More ideas to check out - thanks.
Any theories as to the intermittent/unpredictable/short lived nature
of these incidents?
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>
> Have you checked for loose belts or related hot bearing? If you have
> a hand held pyrometer, you could stop and ch
Have you checked for loose belts or related hot bearing? If you have
a hand held pyrometer, you could stop and check to see if any
of these items are running hot. I had a similar problem on a 240D with
a bad idler pulley bearing. Couldn't figure it out until the bearing froze
and smoke start
IS the engine really clean? If not, clean it really well. Next time
you smell this, pull over somewhere and inspect everything closely to
see if there is any little drips of something hitting the exhaust, etc.
--R
On 4/26/12 12:54 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
Then last night took a long RT
Then last night took a long RT to Columbia, MD (25 miles each way).
On the way out, at milepost 10 I got hit with a rich smell of burnt
engine air. This lasted 5 minutes before going away! On the way back,
at 9 PM, I drove in both highway and stop and go traffic using the
same ACC settings as the
I thought all things were sex-linked? :@). Hehe
Michael E. Esh
On Apr 25, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>> ...I think you need a feminine nose for the final test
>
> Hah! My wife's always asking me to smell this or that
> out of the refrigerator in order to see if it's still good
I drove 25 minutes to work this morning in cool "February in April"
weather and couldn't get the old smell. Maybe the Lysol did the trick
(I should be so lucky).
87 yesterday. today was warmer. Hardly Feb weather!
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...I think you need a feminine nose for the final test
Hah! My wife's always asking me to smell this or that
out of the refrigerator in order to see if it's still good.
Noses vary. It's not sex-linked.
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andrew strasfogel wrote:
>I drove 25 minutes to work this morning in cool "February in April"
>weather and couldn't get the old smell.
Might be good news, but I think you need a feminine nose for the final test
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I drove 25 minutes to work this morning in cool "February in April"
weather and couldn't get the old smell. Maybe the Lysol did the trick
(I should be so lucky).
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
> In my experience, once the heater core is contaminated externally, you will
In my experience, once the heater core is contaminated externally, you will
never get rid of the smell unless you remove it and wash it. At that point you
can pressure test it directly.
I had a smelly heater core in a VW, I removed the core and pressure tested it
and it didn't leak. What I s
Yes, the ACC does switch between "more" and "less" outside air but it's always
drawing _some_ outside air.
In max AC mode it would be mostly recirculating.
I don't agree that a pressure test would identify a leaking core. The leak may
be very small, but enough to produce a detectable smell. A
Hmmm. I might just try that.
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
> Well, obviously, there are no guarantees, but, if it won't hold pressure,
> then it is leaking somewhere. If you cannot see evidence of leakage under
> the hood, then it may be sufficient evidence to cause you t
Well, obviously, there are no guarantees, but, if it won't hold
pressure, then it is leaking somewhere. If you cannot see evidence of
leakage under the hood, then it may be sufficient evidence to cause you
to look further into it.
One other alternate idea might be to disconnect the heater core
WIllard?
Test YOUR theory by taking a sample of all the fluids from your car
and heating them up on your stove. If any of them are responsible
for your smell, then you'll know which system is leaking.
What is my prize? How about your vote for Mittens this fall?
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Max Dillon
Charleston S
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
This pictorial on the W123 evaporator removal gets you in the
neighborhood:
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W123Evaporator
Dave
SoCal
'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
unless somebody needs some help.
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> Wilton
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The only good thing I can say about replacing the 123 heater core is it's
slightly less hard than a 126.
Philip: Correct me if I'm wrong; to replace
> > > Rich Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct
> > > work, some pinhole leak or something. The only way to deal
> > > with that is to replace the heat exchanger. Have fun.
> > >
> > > I ended up changing one in some other car I
> > > had, not a l
Someone set me straight on this please, isn't the cabin air taken from the
air box that resides behind the battery tray? Feed of fresh air comes from
the grill just below the wipers? There is an access hole from that air box
that drains into the engine compartment but it's only about 1.25 inch
hol
This pictorial on the W123 evaporator removal gets you in the neighborhood:
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W123Evaporator
Dave
SoCal
'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)
On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
> The only good thing I can say about replacing the 123
assembly, which requires draining coolant and
removing Freon?
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> Rich Thomas wrote:
> It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct
> work, some pinhole leak or something. The only way to deal
> with that is to replace the heat exchanger. Have fun.
> I ended up changing one in some other car I
> had, not a lot of fun but doable.
On a W123,
On Apr 24, 2012 11:14 AM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
>It was actually pretty easy to get at
> them up under the glove box,
>if you were something of a >contortionist. I ended up changing
> one in some other car I had, not a
> lot of fun but doa
ril 24, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
If so, why can't I smell anything under the hood yet it stinks up the
vent air?
Because it is leaking from the heat exchanger!!
--
Max Dillon
Charlest
It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct work, some
pinhole leak or something. The only way to deal with that is to replace
the heat exchanger. Have fun.
I was driving one day in the fam's 67 Buick Skylark and sitting at a
light it started belching coolant down in the pas
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>If so, why can't I smell anything under the hood yet it stinks up the
>vent air?
>
Because it is leaking from the heat exchanger!!
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Charleston SC
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On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:22 AM, "andrew strasfogel" wrote:
> 1) an oil, PS or SLS fluid, or antifreeze leak under the hood that
> emits a noxious smell when the engine warms up. The odor is somehow
> d
On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:22 AM, "andrew strasfogel" wrote:
> 1) an oil, PS or SLS fluid, or antifreeze leak under the hood that
> emits a noxious smell when the engine warms up. The odor is somehow
> drawn into the air intake.
Didn't you have a pretty good leak on an SLS hose? Perhaps, if you have
How exactly does the heat exchanger work anyway?
It's a small radiator inside the dash. 100% identical in function.
-- Jim
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andrew strasfogel wrote:
>Well, they're not leaking. I stil think this smell is generated from
>a liiquid burning on a hot surface. Logically, it's either
>
>1) an oil, PS or SLS fluid, or antifreeze leak under the hood that
>emits a noxious smell when the engine warms up. The odor is somehow
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>> You will smell a tiny leak - not enough to visibly drop the level in the
>> tank, or run enough to see inside the car.
>> What then? Either put up wi
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> You will smell a tiny leak - not enough to visib
The smell of antifreeze is quite distinctive, sweet, not "burnt" to my
mind but perhaps you might think so. Remove the coolant tank cap (with
a COLD engine) and take a whiff. Is that the smell?
Allan
Craig writes:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:57:26 + "Andrew Strasfogel"
> wrote:
>
>> Where
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> Where might be the offending hose? That would have to be easier than
> messing with the heater core. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
Either the one that takes the coolant to the heater core(s) or the one
that takes the cool
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You will smell a tiny leak - not enough to visibly drop the level in the
tank, or run enough to see inside the car.
What then? Either put up with the smell until it does get really bad, or
replace the leaking part
t
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
Just for grins, are you sure your HVAC drains aren't clogged? I'd describe
that smell more like a swamp (vs charring) but clogged drains are common and
they do cause a smell.
Scott
--R
On 4/23/12 4:06 PM, andrew stra
Just for grins, are you sure your HVAC drains aren't clogged? I'd describe
that smell more like a swamp (vs charring) but clogged drains are common and
they do cause a smell.
Scott
--R
On 4/23/12 4:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> No, it's not a normal smell when SWMBO (who has a very refined
then I had three 20+ year old cars at the time.
Scott
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Stick some pine tree mirror decorations down in the vents, or you can go
the full ME cabbie route and get the gold crown with various scents to
set in the middle of the dash. There are also some little cans they
sell at El Mercado de Wal that have a gel sort of scent in them, and
they last for
No, it's not a normal smell when SWMBO (who has a very refined palate
and sense of smell) notices it and remarks about it in an
uncomplimentary way...
On 4/23/12, Randy Bennell wrote:
> Pressure test the system. Find out if it holds pressure. If not, then it
> is leaking somewhere.
>
> Randy
>
>
Pressure test the system. Find out if it holds pressure. If not, then it
is leaking somewhere.
Randy
On 23/04/2012 1:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Are we sure this smell is not normal? I know on just about any car I can
remember there is a smell that comes from the heater. I would not call
Are we sure this smell is not normal? I know on just about any car I can
remember there is a smell that comes from the heater. I would not call it a
burning smell though so who knows
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On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:58 PM, OK Don wrote:
> You will smell a tiny leak - not enough to vi
You will smell a tiny leak - not enough to visibly drop the level in the
tank, or run enough to see inside the car.
What then? Either put up with the smell until it does get really bad, or
replace the leaking part - hose or heater core.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:51 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
And if it is then what? There is no loss of coolant or any liquids
entering the cabin,
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM, OK Don wrote:
> You will be able to tell by smell whether the odor is an antifreeze leak in
> the heater core.
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andrew strasfogel
> wrote:
You will be able to tell by smell whether the odor is an antifreeze leak in
the heater core.
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> And what would that prove?
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Max wrote:
> > andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >>Well, the smell came back on a
And what would that prove?
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Max wrote:
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
>>light.
>
> Anti-freeze: test this by taking some from your car and heating it on your
> stove. Beware that it is poiso
andrew strasfogel wrote:
>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
>light.
Anti-freeze: test this by taking some from your car and heating it on your
stove. Beware that it is poisonous.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped at a
light. I popped the hood and there was nothing going on - no leaks,
burning smell, or any indication of trouble. So it appears that the
smell is being generated inside the system once fresh air has entered
the car through the
Excellent suggestions - thanks. As a palliative I emptied half a can
of Lysol into the air intakes and ran the defroster until the cabin
smelled like faux lavender perfume. This probably won't solve my
problem but could buy me some time.
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Fmiser wrote:
>> andrew
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> My basic questions follow:
>
> 1) Where is the intake for the outside air?
The grill thingy under the wiper blades at the base of the
windshield.
> 2) Could smoky air smell be coming from some place other than
> the outside of the car?
It's common for engine compar
up to normal operating temperature but only after the heat engages
Guck on heater core cooking off? You're definitely sure it
does not smell like hot antifreeze?
1) Where is the intake for the outside air?
Grille under the wipers. Is your hood lid seal intact?
3) Could oil somehow have b
No, but because I like it so much I purchased a second one that makes
my exhaust smell like the Swiss Alps.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> andrew strasfogel writes:
>
>> So I am still stymied at the episodes of a sooty smell emanating from
>> the air vents in my 1985 CA v
andrew strasfogel writes:
> So I am still stymied at the episodes of a sooty smell emanating from
> the air vents in my 1985 CA version 300TD wagon.
Have you removed your trap oxidizer yet?
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1979 300SD
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You will never get rid of the smell. You now have a "Seinfeld" car. Just sell
it to me for $1000:)
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On Apr 20, 2012, at 4:44 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
So I am still stymied at the episodes of a sooty smell emanating from
the air vents in my 1985 CA version 300TD wagon.
I
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So I am still stymied at the episodes of a sooty smell emanating from
the air vents in my 1985 CA version 300TD wagon.
I spent some time degreasing the engine and solving a minor antif
So I am still stymied at the episodes of a sooty smell emanating from
the air vents in my 1985 CA version 300TD wagon.
I spent some time degreasing the engine and solving a minor antifreeze
leak under the hood. Thee are still areas with encrusted oil -
typical of so many W123 diesels -but when I
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