Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Buy another one and put it on the shelf to ensure this one lasts forever. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: After going to Lowe’s last night, 2 farm stores, a hardware store today, and finally a 2nd Lowe’s I was finall

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:36:56 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Put some duct tape on the breaker to keep it closed.  This is the > rental house right? For breakers which are built correctly, that won't work. The internal mechanism trips and then moves the external handle. > Feb 11,

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
After going to Lowe’s last night, 2 farm stores, a hardware store today, and finally a 2nd Lowe’s I was finally able to find a breaker. I finished installing it a little while ago then cranked up the thermostat so the aux heat would kick in. I let it run for about 20-30 minutes and it didn’t tri

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
If you were to plot the current draw vs. time on the resistance heater, I bet it's quite a bit higher in the first few seconds and drops off as the elements heat up. Maybe put in a "slow trip" breaker designed for loads that have an initial surge of current close to the limit, but then drop off. T

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Put some duct tape on the breaker to keep it closed.  This is the rental house right? Max Dillon Charleston SC Feb 11, 2021 5:56:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of time > it trips. I will shut down the system and swap

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’m confident out payback would have been 5-7 years at most. The original owner cheaped out on the HVAC in the place, as it was really undersized. As a result if was horribly inefficient and expensive. A lot of stratification between floors, poor distribution, etc., all resulted in gas (heating)

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
What is your underground component? Drilled well? We need to replace the boiler here, considering geothermal but at double the price I'm not sure it's worth it. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 1:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Our total energy bill decreased

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The regional differences are interesting, I've never lived anywhere that didn't have hydronic heat. The apartment we lived in had natural gas but everywhere else has been oil.Our new farmhouse is oil fired hot air. If I were going to live in it in the winter I would explore converting to hydroni

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Our total energy bill decreased enough to break even from the installation/purchase expenses of the geothermal unit in a little under seven years. We're saving money now. Love it. On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My HVAC guy in Indiana was

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
My HVAC guy in Indiana was insistent that I replace my poorly sized 80,000 BTU gas furnace and 4 ton AC unit for a 4,000 SF house with geothermal. Up front cost was around $11k but he was insistent my monthly energy bill would be $100 or less, regardless of the season and condition. Had we stay

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Geothermal will do a lot better than a regular heat pump. There is more heat under the ground than in the air when temperatures are that cold. I've never lived in a house that had anything other than a natural gas furnace for primary heat. Allan OK Don via Mercedes writes: > Our geothermal hea

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Our geothermal heat pump has been doing fine so far - it's 12°F here now - hasn't turned on the resistive strips yet. It's supposed to get to -7 Monday so that will be a real test. The house is a "modular home", code for a gussy'd up double wide, 1600 sq. ft., and leaky. On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 9:

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Our wood stove is a Jotul 118 which is a big stove, it'll accept 24" wood. It's in the basement which is usually considered a negative but our house is small enough (just over 900sqft) that it heats the whole place pretty well although the bedroom stays pretty cool. I set the oil burner thermos

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-12 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
We have a Jotul wood insert which is outstanding. Its been cold, under freezing for a few days for the most part. I heat with my minisplits and the wood insert, but the large 3 zone split stopped working earlier this week. This meant we were running with one 12k split on one end of the house and

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
If you're going to work on cars too, get one that can measure DC current as well. My Fluke can measure glow plug current, starter current... Costs more. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscr

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Made a trip to town to the local farm store, they of course were out of them. Drove to the nearest Lowe’s 30 minutes away and of course they were out as well. A different Lowe’s had them but I guess I will go there tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin wr

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I had a wood stove I put in our old Victorian in Melrose. I put it in a corner in the kitchen in the back of the house and used the old cook stove chimney. It was a cheap knockoff if a Vermont Castings stove i got at the building materials surplus store for like $150. There was a back stairway

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Actually it does have an insert, with a blower etc and it will throw out a lot of heat. I just hate messing with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >  > A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the heat > of the fire shoot

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I have this one: https://www.harborfreight.com/cm610a-600a-t-rms-acdc-clamp-meter-64015.htmlWicked handy, a million household uses. I bought it specifically to troubleshoot the glowplug on the ASV. It proved that it at least draws current. It also helped me find a bad connection in the solar a

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
A fireplace is about the least efficient device imaginable, most of the heat of the fire shoots up the chimney. A small insert stove would dramatically increase the heat output. It'd be cleaner too since it would have a door that would be closed. Wood is still a messy way to heat. I've had our

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Hmmm, ok? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > If there's a Harbor Freight nearby pick up one of these. > > https://www.harborfreight.com/cm200a-200a-fork-style-clamp-meter-64016.html > > I saw a review on YouTube compare to a similar Flu

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
If there's a Harbor Freight nearby pick up one of these. https://www.harborfreight.com/cm200a-200a-fork-style-clamp-meter-64016.html I saw a review on YouTube compare to a similar Fluke. Had slower response time and build quality was not as robust, but was just as accurate and thought to be a goo

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I like heat pumps. If it comes down to it we also have a wood burning fireplace. I never use it though as I hate the hassle of messing with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
We hardly ever have to run the aux heat, except when real cold. It got up to temp and they turned off but wiki probably kick on occasion. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > You should look into some propane backup heaters or something

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Think I should just replace it or swap positions first? I am afraid if it is the breaker and I go thru the hassle of moving it now the problem will be with the outside unit or something. There are 3 60 amp breakers and all involve the heat pump. One is aux heat, one is outside unit and one is in

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The heat strips are fine, it’s more an issue of a heat pump not producing the “hot” air people are often accustomed to with gas forced air. They’re not terribly efficient, either, but that’s the drawback of having a heat pump. I found it sort of weird with our Indiana house as it has a conventio

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
just put a bent piece of big wire in there until it warms up! -_FT On 2/11/21 6:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem persists then diagnose further. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: It is in the 20's today and will be

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
You should look into some propane backup heaters or something to tie into your heat pump system.  A friend has a heat pump and some sort of propane system in her house, she is always complaining about having to run the propane heater but I told her it was better than the electric heat strips.

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
New breaker would be my first try. They do get weak. If the problem persists then diagnose further. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  > One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the > breaker for

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
And it’s tripped again. Basically if the aux heat runs for any amount of time it trips. I will shut down the system and swap a couple of breakers around and see what happens. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I guess I could go swap

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I guess I could go swap a couple of breakers around in there and see if the problem follows the breaker.  I do not have a clamp on meter. I could also see if I can get into the air handler. On 2/11/2021 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect

Re: [MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would suspect the breaker before I would suspect the heat strips. Heat strips don’t short typically, they fail open. Got a clamp on ammeter you can use to check the current draw when they’re on? Then you would know for sure. Might want to give the air handler a look to make sure there’s nothin

[MBZ] OT heat pump aux heat

2021-02-11 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
It is in the 20's today and will be into the single digits this week.  One thing I have noticed for quite a while is every now and then the breaker for the aux heat will be tripped.  I usually just reset it and its fine but the aux heat does not have to run much as it has not been that cold.  W