Only way I could get brakes on the 85 107 was pressure bleeding from
each wheel cyl. The ABS kept it from bleeding top down, but I could
bleed the SDL with the same ABS by gravity. I figgered something was
stuck in the ABS unit?
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 5/24/19 1:15 PM:
Ok,
Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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> > It's rained in MA every week since last
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> It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much we've
> exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the kind of
> weather
> that makes people mov
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> Come to SC. We’re in a drought
>
> --FT
No, no! Come to New Mexico!
Craig
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> > It's rained in MA every week since last
DC had a wet April but May has been pretty dry.
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> Come to SC. We’re in a drought
>
> --FT
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> > On May 27, 2019, at 2:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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Come to SC. We’re in a drought
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> On May 27, 2019, at 2:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much we've
> exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the kind of
> weather that makes
It's rained in MA every week since last June. I don't know how much we've
exceeded our yearly totals by but it's got to be feet. It's the kind of weather
that makes people move to California. I was in California a couple weeks ago
and it rained a little.Right now I'm in Italy and, you guessed it
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
>
> I just had no idea the rear
I have a Chevy van that has hydro boost. I
have to really stand on the brakes to make
them stop. Someone told me it may be a
problem with either the spring in the hydro
boost itself or a low pressure problem in the
power steering pump which is where the hydro
boost get it's power from. Never
I just had no idea the rears made than much difference. Now I know.
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> On May 25, 2019, at 4:27 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> YEAHH !!
>
> Glad it's finally working as it should
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@o
YEAHH !!
Glad it's finally working as it should
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 2:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and got
> under it to adjust them. The right one was way loose and took a lot to
2 reliable trucks. I was down the road today as there were a lot of folks
gathered. The fire dept was bringing a boat across to evacuate people who
wanted to go. Water came up last night and as starting to get close to the
neighbors house next door which is about 1/4 mile away. He is seriously
Excellent!
Now you’ve got a reliable truck to get you out of the flood. Just don’t let
Regina drive it….
-D
> On May 25, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and got under
> it to adjust them. The right o
Well I couldn’t stand it anymore so I went out and jacked it up and got under
it to adjust them. The right one was way loose and took a lot to tighten them
up. The left side was not too bad so not sure why they were different. Maybe I
had already turned the one side out a little. Anyway took abo
Ahhh... forget all the chatter about vac booster then. If you have
hydro boost, your brake pressure should be about 3 times as much as vac
boost and the brake system should stand you on your nose with engine
running.
Hydro boost takes hydraulic pressure from power steering pump. Which still
doe
Rural water, septic. No well water
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> On May 25, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> Kaleb sez:
>
>
>> After the huge rain last night water is on the rise again and they are
>> shutting off the water at noon
>
>
> Huh. I thought you were on well
Hey at least you didnt have a foot of snow on Wednesday like my Sister.
Mammoth also had 29" in May. There is a lot of water falling out of the sky
all over the country.
On Sat, May 25, 2019, 11:23 AM Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> Mitch wrote:
> > Last weekend they s
Kaleb sez:
>After the huge rain last night water is on the rise again and they are
>shutting off the water at noon
Huh. I thought you were on well and septic.
Rick
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I generally start mowing in March.
Hard to mow when the deck digs into the soil
The only good thing about is the farmer across the corner planted crimson
clover as a cover crop and couldn't get it sprayed to pla
Mitch wrote:
> Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall already.
A video yesterday talked about Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) affects -
yeah, weather.
Is this new stuff? - or, does everyone know all about this?
Or, we need to hear from our LANL science guy - Craig??
tin
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> On May 25, 2019 at 1:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant
> flooded out.
Last weekend they said we had 4.3" of our 2.3" average May rainfall already.
This has been a wet week, I'm sure we're well over 5
Oh yea today the red brake light stayed off.
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> On May 25, 2019, at 12:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
> If the water does not actually get shut off I may try to tackle it later. I
> just don’t want to get all greasy then not have a way to clean up afterward.
>
> Sent fro
If the water does not actually get shut off I may try to tackle it later. I
just don’t want to get all greasy then not have a way to clean up afterward.
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> On May 25, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> We have had a wet spring here, but nothing li
We have had a wet spring here, but nothing like having the water plant flooded
out.
When you get a chance, adjust the rear shoes and I think you will have proper
brakes. They only self-adjust when you are backing up and stopping, so it can
take a very long time for them to self-adjust, and t
This truck does not have a vacuum booster, it is hydro boost
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> On May 25, 2019, at 12:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Kaleb,
> Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a great
> video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a boo
Kaleb,
Here is a youtube vid on how to check your vac booster. It's not a great
video, but it shows what to look for, mostly, if you have a booster that is
leaking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSbdVdmPu0c
Also have a look at this, if any of the items on list fits your symptoms,
it may indicate
That sucks! I guess when I get a generator, I need to put it on floats so
it can power our well. We are near the top of a ridge so don't have a
flooding problem for the most part. We only got one inch last night.
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 11:55 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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I had to abandon the project for now. After the huge rain last night water is
on the rise again and they are shutting off the water at noon. I finished up
the oil, trans, and transfer case fluid chance then needed to come in and take
a shower while we still have water. I then spent the last 2 ho
> On May 25, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> No it always seems to go down the same distance.
>
In my experience, I can 'pump up' a loose drum brake mechanism, but I can't
'pump up' an air pocket.
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On May 25, 2019, at 2:33 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>> Kaleb wrote:
>
>> When I pump the pedal it does return but
>> its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal.
>
> Does the pedal end up higher if you pump it? That is, one press
> on the pedal and yo
Differential pressure switch in the brake proportioning valve (under the truck
somewhere) that is telling you that there is no pressure in the rear circuit --
due to the shoes not contacting the drums most likely.
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> Kaleb wrote:
> What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake
> warning light in the cluster. It comes on when the parking
> brake is set.
That is a lamp test and a "don't forget to release the parking
brake" notice.
> Also, when I was pushing the pedal the other day
> it was of
> Kaleb wrote:
> When I pump the pedal it does return but
> its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal.
Does the pedal end up higher if you pump it? That is, one press
on the pedal and you say it goes down 3/4 of the way to the
floor. If you pump it 3-6 times does it get up to
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:44:07 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
wrote:
> I suspect a brake proportioning valve turns the dash light on when the
> brake pressures are out of balance.
>
> http://www.classicperform.com/Instructions/PDF/PVK.pdf
A vehicle I had a long time ago had one of these which r
Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 10:36 PM
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> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
>
> Must be the back since they are not properly adjusted yet.
>
> What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake warning lig
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
>
> Must be the back since they are not properly adjusted yet.
>
> What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake warning light in
> the
> cluster. It comes on when the parking brake
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The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost bra
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
>
> The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather than the
> vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s not expensive or
> hard
> to replace so I will prob
That could be my problem then. I will tackle that tomorrow. I had just
expected the brakes to work OK with the fronts working until the rears
adjusted out.
On 5/24/2019 5:38 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
You won't have a pedal until you get the rear brakes adjusted. Drum brake
c
You won't have a pedal until you get the rear brakes adjusted. Drum brake
cylinders are pretty big, and unlike disk brakes, the shoes retract completely
every application.
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On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc
> brakes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>
> >>
Ok thanks. As I said, I hate drum brakes and have not messed with them in many
years
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> On May 24, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I asked my mechanic son about your problem and if there was anything special
> about a 96 Chevy.
>
> He said not.
I asked my mechanic son about your problem and if there was anything
special about a 96 Chevy.
He said not. He agreed that you need to tighten up the rear shoes to the
point where they drag a bit.
He said that even if the front brakes were fine before you started
working on the rear brakes,
I seem to recall something about a tool, I may end up having to get one.
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> On May 24, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I know my 99 Suburban needed some special tool to bleed the brakes...
> something to open up the valves in the ABS unit. Its
The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather than the
vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s not expensive or hard
to replace so I will probably replace it.
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> On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I'm gl
I know my 99 Suburban needed some special tool to bleed the brakes...
something to open up the valves in the ABS unit. Its one of the few things
I've ever farmed out to a local shop. He replaced all the lines, wheel
cylinders, and calipers. The bleed screws were frozen and it was cheap to
get ne
I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue.
Which leads me to this:
If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is
leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, just
a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum booster
be
It’s not new, I have no idea how old it is. It’s possible it got sucked dry but
I would think after adding new fluid and getting clear bubble free flow at all
of the wheels the air should be out, but I could be wrong.
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> On May 24, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
My 96 Silverado has rear drums, I had to replace the cylinders a year or
so ago as one was leaking badly, I just ran the adjuster until the shoes
were tight against the drum then went and did the back and forth thing.
They settled in quick.
--FT
On 5/24/19 3:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercede
The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that is why
o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or tomorrow
then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have air on the
lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s b
"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes:
> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove
> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure?
If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before
installing.
If it got low enough on fluid to suck
This is a 96 and it has drums. I think rear disk stated with the next body. My
02 has them.
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> On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> What year is it?
> Later years went to disc I think after 1995 for chebby. so a 96 and up
> diff would fit with
I think you put the adjustment tool in a little slot in the backer plate
to push on the toothed wheel on the adjuster? If the drum is on you
can't get at it. The wheel should not interfere unless it makes it
easier to get at the back of the brake assembly
--FT
On 5/24/19 3:26 PM, Kaleb Stri
In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If they
don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the
drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you never
had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the
dru
What year is it?
Later years went to disc I think after 1995 for chebby. so a 96 and up
diff would fit with discs.
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc
> brakes
>
>
I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc brakes
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On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>> I hate drum brakes.
>
> IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their
> quirks and limitations. My favorite part is tha
> I hate drum brakes.
IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their
quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need boosters
to get good braking.
-- Jim
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I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess I
could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still looked
good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I
hate drum brakes.
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> On May 24, 2019, a
If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters.
If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel,
then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First
couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with
no drag.
OR,
Find
If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove
that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure?
On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them
adjust out on their own.
On 5/24
Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them adjust
out on their own.
On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my
next move.
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Max
Charleston SC
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM
So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my
next move.
-
Max
Charleston SC
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit,
> then did all
Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit,
then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran
about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no
bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking.
Pedal goes prob
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> Subject: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
>
> I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes,
> hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back
I will have to pump it and see what it does
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On May 22, 2019, at 10:02 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>> Kaleb wrote:
>
>> ... it just feels like it has no
>> brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I
>> am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the w
> Kaleb wrote:
> I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions and
> when the screws are open at the wheels the fluid sort of just
> runs out, not under a great deal of pressure shooting out like I
> am used to when opening it when having the pedal pressed.
The pedal develops a _lot_
> Kaleb wrote:
> ... it just feels like it has no
> brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I
> am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but
> I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor.
If there is not resistance for the slave cylinders to pu
That 2nd video helps. I will do that procedure tomorrow and see what
happens.
On 5/22/2019 7:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
Not sure what year you have. These might help.
https://youtu.be/jdiOlEKTqrE
https://youtu.be/AV9kX_qc0HQ
Rick
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Well, it's not a Mercedes --- cut your losses and sell it as "ran when
parked" ...
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:52 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> This seems to be getting more complicated that I thought with the ABS
> system on this truck. I am not sure if I sho
This seems to be getting more complicated that I thought with the ABS
system on this truck. I am not sure if I should just go ahead and
replace the MC or not for good measure. If indeed the ABS system does
need to be bled, it seems like a complicated procedure that requires a
scan tool that I
Work the pedal while u flush it. Maybe sucked air in from reservoir to the
mc.
On Wed, May 22, 2019, 5:08 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> PS I ran about 1.5 qt thru the system, but I guess I need to get some
> more brake fluid.
>
> On 5/22/2019 7:06 PM, Kaleb C
Not sure what year you have. These might help.
https://youtu.be/jdiOlEKTqrE
https://youtu.be/AV9kX_qc0HQ
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PS I ran about 1.5 qt thru the system, but I guess I need to get some
more brake fluid.
On 5/22/2019 7:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
The bleed screws on the fronts are on top as are the rear wheel
cylinders. I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions
and when the
The bleed screws on the fronts are on top as are the rear wheel
cylinders. I had the bleeder pressured up to 20 per the instructions
and when the screws are open at the wheels the fluid sort of just runs
out, not under a great deal of pressure shooting out like I am used to
when opening it whe
I have never had one before, just invested in one.
On 5/22/2019 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best labor
saving devices ever invented.
-D
On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
wrote:
Yea it pretty
You still have air in there. If it has abs, be sure there is not a bleeder
screw on that pump somewhere. The MC is probably fine. Be sure any calipers
are on right side up; if the bleed screws are not on the top then the sides
are switched and it will never firm up. You should run quarts of brake
f
Should have used the pressure bleeder first. That is one of the best labor
saving devices ever invented.
-D
> On May 22, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet the
> mc was flakey anyway then finished
Yea it pretty much goes to the floor with very little resistance. I bet the mc
was flakey anyway then finished it off pushing it all the way to the floor
bleeding it (wife)
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> On May 22, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> If you pumped the brakes all th
If you pumped the brakes all the way to the floor there’s a chance you damaged
the cups on the piston in the master cylinder. Never, ever press a brake pedal
all the way to the floor when bleeding.
Does it just go straight to the floor or does it bleed down somewhat slowly
with your foot on the
I have been working on the brakes on my Suburban. All new brake shoes,
hardware, and wheel cylinders on the back. Brakes were weak before but
were OK, which I attributed to the leaking rear wheel cylinders. I put
everthing back together and started doing the old fashioned bleeding
with pushi
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