Ref: "lots of independent thinkers" yet oddly they all think about the same.
tolerance preachers too, but very intolerant.
Environmentalists, but very un-conservationist (ala pious driver
zipping in and out of traffic in a very non-fuel conserving way)
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t ordinary people have no business owning guns.
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quired to move there back in
my active duty days.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what
On Sun, 13 May 2012 22:03:08 -0500 OK Don wrote:
> True - but low income is like under $10,000 a yeare. Yes, they did pass
> a bunch of new laws this year, but I don't know what the effect of them
> will be yet - they are still at it! Who siad that no man nor his purse
> is safe while the legisla
True - but low income is like under $10,000 a yeare. Yes, they did pass a
bunch of new laws this year, but I don't know what the effect of them will
be yet - they are still at it! Who siad that no man nor his purse is safe
while the legislature is in session? Will Rogers?
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9
I think OK give an income tax credit to low income residents to offset the
sales tax on groceries... unless they passed the proposed changes this
year?
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM, OK Don wrote:
> It's a permanent feature of Oklahoma, one of the reddest of States. We'll
> cut income taxes
It's a permanent feature of Oklahoma, one of the reddest of States. We'll
cut income taxes for the wealthy here during record budget deficits, but
the grocery tax is sacred to the Republicans who control all of the
government here.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> Brian Tos
Crane Naval Weapons Depot, also known as Crane NSWC, is very much alive and
well.
While it's not so much as an ordinance depot like it used to be, there are a
lot of things going on at Crane that dictate they be done in the middle of a
100 square mile wilderness.
Dan
Rich Thomas wrote:
>The
On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:02:55 -0600 Brian Toscano
wrote:
> Have you considered moving back to Colorado, Minnesota,
> Washington, ? or are you looking for someplace you haven't lived
> before?
I'm looking for where the jobs are.
I found one in Washington with the University of Washington for
nd went home but that was a bad storm
> and I knew working from home was an option.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:20:40 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live
>in vario
I can see living in the city but not to then commute out. I guess you wouldn't
be fighting traffic...
-Curt
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 21:26:10 -0400
From: Jaime Kopchinski
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live
in variou
I've made the trip from Manhattan to Greenwich in 25 minutes but that was in
the middle of the night!
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On May 13, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
The commutes may have gotten easier because of the economic downturn.
I never found snow clean up to be very good while t
rned around and went home but that was a bad storm and I knew working from
home was an option.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:20:40 -0600
From: Brian Toscano
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live
in various parts of the country
Except that the extremy rich idiots are likely not so stupid:)
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On May 13, 2012, at 9:16 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
This is true... only people with lots of money own cars in Manhattan. It
really doesn't make any sense unless you work outside of the city and need
it. A few
The commutes may have gotten easier because of the economic downturn.
I never found snow clean up to be very good while traveling. The last
experience was a snow that started while I was in PA heading to NH. 287
northbound was a parking lot. Not a plow in sight. NY was equally a
disgrace, and
sense.
>
> When I was looking at moving to Chicago we were probably going to become a
> 1 car family, keep my 190D and get rid of the others and maybe not even
> keep that.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:12:03 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano
> To: Mercedes Discuss
You're right about the guns laws.
Theres lots of backroads greenwich->stamford. But its not really that far,
so even sitting in traffic won't take that long on I-95.
A neighbor of mine commutes to Stamford. I think hes crazy, but he says
its not that bad.
Snow clean up is generally good even o
Some people actually like living in the city. Especially young people just
out of college. I can see the draw, but I'm certainly not one of them and
never was.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Why would you pay 5x to live in Manhattan and commute to NJ?
__
This is true in some places, but you need to find better beaches. If there
are loads of people there, then you're at the wrong one. I generally avoid
the big tourist areas and times.
I found NJ beaches to be really wonderful. They're big and have great
waves. I had the unfortunate experience o
In NJ I believe you are only allowed to transport guns if both the gun and
ammo are stored in separate lock boxes, and you can't stop at grandma's
house on the way to the shooting range if the gun is in the car.
If you live in Greenwich and were trying to get to Stamford, I'm not sure
15 is a good
oking at moving to Chicago we were probably going to become a 1
car family, keep my 190D and get rid of the others and maybe not even keep that.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:12:03 -0600
From: Brian Toscano
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it&#
Its true statewide. I've only had to go twice, but they were both in
completely different locations, same proceedure.
Jaime
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> Is this true statewide? I was led to believe over the years that NJ
> traffic court means bring a lawyer. I wond
This is true... only people with lots of money own cars in Manhattan. It
really doesn't make any sense unless you work outside of the city and need
it. A few years ago I had a spot in midtown for about $400/month because
my girlfriend (now wife) lived there. I drove in 5 nights a week. She
live
Is this true statewide? I was led to believe over the years that NJ
traffic court means bring a lawyer. I wonder if some areas have given the
entire state a black mark for this.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
> This isn't true. You show up without a lawyer and they pr
You forgotten that to get to the beach, one has to pay beach fees and
babies count too. Parking near the beach is also big headaches and
had to pay. Cops are ready to hand out parking fines past the minute.
So, going to the beach is not free. Restaurants at the some beach towns
has dry rules, n
n NYC and while its possible to live without a car its
> not as common.
> In Manhattan only extremely rich idiots have cars.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:55:32 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question ab
ty than NYC and while its possible to live without a car its not as
common.
In Manhattan only extremely rich idiots have cars.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:55:32 -0600
From: Brian Toscano
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live
i
ightly beyond, it doesn't go west to Chi-town.
>
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:47:21 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live
>invarious parts of the coun
You mean I90 maybe? I95 goes from Houlton, Maine to Miami, Florida or maybe
slightly beyond, it doesn't go west to Chi-town.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:47:21 -0400
From: Dan Penoff
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to l
I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with
the bad stuff.
Cons:
- Overall, very high cost of living
- High property taxes
- High traffic
- Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live
decently
Pros:
- High standard of living
This isn't true. You show up without a lawyer and they pretty much reduce
the ticket without you asking. Unless you've gotten a bunch of tickets,
but then I'd guess you're better off with a lawyer just about anywhere.
Jaime
-Northern NJ
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> I
Have you considered moving back to Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, ?
or are you looking for someplace you haven't lived before?
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Craig wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2012 17:12:12 -0600 Brian Toscano
> wrote:
>
> > Are you applying for mostly government engineerin
On Sun, 13 May 2012 17:12:12 -0600 Brian Toscano
wrote:
> Are you applying for mostly government engineering/scientific jobs?
No, I'm also applying to commercial and industrial positions.
> Are you looking to get out of NM or just get another job?
Since I'm not permitted to work at a DOE fac
Brian Toscano writes:
> Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago?
>
> That's about 215 miles up the road.
No, Bloomington. One county over from Crane.
Allan
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On May 13, 2012, at 5:38 PM, "Brian Toscano" wrote:
> Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago?
That would be me. There are several Hoosiers and ex Hoosiers on this list.
Rick
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Are you applying for mostly government engineering/scientific jobs? Are
you looking to get out of NM or just get another job?
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Craig wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:28:40 -0600 Brian Toscano
> wrote:
>
> > There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeak
On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:28:40 -0600 Brian Toscano
wrote:
> There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay. You could
> live in Maryland and cross the bridge. Its worth noting that in the
> MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work
> because they all have
On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:32:17 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote:
> I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in
> the US. You can't get more rural than Crane, for sure. A beautiful area
> if you are an outdoors person.
I see.
> Allan would be a crispy critter in the event of a nuk
And there is one at Wallops Island, VA. At least there used to be.
Another former customer of mine.
Dan
Brian Toscano wrote:
>There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay. You could
>live in Maryland and cross the bridge. Its worth noting that in the
>MD/VA/DC area income tax
Allan, as in IU Bloomington.
Dan
Brian Toscano wrote:
>Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago?
>
>That's about 215 miles up the road.
>
>
>On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>> I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in the
>> US. You c
> In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are
> acknowledged to be high by the state government. When completing
state
> taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for
property taxes
> and
> deduct it.
10%
because the rent is high?
In Michigan, renters can assume
Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago?
That's about 215 miles up the road.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in the
> US. You can't get more rural than Crane, for sure. A beautiful area if you
>
I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in the US.
You can't get more rural than Crane, for sure. A beautiful area if you are an
outdoors person.
Allan would be a crispy critter in the event of a nuke attack. Crane is a high
priority target due to the large amount of
By comparison, if you work in NY but live in another state, you pay NYS
(and NYC if you work in NYC) first and then pay taxes to your home state.
Since the states generally credit taxes to another state, you may no
income taxes to your home state because NY took them all.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at
There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay. You could
live in Maryland and cross the bridge. Its worth noting that in the
MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work
because they all have reciprocity with one another.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:53 PM,
Craig writes:
> I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ...
Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Yes it's pretty much in
the middle of nowhere.
Allan
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There used to be a Crane Naval Depot, I think it is not that far from
Indianapolis (of course, in Indiana, nothing is THAT far from Indy...).
Why there was a naval depot in Indiana always puzzled me, I guess some
Senator got his vote bought for the reward of some Navy money. My dad
would occa
> Exactly. When we were doing the Milwaukee-Indianapolis and back run,
> the Skyway was the way to go. Not to mention it was entertaining as
> well as educational for the kids to see the blight from Gary to the
> south side of Chicago (especially Cabrini Green).
> The Southeast is also pretty pr
NJ is also a state where the speed limit on the turnpike will suddenly drop
to 35 MPH (from 65 MPH) in a work zone that doesn't need a speed limit that
low. The cops can sit their and pull someone over if they feel like it and
write you a ticket.. meanwhile traffic whizzes by at 75 MPH "they can't
Another thing to consider is that as you go from South to North, you are
less likely to be imprisoned. In South Carolina the penalty for speeding
in a work zone is up to "$500 and 30 days" and is clearly posted in work
zones.
But, you are also more likely to show up in court and defend yourself.
Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to
live without a car or even a driver's license. In Manhattan it can cost at
least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high,
leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's o
In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are
acknowledged to be high by the state government. When completing state
taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and
deduct it.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> 1.4% does not se
1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales
tax on groceries.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> The property taxes down here are under control. As Indiana did recently,
> property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed
>
> The Southeast is also pretty pro-gun, whereas as you go farther North
you
> run into strong anti-gun legislation such as in MD or NJ.
>
> VT is notable in that it does not (or did not) issue
concealed carry
> permits because it is legal by default. VT gun
law basically says we
> don't
> care
Heh.
When I was back in Indiana in 2008-2010, I was amazed at the strength of the
pro-gun mentality. Maybe I accepted it as the norm when growing up there, but
I certainly don't recall it being so prevalent...
They do issue concealed carry permits there, but you can also carry in public
if yo
The property taxes down here are under control. As Indiana did recently,
property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed (not
market) value. That being said, the assessments are pretty close to spot-on,
even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few
The Southeast is also pretty pro-gun, whereas as you go farther North you
run into strong anti-gun legislation such as in MD or NJ.
VT is notable in that it does not (or did not) issue concealed carry
permits because it is legal by default. VT gun law basically says we don't
cary what you do with
Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high
property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher
than property taxes are not uncommon).
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might
Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not
unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store.
Dan
On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.
>
> It has been so long sin
Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.
It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall
if they tax heated/cooked food.
Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past
few years some states have reduced them. In the
Exactly. When we were doing the Milwaukee-Indianapolis and back run, the Skyway
was the way to go. Not to mention it was entertaining as well as educational
for the kids to see the blight from Gary to the south side of Chicago
(especially Cabrini Green).
Dan
Allan Streib wrote:
>Dan Penoff
NY state property taxes are brutal!
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On May 13, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
Brian Toscano writes:
Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property
taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may
not tax clothes.
Dan Penoff writes:
> Just as the TriState Tollway around Chicago will help you to avoid
> traffic, if you're passing through north/south or the reverse, even at
> rush hour it's quicker to take the local expressways that deal with
> the 3+ hour drive around the TriState.
Fastest way in and out o
Brian Toscano writes:
> Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property
> taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may
> not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH.
Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding "read
the airport and train station. I stayed there when I went to
> Vegas last month and it made my early morning flight much more bearable.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:30:55 -0600
> From: Craig
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another que
vidence, the airport and train station. I stayed there when I went to Vegas
last month and it made my early morning flight much more bearable.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:30:55 -0600
From: Craig
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to liv
Greenwich has a New England feel with windy hilly roads and some of the nicest
stone walls anywhere, but it's so not New England it's not even funny. Lived
there for many years.
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On May 12, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
I-95 connects the major East Coast cities.
I guess it really depends on what you're after when you move.
Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property
taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may
not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH.
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Br
I-95 connects the major East Coast cities. The parts around the major
cities will suffer the daily rush hour problems. The rural areas can see
heavy traffic during holidays/peak travel seasons as many will travel from
the Northeast to Florida along I-95. Part of I-95 in the Northeast are
toll ro
On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:40:03 -0600 Brian Toscano
wrote:
> Well that explains it! What states has Craig lived in? For some
> reason I thought he lived/had lived in MA.
As a small child, Minnesota, Montana, and Washington.
Growing up, California (Los Angeles and Pasadena).
Out on my own in the
One word: liberal
--R
On 5/11/12 10:07 PM, Craig wrote:
Anyone one know anything about Rhode Island and Connecticut?
Thanks,
Craig
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> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in
> various parts of the country ...
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But Craig lives in NM.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Brian Toscano"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in
various parts of the country ...
I am
I am interested in knowing why someone who lives in MA would ask about what
it is like to live in adjacent states such as NH, RI, or CT. Everywhere
I've lived, I know what life is like in the nearby states, say a radius of
a few hundred miles.
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Craig wrote:
> An
Anyone one know anything about Rhode Island and Connecticut?
Thanks,
Craig
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