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That's the one you drove here in Charlotte, right?
Mitch.
> On January 29, 2017 at 1:49 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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Sure is. About 1600 miles round trip. It was flawless the whole way there and
back other than having no AC and it was awful hot on the return trip. The check
engine light came on the day after we go back...
-Curt
That's the one you drove here in Charlotte, right?
Mitch.
> On January 29, 2017 at 1:49 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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> Well I don't know what he's upset about, the Jetta is one of my favorite
> cars. Its small, quick and frugal to operate. I realized
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It's very likely that you have a German sprite, a
> On January 28, 2017 5:11:28 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
> >I don't remember if I mentioned it but the alternator quit in my '98
> >Jetta on the way home from work Wednesday.Today I picked up and
> >installed a used one, PITA job, the engine bay is tight
Nope. Pretty sure I either screwed up the seal or the tension spring popped
off or it is just a bad one. I just did the axles so pretty sure I screwed
up the drivers side. Will be ordering a new one and repairing it next week.
Bummer.
Kyle
On Jan 29, 2017 8:42 AM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes"
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Bravo on the repair! Used alternator, right? Cost?
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On January 28, 2017 5:11:28 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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Not that I know of. Last I knew (yesterday) Kyle was hard at work
replacing the rear wheel bearings.
Manfred
Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
Is there a new thread about Kyle's leaking diff?
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Bravo on the repair! Used alternator, right? Cost?
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On January 28, 2017 5:11:28 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:
>I don't remember if I mentioned it but the alternator quit in my '98
>Jetta on the way home from work
Is there a new thread about Kyle's leaking diff?
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On January 28, 2017 5:21:58 PM EST, Kyle Arola via Mercedes
wrote:
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>Now if my rear diff leak settles out We can both be happy! Hahaha!
>
>Kyle
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I think this is the real reason. An alt does not need to be "flashed"
like a generator.
But I like the Bavarian Elf story better!
Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Another possibility is that the brushes and commutator were a bit dirty and
spinning it cleaned them up.
Mitch.
I never heard of a car alternator needing remagnetizing, but it seems to happen
a lot with portable gensets that have sat for years. I'm guessing that a car
alternator is battery excited and not subject to this problem, maybe
Dan/Jim/Craig could chime in here.
Another possibility is that the
It is easy! The bavarian elves got lost in the shipment, so it didn't
work when first installed. By the time you needed to move it, the elves
had been reunited with the alt, and went back to work on demand.
(Ok, I have been thinking of the Usinger's elves and I am still laughing
about
Probably a tired exciter circuit... You got it a little hot and bothered
and all is good with her now...
Happy for you!
Now if my rear diff leak settles out We can both be happy! Hahaha!
Kyle
On Jan 28, 2017 5:11 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"
wrote:
> I don't
I don't remember if I mentioned it but the alternator quit in my '98 Jetta on
the way home from work Wednesday.Today I picked up and installed a used one,
PITA job, the engine bay is tight and I think the alternator was probably
original at 279,000 miles. These have an interesting one way
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:37:46 -0400 Gerry Archer
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote
Gerry wrote:
Can someone tell me where the wire from the buss to the battery
connects to the positive battery cable so I can check it's
continuity and clean the connection?
Better - or more accurate - than measuring continuity is to measure
voltage drop. After starting the engine (so the
I was under the impression running an alternator with no battery was a great
way to kill an alternator...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 21:25:08 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
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From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com
Yep, slipsies might introduce more questions than answers. Just make the
240D bare posts, and set up the jumpers. If you get 13.7 when the 300 D is
running, then look at the battery in the 300D closer.
You really
charging issue.
From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
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I do have heavy cables but won't be using them to start the 300D. I'll
on the battery for excitation of its
field windings, and a battery with a high resistance cell will normally
cause the alternator to not charge.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator
The (bad?) battery still starts the car, so I'll use it for starting. The
jumpers will only carry the current from the alternator to the good battery
and vice versa.
From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
If you are saying you are going to use your jumper cables in between the
240 battery
an alternator with no battery was a great
way to kill an alternator...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 21:25:08 -0400
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I do have heavy cables but won't
Gerry,
We now have three NEW threads discussing your '83 300D alternator,
one with the subject [MBZ] . Alternator question '83 300D
one with the subject [MBZ] .. Alternator question '83 300D
one with the subject [MBZ] ... Alternator question '83 300D
That causes problems with people
: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 10:49 AM
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Mr. Hattaway, maybe you should not assume folks are stupid. Been a
mechanic over 25 years. You try starting even a good starting Diesel with
the average set of cables people use these days and a bad battery
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Mike
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That is exactly it.
Mike
On Sep 4, 2013 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud
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The (bad?) battery still starts the car, so I'll use it for starting. The
jumpers will only
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That is exactly it.
Mike
On Sep 4, 2013 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think it was Please be accurate and thoughtful with your posts before
making some
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
That is exactly it.
Mike
On Sep 4, 2013 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think it was Please be accurate and thoughtful with your posts
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
Mr. Hattaway, maybe you should not assume folks are stupid. Been a
mechanic over 25 years. You try starting even a good starting Diesel with
the average set of cables people use these days and a bad battery and you
are going to burn up the cables
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Mike,
I don't assume someone is stupid.? If you re-read your comment, the one I
reacted to, you will find
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If you are saying you are going to use your jumper cables in between the
240 battery and the 300 cables and starter yhen you
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Has anyone ever seen a fire from jumper cables in anything other than
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That is exactly it.
Mike
On Sep 4, 2013 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think it was Please be accurate and thoughtful with your posts before
making some
Thanks to Rick, Richard, and Loren for your advice; and to Fred for the
connector which arrived in good order. Going to wire it up and try it
again. If the connector wasn't the problem, will put a good regulator in
and try it. If that doesn't work, will chuck the 3 used alternators in the
] Alternator question '83 300D
I would be on top of getting that battery exchanged first. If only one
cell boiled dry it may be defective and damaging regulators somehow
Mike
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I would be on top of getting that battery exchanged first. If only one
cell boiled dry it may be defective and damaging regulators somehow
Mike
On Sep 3, 2013 10:29 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
Thanks to Rick, Richard, and Loren for your advice; and to Fred for the
up cables, etc. Someone here might think you know what
you're talking about.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
Thanks to Rick, Richard, and Loren for your advice; and to Fred for the
connector which arrived
from somebody else and waited around when the second set was warm too the car
started...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
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That's a good idea, Richard. I'll put the 240D and the 300D side by side
and jumper with all the cables off. I know the 240D battery is good.
Batteries are both group 49.
Thanks,
Gerry
From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com
Like everybody else has said, please change the battery
If you are saying you are going to use your jumper cables in between the
240 battery and the 300 cables and starter yhen you better have a big set
of cables. Like welding cable. Otherwise you will burn them up and not
answer your question. Better to just swap out the batteries and see if the
, 2013 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
Ever try to start a car where the battery in the car is dead? It takes a
helluva lot of current to get a car started. Normal battery cables are so short
they don't have to be all that thick. Now you want to run from one car to
another
Richard wrote:
In fact, what will probably happen is the alternator will begin
charging the newly introduced battery since the questionable one
was run dry, thus has a high resistance cell eliminating the
ability for the battery to be charged by the alternator.
If the battery has high
Gerry wrote:
Can someone tell me where the wire from the buss to the battery
connects to the positive battery cable so I can check it's
continuity and clean the connection?
Better - or more accurate - than measuring continuity is to measure
voltage drop. After starting the engine (so the
I do have heavy cables but won't be using them to start the 300D. I'll
start the 300D with its battery and then disconnect it and hook the 300D
cables to the jumpers and the other end of the jumpers to the disconnected
240D battery. There will probably be a voltage drop but I should be able
Don't do this, you are likely to blow the diodes in the alternator by
running it without the battery connected!
If you want to see if it charges the other battery, install the
battery in the car.
If the battery boiled out, even one cell, either it was charging at
far too high a voltage,
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 21:23:28 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
wrote:
Don't do this, you are likely to blow the diodes in the alternator by
running it without the battery connected!
What he said.
If you run the car with the battery disconnected, you are likely to
damage your
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Don't do this, you are likely to blow the diodes in the alternator by
running it without the battery connected!
If you want to see if it charges the other battery, install the battery
in the car.
If the battery boiled out, even one cell, either
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alternator question '83 300D
I do have heavy cables but won't be using them to start the 300D. I'll
start the 300D with its battery and then disconnect it and hook the 300D
cables to the jumpers
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:37:46 -0400 Gerry Archer
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
..
What I thought about doing was putting the jumpers between the
batteries just like I was jumpstarting the car. Then I start the car
with the questionable battery/alternator. Leaving
with a high resistance cell will normally cause
the alternator to not charge.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:20 PM
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Richard wrote:
In fact, what
at one.
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On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:37:46 -0400 Gerry Archer
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote
Sorry to interrupt this ongoing discussion about Rusty and Trent and Gary,
but I have a question about the alternator on my '83 300D.
There are three wires coming out of the alternator. Service Manual SM-1243
shows that the two heavy wires, same color, are common inside the
alternator. It
Gerry wrote:
Also, where is the ground strap from the frame to the engine/transmission?
Under the drivers side.
Here is a picture.
http://db.tt/6tliKmON
Rick Knoble
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From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
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Sorry to interrupt this ongoing discussion about
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