nt that scripts simpler
to design but less efficient to parse would cause no detectible lag.
Many thanks for any thoughts.
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2009/4/27 Björnke von Gierke
> I have been thinking into a similar direction lately. The main issue is
> about how to decide what is a component and what isn't. For example a script
> editor contains stuff for debugging, auto-completion (... sometimes),
> colorisation, undo handling, etc.
> So s
I'd be real interested in starting to use / develop for the MC IDE, but
don't want to have to switch between applications. Here are my thoughts on
some future directions for discussion:
1. Separate as many as possible MC IDE components out as standalone
componenets that can be used in any Re
2009/2/10 Ray Horsley
> Thanks Brian but I'm afraid including the tags doesn't render
> anything either. I've also tried including a document declaration as in the
> example below but I'm still getting nothing rendered. (That's the trouble
> when working with externals. You can't open them up
cripts to be
called when the command-key combinations are used?
Many thanks.
David Epstein
(MC2.5 on Mac OSX 10.4.)
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tack of
a. the defaultStack? Yes
b. the stack whose script contains the "go" command?
c. some other open stack?
d. a stack that is in use?
6. Other conditions I haven't thought of?
A related question: Is it good practice to use the file extension ".
Thanks Richard - maybe you could advise - I want to develop some plugins for
all 3 environments - Rev, MC and Galaxy. At the moment I use Galaxy, but as
it looks like I am going to make a custom Script Editor, I thought I would
start to use MC again more seriously. "Develop" is not quite the right
Hmmm... still failing on OSX - I've tried changing the pList in copied Rev
bundle - renamed things as stated. Put the Home and help and tools stack at
the same level for 2.9
On OS X you need to copy the executable from the the Revolution bundle in *
> Revolution.app/Contents/MacOS/Revolution*
On a basic note - can't really find installation notes in the group:
On OS X you need to copy the executable from the the Revolution bundle in *
> Revolution.app/Contents/MacOS/Revolution* to *
> MetaCard.app/Contents/MacOS/MetaCard*
Doesn't really any anything about getting the home stack insta
I've read the instruction about installing MC - and remember some earlier
discussions and experiments along the lines of installing it within the Rev
environment. I've got an experimental stack which switches the default
menubar from Rev to MC... was wandering if anyone has a set up with MC IDE
as
Going to install MC on a new machine. Whats the latest strategy for interop
with RunRev? Can you switch between the environments?
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ndlers in scripts of
my stacks in use.
Is there some file format change that is affecting things? Or does the fact
that my stacks are "Metacard" files cause a problem? Can anyone offer a
diagnosis or remedy?
Many thanks.
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behavior? I only want an insertion point if
the user clicks on the unlocked field itself, not if he simply brings
the stack to the front.
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contains a PDF?
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How about what the marketing people would say - give on a ".mc" extension
and colour it yellow or soemthing and the other one a ".rev" extension and
colour it blue?
Talking of which - how do you tell which environment you are in? If there is
no way can I suggest we have something in the backscrip
On 16/07/07, Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Forgot to answer the last question.
Let me put it this way:
Docs? We don't need no stinking docs! :-D
Seriously, since this is all done on a volunteer base, you should not
exspect a documentation of our work.
No expectations - and i am hap
I took a quick look at the Plugins interface for MC - it differs from
Revs naturally :)
My question regards the plugin API - is it the same as Revs - so are
plugins compatible? Are there any docs?
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I'd say so - best if it says its going to do it first and its an option.
On 15/07/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Robert Brenstein wrote:
>> If the Finder window is closed during the installation there's no
>> problem. If anyone knows how to fix that, I'll implement it.
>
> Isn't
:)
On 15/07/07, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can't imagine what that could be? After all if Jerry can do it with Galaxy
then it can be done with MC can as well?
Dialogs... seems to me that if you dynamically hack out the stackfiles
lines in RunRev:
Ask Dialog,/Users/da
Can't imagine what that could be? After all if Jerry can do it with Galaxy
then it can be done with MC can as well?
Dialogs... seems to me that if you dynamically hack out the stackfiles lines
in RunRev:
Ask Dialog,/Users/david/Desktop/Revolution
Studio/2.8.1-gm-1/Toolset/revaskdialo
On 15/07/07, Mark Schonewille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There are one or two experts who tried this. It appears that closing
the Rev IDE and firing up the MC IDE isn't that much of a problem.
Closing the MC IDE and restarting the Rev IDE with all globals,
locals, properties and everything else
On 15/07/07, Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are the stack names fixed in the engine (now that would be a bad idea)
I'm afraid this is the case.
OK - that officially sucks
MC uses other differnet stacks (stored as "Answer dialog" and "Ask
dialog" as substacks of "mctools.mc")
tha
A few related questions:
1. How and where are the ask and answer dialogs called? Are the stack
names fixed in the engine (now that would be a bad idea) - or is it a script
in the IDE? If so can't we just rename these stacks and hack the script - so
we can have both IDEs open at the same
With a little fear and trepidation I downloaded and installed successfully!
In the introduction it would be reassuiring to say that the existing Rev
installation won't be touched?
In my igorance, which could possibly (but I'm sure unlikely) be shared by
future users, I wrongly selected the:
"Se
I have not found any problems with name space collision using the technique
Chipp described. Locking messages and loading a stack with the same name
into memory seems fine - you just remove it from memory using the file name
(long stack name). I tested it quite a bit and routinely run through 40 o
On 02/07/07, Brian Yennie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Reading from a file should be perfectly safe even if it is in use -
writing is the dangerous one.
True - but I see no advantage over using the built in exists() function and
removing the stack from memory afterwards - it is not subject to
sure
there are better ways.
On 02/07/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David Bovill wrote:
> These are the functions I have:
>
> function stack_Exists someName
>-- will not add stack to memory
>
>set lockmessages to true
>put the mainstacks i
These are the functions I have:
function stack_Exists someName
-- will not add stack to memory
set lockmessages to true
put the mainstacks into stacksInMemory
put empty into shortStackName
if exists(stack someName) then
put true into safeExistence
put not(shortStackN
Its been a while since I have been on this list!
At Richards prompting I have just downloaded and tried out the Metacard IDE
- and I must say the interface has changed :) Which prompts me to ask a
couple of questions:
1. Is there is a change list - or anything like that?
2. What are the prio
-- eg for use in import snapshot
repeat with i = 1 to 4
add item (1 + (i+1) mod 2) of s to item i of r
end repeat
return r
end shiftedRect
Any insights about this would be greatly appreciated.
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a
white area is clicked, I'd like to make the image I've pasted fully
"opaque". Is there a way to script this transformation?
Many thanks.
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In case anyone else wonders about this question, I have found a
solution by trial and error. This may not be the best way (and the
"play" command, according to the MC help, should be replaced in future
development by the "start" command, although there is no mention of
"start step"), but it seems
ike 75 times (z-1)
where z is the number of pages in the PDF. But "set the currentTime
of player 1 to (n-1)*75" does not consistently cause page n to be
shown.
Does someone know how to do this, or where I can learn how to do this?
Ma
Hope nobody has been puzzling over my problem with the property
palette, which I just solved. Turns out my own handler executed a
"select empty" on suspendStack, which unselected the group, and so
made the group property palette no longer appropriate.
Dav
e a remedy?
Many thanks.
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d 1
put the clipboardData into myArrayVar
put return & "***" & the keys of the clipboardData after fld 1
put "***" & the keys of myArrayVar after fld 1
put "***" & the clipboard after fld 1
end mouseUp
Any insights?
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his method, and this would make sense to me since copying a field (as
distinguished from creating a new field) should copy its
properties. But now I am only getting the empty field.
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ill not crash my program in the future. Since I can't
inspect the htmlText in question, I can't really know what's wrong
with it.
Anyone have any related experiences, insights, or suggestions of how
to proceed? Thanks very much.
David Epstein
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Using MC2.5 on OSX 10.2, I am writing a fairly complicated "dragDrop"
handler, which decides what text to insert at the dropChunk, and
whether to preserve or delete the chunk that was originally dragged,
and then carries out those decisions. I'm handling and not passing
both the dragEnd and dragDr
ventually, or is there some more specific reason for
optimism?
Thanks.
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ply to scripts that check "the commandKey"
(always returning "up"), even though command-letter combination
commands still work.
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then it returns. And just now it returned very promptly.
The option key is not completely disabled even when this condition
strikes; for example, with the pointer tool selected, option-dragging
will successfully duplicate a button.
Is there a recognized cause or cure for this problem?
Many th
In the message box:
put the date into test
convert test to dateitems
put test
So why on my system do I get 2 in the hours item? Dalylight saving off
and Greenwhich mean time set. Tested on windows and Linux?
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I'm working on an app that does a lot of date calculations. I need to be
able to round the seconds to exact days, but when I use convert like this:
convert date to short date
convert to seconds
I get the date rounded to sometimes two, or sometime 3 hours after
midnight (depending on which
Andre Garzia wrote:
I can try to help! I am grounded home today! what are we coding?
It's not for 3 weeks Andre! So we got time to plan that. The date is
Saturday 16th. Objective is to code the most impressive thing we can to
show off what Rev can do in a day + should be something people want.
Chipp Walters wrote:
Alejandro,
Firewalls and proxies can be a big problem for software developers.
There is a setting called "the httpProxy" you might want to take a
look at in Rev (don't know if it exists in MC).
Also (which may well not be the prob in your case) +- may be saying the
obvious
Ken Ray wrote:
Also not sure how to control the marks - it would make sense if they
were representing the pageInc value - but it is a smaller setting.
It actually represents the pageInc value *plus one* (I'm assuming for the
"0" setting). So if I set up a scale with a min of 0 and a max of 100
Pierre Sahores wrote:
Yes, it's a server side app directly speaking trought html forms on
the client side and binded to a rock solid SQL databases server on the
back-end. It works as a remplacement solution (and paradigm !) to the
less stuitable Java-based stuffs built to run on top of Tomcat or
I have this scroll bar - horizontal, scale style, with showValue off
I am using it as a control to allow scrolling from a start date to an
end date (dates in seconds). So I set the start and endValues.
Next I set the lineInc to 24*60*60 which jumps a day - ok
But I have to set the pageInc as foll
ning set up on root
protected ports - or am I only getting half the picture here?
david
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Actually, in testing what was going to be my initial response, I
discovered that it's actually trivial, but tough to find. This will do
the trick:
delete variable myArray[unwantedKey]
Regards,
Dave
On May 1, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Raymond E. Griffith wrote:
I have an associative array from which
der an open source license), or just let us know that we are
barking up the wrong tree - drop us a line?
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released under an open source license), or just let us know that we are
barking up the wrong tree - drop us a line?
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Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
Sorry, I apparently forgot the smiley.
Thanks... I got the smiley on my system - in fact I got a nice big
chuckle :) I'm going to download today. A question though - have the
downloads moved over to the one month try out? And if so is this going
to work after expiration?
OK - so how do I / can I get my license working in Rev? Besides the
little 'ol problem of not knowing where I put it (i've been using my
home stack)?
I've got a license for 2.4.3 but not 2.5 yet... am I out or in luck :)
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driven web site
4) Read and write to web site from within MC
If anyone is interested in helping with the coding it is fairly
interesting stuff - particularly interested in anyone who wants to play
with web site creation and .mt scripting as I've set
Richard Gaskin wrote:
If this seems useful to folks, let's talk about how this can be
enhanced/developed/customized/etc. Maybe we can start getting some work
done.
A way nifty gadget, Scott.
Great. I think it's granular enough for now.
Uploading doesn't replace stack but uploads a copy to the
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Dual-use options seem optimal for all. There are a great many very smart,
experienced people with a demonstrated interest in producing free software
who use only Rev. Those enhancements that work in both IDEs benefit from
the combined brainpower available to both camps.
Agr
Richard Gaskin wrote:
If someone's willing to pay for a neutral host with more space for at
least
a few years I'm game to use it.
OK - so I'll set this up by the weekend.
Robert Brenstein wrote:
If we really stick to distributing just MC IDE, then sure, 20 mb will
suffice.
It would be wrong to
Richard Gaskin wrote:
MisterX wrote:
it's probably changed now but this was yahoo's agreement..
By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you automatically grant, or
warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the
royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and
Dave Cragg wrote:
One possible problem not discussed so far is the inclusion of libUrl
with the IDE. The same (identical) library script is distributed with
Rev, and I don't imagine they would like it to be covered by any of the
more restrictive licenses. (And I don't suppose it could be.) The
MisterX wrote:
it's probably changed now but this was yahoo's agreement..
By submitting Content to any Yahoo property, you automatically grant, or
warrant that the owner of such Content has expressly granted, Yahoo the
royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable
ri
Ken Ray wrote:
The only concern about PD I have is that it is just that: public
domain. Anyone can take what we have and do whatever they want with
it, including marketing it commercially. In other words, PD may be
too a broad license. Do we care?
No. If someone wants to take the MC IDE (MINUS
J. Landman Gay wrote:
After reading all the responses, I'm going to vote for this. It seems to
me that public domain is the easiest solution, doesn't require any
special handling, allows anyone to do anything without legal
entanglments, and is just generally easier to manage. So I vote for
pub
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Has anyone checked:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-not-lgpl.html
I read it. It seems a good discussion of GPL issues as they relate to
libraries.
What do you see as the implications for the MC IDE?
GNU use LGPL (lesser GLP) for libraries - and the reasons they argue
Ray G. Miller wrote:
Do we have the SourceForge URL yet?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/opn-repository/
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Richard Gaskin wrote:
Robert Brenstein wrote:
Creating distribution packages, as Scott used to do, may not be worth
the effort for this group, but it may be desirable to have an option
to make engines available on IDE web site for a single-stop
downloading. We do not have to have them, but...
A l
Richard Gaskin wrote:
David Bovill wrote:
The simple
story is to use the LGPL if you may wish to distribute the open source
code with 'linked' libraries (read IDE or engine here) which is not GPL'd.
Hmmm I had never considered including the Rev engine with the MC IDE
di
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Monte Goulding wrote:
I don't think LGPL is really inteded for this kind of thing. It's more for
libraries that can be included in commercial apps without breaking the
license or making the commercial app open source.
The difference is that with LGPL you have no problem distr
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Cool. What's the URL? I thought you couldn't set up a project there until
you had a file ready to go (
Better still send me your user name and I'll register you as chief
poobah! Think you should get an email with all the instructions sent to
you and can play to your he
Richard Gaskin wrote:
I asked Scott if we could have an FTP account set up for the IDE project at
metacard.com. While that won't work, he suggested setting the project up at
SourceForge.net. In accordance with his wishes, I'll set up the project's
home there as soon as we get a copy of mctools.m
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- It would be essential also to track versions. David Bovill was hinting
at CVS and it's a possibility but
I had an idea were we could track these as customproperties instead. Im
sure there's advantages to
both as well as disadvantages. The essential would b
lationship with
RunRev and explicitly and clearly laying out the core purpose and
principles of the project.
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I would be happy to support your work here Alejandro:
Alejandro Tejada wrote:
Hi developers,
Can I propose a Bezier Drawing tool
for the MC ide?
I could prepare something for the middle
of the next week.
It will include a tool to modify
polygon graphics using bezier curves.
Who could help me to r
I think you need to use the unicodetext property not the text property:
set the unicodetext of fld 1 to the unicodetext of fld 2
Thomas McCarthy wrote:
Up to MC 2.4 I was using the htmltext property to do all my Kanji, but it's a real drag.
With 2.5 I tried the unicode feature, but have run int
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 13:13, Klaus Major wrote:
>
> I still think the free StarterKit was the best thing ever.
>
> One could play with it, get used to the app and even build useful
> things :-)
>
> ...and 30 (contiguous?) days may be not enough, even with no script
> limits...
>
30 days is n
This is exactly the sort of service / product that will be destroyed by
the proposed change. My situation is similar for open source programming
books - students / readers need to be able to do limited coding.
The fact that this does not effect anyone with a licenced home stack is
clear, but irrel
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 13:30, Robert Brenstein wrote:
> Since using 'do' one can relatively easily work around the 'set
> script to' restriction (performance issues aside), we can only expect
> further elimination of 'do' in standalones (do limit set to 0) in a
> near future. It would be a logic
If you set up a video stream - I can toast you from here (London)! Monte
can join us for breakfast (Australia) and Chipp - how about some live
action footage from the ranche ?
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 01:05, Monte Goulding wrote:
> Yes it made me green with envy given OZ-RUG has a grand total of 4 m
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 10:00, Tuviah M Snyder wrote:
> WW4 Bush hasn't started WW3 yet, give him some time.
>
> Please contact me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to work with
> you on this.
>
Which feature Tuviah - WW3 or the OpenGL thing?
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- now you should have the 8
end convolutedGetPixelColor
Hope you get the principle - I have some functions on another machine
that work with imagedata if you are still stuck?
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On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 15:50, jbv wrote:
>
> I had a look at 3D Lingo (I dropped Director around version 4, andit made
> me feel strange to go back to this crappy sprite stuff)...
> Please don't take it personal, but it's the typical example of what
> I'd like to avoid...
Snap - left around the sa
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 22:31, Dr. John R. Vokey wrote:
> Thus,
> rather being an essential part of metacard/RR, this dynamism becomes a
> feature *only* licensed users (developers?) can use, but can't retain
> in the stacks they produce.
> for some, at least me, it is the dynamism that is
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 14:12, jbv wrote:
> And BTW again, did anyone contact Kevin privately about this
> script limit thing, as suggested in his original message ?
> And did anyone get an answer ?
> I'm not so interested in the content of the answer, but much more in
> knowing if any answer has be
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 03:59, Chipp Walters wrote:
> > If you set up a video stream - I can toast you from here (London)! Monte
> > can join us for breakfast (Australia) and Chipp - how about some live
> > action footage from the ranche ?
>
> Sure, but there's not much live action here considering
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 09:40, Robert Brenstein wrote:
> What I meant in my earlier post is that maybe Rev can introduce
> procedure to lift these limits for specific projects (they could
> review them to ensure that the app can't be used to bypass their
> licensing and thus reduce sales) for a r
Fine rant Xavier - you sure know how to turn a crafted argument into a
plate of spaghetti!
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 11:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> First, without the 10 line script limit, I would be using java or VBS
> and would have never made a test product to justify buying MC let
> alone ren
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 11:24, Shari wrote:
> >
> >The key is to remember that objects like groups have margins which
> >are automatically applied, therefore in my situation I needed to do
> >the following:
> >
> >set the margins of group "crop" to 0
> >
> >~ Rodney
>
> The margins, or the borderW
I am making a sound and music machine for my daughter - unfortunately I
can't find the work i did a couple of years back on this and am running
out of time (it's a birthday present)- so am looking for any MC/Rev bits
and pieces that I can use to cobble this together.
The bits:
1) Pretty k
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 06:23, Mark Talluto wrote:
> >
> Hi Jeanne,
>
> I dropped him a line earlier today. I am taking advantage of his
> invitation to discuss this. Talking about his openly may be helpful.
> We can figure out ways to live without this in the event this is going
> to happen.
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 04:53, Chipp Walters wrote:
> In order to create the next generation: a new and much faster version of RR,
> we're going to have to remove the 'set the script' command and treat
> Transcript just as other compilers-- like C++, etc..
>
> Would this make a difference? IOW, if
My understanding is that WW4 has begun.
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 09:56, jbv wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a bit surprised by the lack of response to
> my post from 2 weeks ago regarding the best
> way to implement openGL in MC...
>
> Has everybody lost interest in that feature ?
> Or is everyone on va
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 13:05, jbv wrote:
>
> But my main question regarding the implementation of
> openGL in MC was : how end users would like to access
> 3D properties and functions from within MetaTalk scripts...
> Anyone who has some experience with openGL coding
> in C/C++ or Java knows that u
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 Geoff Canyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The problem with the 10 line limit in the Starter Kit is that it's both
> > too big and too small.
> >
> > It's too small in that anyone unfamiliar with Revolution thinks it's
> > worthless.
> >
This is just a classic missed mark
Adopting a core technology such as a programming language is a major
investment. Most people qualify the risk of this investment by going
with the big-boys - just in case.
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 05:12, Chipp Walters wrote:
> Dan, most excellent point! This is and should be a huge concern for thos
i.e., behave like a normal document window, while still
looking like a palette (with the narrow title bar)?
Many thanks.
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> with this. I remember someone saying that the "command.com" command ( used
> by
> the shell() command ) was not so reliable.
> So, i gave up with this solution. BTW, i was on WIN 98 box.
>
Yes - I think this is not a problem in Linux?
> Then, instead of passing from metacard to Perl a full pro
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