Ps with the wire jumpers between 5 and 7 at the Klima compressor runs.
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On Jul 13, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
> You might try grounding the low pressure switch wire that goes to the KLIMA
> with the engine running. This should engage the compressor if the KLI
I will give that a try tomorrow. If it runs I assume it indicates what? The pbu
or wire between it and the switch is bad or wire to Klima is bad or what?
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On Jul 13, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
> You might try grounding the low pressure switch wire that goes to
You might try grounding the low pressure switch wire that goes to the
KLIMA with the engine running. This should engage the compressor if
the KLIMA is good as the only signal to the KLIMA from the PBCU is a
ground. If it does not come on, there is something wrong with the
KLIMA or circuit
Or you could drive it to California and really see how good of a job you did:)
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On Jul 13, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Seems to have worked too, I just took the car for 10 more miles and it
> behaved much more like it ought to, had all the get up and go I'd expec
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:33:37 -0600 Craig wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 19:33:18 -0500 Peter Frederick
> wrote:
>
> > Ye gods that's an old post!
How about a couple from "der Dieseling Doktor"?
From: Marshall Booth
To: die...@
I was something online about a failed Klima, having a couple of small relays
inside the box, remove the cover and clean the contacts. I pulled the cover off
this one and I do not see anything that looks like mini relays, it's all
computer circuit.
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On Jul 13, 2013, at 9:36 P
I had one clutch fail, but have had many klimas fail. This one has me baffled.
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On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The KLIMA Is probably bad -- the signal goes from the PBCU to the KLIMA to
>> the low pressure switch on the receiver/dryer
I checked for cont between the switch and pin 10 of Klima, it was good, pin 1
and ground, it was good, switch and pin 7 I believe of pbu it was good. Pin 13
at pbu is power I believe, if I put positive there and neg pin 7 I show less
than a volt, like .6 or something. I even ran a test wire dire
Car leasing, you only need to make it more or less last a couple years
and it can be dumped.
Peter
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I've only seen one failed KLIMA so far, but it was in the car where
the clutch coil shorted. Burned the internal relay contacts. They
can also start to leak and get corroded, but failure is no more common
than other failures in MB relays.
Peter
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Came across this interesting gray market 500SEL on CL tonight. What
caught my eye was the fact it's sitting so low at all for corners, I'm
guessing it has the full Hydropneumatic suspension option!
It would have to be earlier then '87 though, due to the heated seat
switch locations & style of the
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 19:33:18 -0500 Peter Frederick
wrote:
> Ye gods that's an old post!
I could have quoted one from 2000, but yours was the one that seemed to
fill the bill.
> Reminds me I need to check the clutch in the TE again, it's been
> running hot in traffic again. I put a clutch on
The KLIMA Is probably bad -- the signal goes from the PBCU to the
KLIMA to the low pressure switch on the receiver/dryer. If the
KLIMA relay has burned contact, it won't switch the compressor on no
matter what you do as the clutch current goes only through that
relay contact set.
Check the r
ATTAboy! Those linkages are not complex, but if the bellcrank
bushing under the intake manifold is worn, your go pedal won't make
it go!
So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx
myself but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D.
You'll remember tha
The OM601 was only in the US for '84 and '85 in the 190D. It had both an
electromagnetic fan clutch on the engine powered fan and an added electric fan
in front of the condenser which only comes on when the AC is on. See Dr. Fatty
here:
http://www.buyeuroparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1984-MERCE
Ye gods that's an old post!
If the fan spins much at all after the engine stops when hot, the
clutch has failed. Ditto for spinning up briefly when cold, as the
oil has to be spun out of the working space after sitting overnight.
Reminds me I need to check the clutch in the TE again, it's
The PBCU provides a ground to the voltage signal, so I suspect you
don't have voltage at the switch due to a failed wire somewhere
between the battery and the pressure switch.
I almost forgot -- some engines are equipped with a wide open throttle
switch to disconnect the AC compressor at fu
I wondered why they didn't put electric clutches on the larger engined
cars. They are pretty neat & perhaps offer better control of engine
temps with a defined on-off signal from the temp switch.
Looked at a W116 300SD for sale once. The owner said he had bolted the
fan to the clutch?, so it
I think if I remember correctly from my 190D, the main fan was engaged
at 100C & cut off once the temp lowered to around 90C-95C. High speed
aux was set to trigger at 110C. Perhaps you have a bad or incorrect temp
switch installed?
On 7/13/2013 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
As installed on
At 5:18 PM -0500 7/13/13, OK Don wrote:
If you are saying that the fan keeps turning after you shut off the engine,
then you are seeing the failure mode.
From another post this morning:
No, I tried stopping the fan with a rolled up newspaper, and it kept
going. The clutch seems to be working f
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 17:18:41 -0500 OK Don wrote:
> Oops - that quote should be attributed to Craig.
I was only the one who posted an old message to the list today. The quote
with source is:
==
From: Peter Frederick
To: Mercedes Discussion List
R
Tell that to my mother. She is the Auschwitz of cotton-tailed populations of
PNW. At least she takes them out in a japanese car. Costs less to fix it up
clay
On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:26 PM, MG wrote:
> Silly boy don't you know all those expensive repairs are to keep people from
> hitting any
Silly boy don't you know all those expensive repairs are to keep
people from hitting any bunnies. :-)
Manfred
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:01:24 -0700
From: clay
I attended a MBCA club event to the body shop. All the
gimcrackery hooked to the front bumpers of the newer cars will
turn a simpl
If you are saying that the fan keeps turning after you shut off the engine,
then you are seeing the failure mode.
>From another post this morning:
"Actually, the MB test for the fan clutch is even easier -- with engine
hot (so the clutch should be engaged), shut the engine off. If the fan
rotates
Oops - that quote should be attributed to Craig.
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 5:18 PM, OK Don wrote:
> If you are saying that the fan keeps turning after you shut off the
> engine, then you are seeing the failure mode.
> From another post this morning:
>
> "Actually, the MB test for the fan clutch i
Yeah. That's why I was thinking of the thermo as the first part
to change. If that doesn't work then the next easiest is the fan
clutch, then the radiator.
As far as the electro magnetic fan fan clutch. What year and
model car is that? I looked at the 190D with 601 and it showed
what looked t
Ah well that is what I was worrying about. I was hoping for more
like $140 to $160 range. As far as the turn on point as long as
it turned on in the 95 to 100 range it would be fine with me.
I already have a URO clutch on the way for $47 and a thermo for
$16. If that doesn't do it then I guess
Seems to have worked too, I just took the car for 10 more miles and it behaved
much more like it ought to, had all the get up and go I'd expect for 72hp.
I even ran the AC for the whole time and it still managed to climb the hill to
get back home. I have to go to California tomorrow, when I get
'First thing I did to my 123's and 126 when I got 'em home was to remove
that stiff coil spring in the "throttle" linage immediately behind the
engine that made the accelerator operation really stiff. Yeah, yeah, I
know, if MB engineers hadn't thought it was necessary, they wouldn't have
put i
At 2:31 PM -0400 7/13/13, Dan Penoff wrote:
Get to your closest RC hobby store (probably the same place you get
your model railroading supplies) and buy a bottle of synthetic
10,000 weight differential oil.
Remove the clutch, remove the bimetallic spring, and carefully lift
the pin out that i
ATTABOY acomin'.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Curt Raymond"
To: "Diesel List"
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 240D success!
So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself
but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 2
I have also tried about or 5 different klimas also. One out of my other 95 and
several out of 2.5 that I know work in those cars but do have the 12th pin for
temp sensor cutout that the 95 does not. I pulled the Klima apart and I do not
see anything that appears burned. In prep for the test it s
There were far too many black on black opportunities. Victor has a parchment
interior on black. Seats are pierced leather and could probably be retrofitted
to fan cooled. Early w220 had the seats, the w210s do not.
clay
On Jul 13, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 13,
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
wrote:
> With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do
> anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the
> other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the
> stop. I've yet
ATTABOY!!! This is a manual tranny car isn't it? If so, the spring loaded
thing in the accelerator linkage is to help prevent bunny hops when
starting from a dead stop - usually a problem for those not accomplished at
driving a standard, IIRC.
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote
Late model W140 would have been my choice instead of the W220. SWMBA wanted
newer, so I end up with those bells and whistles, instead of a properly
appointed ride. An expense and quality issue for me. The w220 just feels
cheezy compared to the w124. Fuzzy crap instead of MB-tex or leather in
The KLIMA Is probably bad -- the signal goes from the PBCU to the
KLIMA to the low pressure switch on the receiver/dryer. If the KLIMA
relay has burned contact, it won't switch the compressor on no matter
what you do as the clutch current goes only through that relay contact
set.
Check t
So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but
last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D. You'll remember thats
the one where the exhaust was blowing the coolant back out of the engine. Some
of the bolts were still tight but some needed a little more,
There are usually two sets of wires -- one for a low refrigerant
pressure switch (to save the compressor if the freon leaks out) and a
pressure or temperature switch to kick the auxillary fan in on low
speed. If you short the two wires for the fan switch together with
the ignition on and t
I am really amazed at the visibility the R107 has with the top down. Sitting
in a few other newer drop tops, the rear is too high to see out of.
clay
On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 A
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM, clay wrote:
> There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on
> this car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the
> gee-gaws, my car is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled
> seats, massaging chairs, heated r
There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on this
car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the gee-gaws, my car
is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled seats, massaging chairs,
heated rear chairs, rear controlled AC, automagic window and
In light of the recent traffic on cooling systems and fan clutches ...
==
From: Peter Frederick
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quick fix for freewheeling fan clutch
Date: Mon,
I have one that I guess is the official tool it's a pair of long pliers you put
the bushing on one side, put it over the lever squeeze the pliers and it pops
right in, takes just a second to do.
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On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:37 PM, OK Don wrote:
> I actually found my shifter bush
I have been jacking around with this 95 e300 for a couple of weeks. Ac is
charged and compressor kicks in when 5 and 7 at Klima are jumped. I have run
thru test in manual and my suspect is pbu not working because I am not getting
12 volts at the pressure switch or what is it pin 10 on tr Klima?
Hi Gang,
Well, I made the special tool ya'll described touse to install the
grommet into the shift lever. After 3 hours of watching the grommet
mushroom as I put more and more pressure on it ,I finally gave up. I
don't know what I was doing wrong but after 3 hours I decided this was
not g
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:33:21 -0400 Rich Thomas
wrote:
> Yeah I am going to go do that later this afternoon, looks like maybe
> the rain has stopped for awhile. I was all confused...
Don't worry about it, it happens to us all.
Craig
> On 7/13/13 12:47 PM, Craig wrote:
> > On Mon, 08 Jul 2
Get to your closest RC hobby store (probably the same place you get your model
railroading supplies) and buy a bottle of synthetic 10,000 weight differential
oil.
Remove the clutch, remove the bimetallic spring, and carefully lift the pin out
that is underneath. Spend a few hours dripping oil i
At 12:41 PM -0500 7/13/13, OK Don wrote:
Hmmm - I replaced the original with a new one, should be in the records, if
Kaleb gave them to you. Long out of warranty though ---
(nods) Was running close to the red line yesterday in stop and go
traffic (temps outside a bit above 90), so I did the ne
Hmmm - I replaced the original with a new one, should be in the records, if
Kaleb gave them to you. Long out of warranty though ---
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:54 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote:
> At 9:29 AM -0500 7/13/13, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote:
>
>> At 9:41 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote:
>>
>>
Yeah I am going to go do that later this afternoon, looks like maybe the
rain has stopped for awhile. I was all confused...
--R
On 7/13/13 12:47 PM, Craig wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:29:17 -0400 Rich Thomas
wrote:
On 7/8/13 7:53 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
Rich,
You better check th
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Joe Sasser wrote:
> Gotta go searching now, I hear the West Coast calling for affordable w140s.
>
>
It sure is! I live near Portland and have family in the SF Bay area, so I
have a good excuse to search Craigslist down there---if I find a nice
candidate I can fly
Thanks everyone who responded to my query about experiences with either or both
S classes.
Seems the consensus is that the w140 is the way to go, even though (at least to
me) the w220 is just jam packed with features some of which are now standard on
Kia!
Gotta go searching now, I hear the Wes
As a student of history, I recall there was a time when public flogging and
a turn in the public stocks with a sign over your head stating your sin
against humanity was not considered either cruel or unusual, but the
standard of society.
Have we now out civilized ourselves to the point of self des
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:29:17 -0400 Rich Thomas
wrote:
> On 7/8/13 7:53 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
> > Rich,
> >You better check that spec again2mm is way too loose.
> >
> > Mike
>
> The section on setting the slop (33-300) says "Place tester on front
> wheel hub and set dial guage t
> > > At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote:
> > >
> > > The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator --
> > M. Mitchell Marmel wrote:
> >
> > Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are
> > for the fan?
> Dave wrote:
>
> Looked into this awhile back for my W123s. Cle
The section on setting the slop (33-300) says "Place tester on front
wheel hub and set dial guage to approx. 2mm preload" but then it says
under Data "Wheel bearing end play 0.01-0.02" with no units
--R
On 7/8/13 7:53 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
Rich,
You better check that spec again.
An old friend sent this around, it might be internet BS but he does know
a lot of people who know a lot of people with military/intel/aviation
backgrounds, so I tend to think it is probably closer to true than not.
But YMMV.
--R
For how many years did we hear some of this in CRM? From a
At 9:29 AM -0500 7/13/13, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote:
At 9:41 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote:
Secret message to MMM - how is the car doing, other than a potential
heating issue, if I'm reading between the lines correctly about the aux
fan???
Just checked the fan clutch. So shot, it ain't funny.
On Jul 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, "Curt Raymond" wrote:
> Dr. Fatty has an early 617 URO fan clutch for $80, the later is a Behr which
> is $300+
Autohaus AZ has the behr for 160. Benzpartsforless has oe for 300 something.
Rick
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I don't think high temps at speed is a bad fan clutch, once you're up to speed
the ram air through the radiator means the fan isn't doing a whole lot.
High temps at low speeds is possibly the fan clutch...
-Curt
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:49:22 -0400
From: MG
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: R
Untrue, 601 uses an electromagnetic fan clutch as previously discussed.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:33:34 -0400
From: MG
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
Message-ID: <51e13b0e.50...@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Did some more
Probably not...
They're VERY rare and command some money. New they're like $300+.
As installed on a 601 I've never been really happy with them as they don't turn
on until the engine is quite hot. I've thought about sneaking a lower temp
sensor (there are 3, one for the gauge, one for the fan cl
At 9:41 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote:
Secret message to MMM - how is the car doing, other than a potential
heating issue, if I'm reading between the lines correctly about the aux
fan???
Choogling along nicely. Have repainted in Astral Silver.
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On Jul 12, 2013, at 9:21 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote:
> At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote:
>> The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator --
>
> Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are for the fan?
>
> -MMM-
Looked into this awhile back for my W123s. Cleane
All I could see for the 190s is the all electric fan, no clutch
there at all.
Have been having slightly higher then normal temps in the summer
ever since I did a cooling system flush and installed a new
thermostat (up to 100 at first and 110 now in Fl with AC at high
speeds or around town wit
Did some more looking. Looks like the 601-602 have a completely
electric fan. I wanted to try and find a fan with an electric
clutch like the AC compressor that would bolt to the water pump
in place of the viscous coupling there now. Don't know if there
is one like that on any of the Mercedes m
Allan Streib wrote:
Ho Lee F** indeed!!! And people in the media wonder why nobody takes
them seriously anymore??
The NTSB was the source of the list. Too bad nobody at KTVU thinks when they
read news items.
Some friends of mine got fired from their internships for emailing each other
unfl
Yeah I thought of putting in an all electric fan, even have two
different ones to try but I wanted to explore the possibility of
using a part that fit right in. If none of the 617s ever had an
electric fan clutch then I will be on the lookout for one on the
601 in the upull. Do you know if that
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