the TSG is to give room for others making investments and shipping (or going to

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread zoltan.kis
From: Andrew Flegg [mailto:afl...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 March, 2011 10:42 [1] http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego- meeting.2011-03-18-14.58.html [2] http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego- meeting.2011-03-18-14.58.log.html#l-116 - from 15:32 onwards

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 09:20, zoltan@nokia.com wrote: The latent hostility coming through from some !@nokia.com addresses is unbecoming. ^ Hostility? No, mostly confusion and question marks. Sorry for the confusion, please see the !. I was trying to

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, A quick note on meritocracies. Andrew Flegg wrote: According to Imad Sousou at the last TSG meeting[1], the MeeGo Technical Steering Group consists of two seats: * Intel (Imad Sousou) * Nokia (currently vacant after Valtteri Halla left Nokia) Companies typically don't have

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Mathias Hasselmann
Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2011, 08:41 + schrieb Andrew Flegg: However, it would be sensible to remember that this is a decision that Nokia's *board* took; not the employees of Nokia who were - and are - participating in MeeGo. The latent hostility coming through from some !@nokia.com

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Carsten Munk
On Wed Mar 23 2011 05:36:42 PM EET, Mathias Hasselmann math...@openismus.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 23.03.2011, 08:41 + schrieb Andrew Flegg: However, it would be sensible to remember that this is a decision that Nokia's *board* took; not the employees of Nokia who were - and are -

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote: Guys, I think this discussion and (passive?) agressiveness has gone on for too long. I would propose that if you have a problem with decisions made, present a dispute to the TSG stating your exact objections, potential

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread zoltan.kis
From: Carsten Munk Sent: 23 March, 2011 18:09 I think this discussion and (passive?) agressiveness has gone on for too long. I would propose that if you have a problem with decisions made, present a dispute to the TSG stating your exact objections, potential solutions to the issue and let it

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Rob Staudinger
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 11:53 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, A quick note on meritocracies. Andrew Flegg wrote: According to Imad Sousou at the last TSG meeting[1], the MeeGo Technical Steering Group consists of two seats: * Intel (Imad Sousou) * Nokia (currently vacant after

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Robin Burchell virot...@viroteck.net wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: I'd also like to add that regardless of  way the new architectural decisions were made, he's communication of the decision was excellent I