Re: is root account really necessary?

2007-04-20 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, Han Boetes wrote: > Default User wrote: > > is a root account really necessary? > > No. > > > > wouldn't a system with no root account, where all maintenance is > > done as sudo, be more secure? > > No. It all depends on what you want and what your situation is. > > > >

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Clint Pachl
Daniel Ouellet wrote: Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 14:49]: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 00:36]: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote:

Re: is root account really necessary?

2007-04-20 Thread Theo de Raadt
> is a root account really necessary? wouldn't a system with no root > account, where all maintenance is done as sudo, be more secure? if so, > why not install with no root account by default? Buy a book on Unix, please.

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2007-04-20 Thread Nick Holland
Default User wrote: > is a root account really necessary? well, the account is needed for many tasks. I presume you mean to ask, "Is it necessary to be able to directly log into the root account?", and that answer, in OpenBSD, is no. However the account must exist so that many applications can r

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Nick Holland
J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Friday 20 April 2007 08:32, Tony Abernethy wrote: >> Jason Beaudoin wrote: >> > >> > >> > > Use all the tricks you can for YOUR solution, including: >> > > * lots of "small" partitions >> > >> > What are the reasonings behind this? >> > >> > Thanks for the awesome post!

Re: is root account really necessary?

2007-04-20 Thread Han Boetes
Default User wrote: > is a root account really necessary? No. > wouldn't a system with no root account, where all maintenance is > done as sudo, be more secure? No. It all depends on what you want and what your situation is. > if so, why not install with no root account by default? It isn't

Re: Audio

2007-04-20 Thread Ted Unangst
On 4/20/07, David Cary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have been a user of OpenBSD for a number of years (4 I think) and usually manage to solve my problems alone however I am having trouble getting my audio to work on this computer. $ mixerctl -a | grep master outputs.master=207,207 outputs.master

is root account really necessary?

2007-04-20 Thread Default User
is a root account really necessary? wouldn't a system with no root account, where all maintenance is done as sudo, be more secure? if so, why not install with no root account by default?

Re: Automatic boot of i386 occassionally fails; manually boots OK

2007-04-20 Thread Steve Shockley
Damon McMahon wrote: This all makes sense now, and you are indeed correct. The garbage input is being sent from my console device to the OpenBSD machine when the console device boots (booting Windows 2K in this case). The reason for the 1 in 25 or so frequency is because this event only occurs w

Re: Audio

2007-04-20 Thread Steve Shockley
David Cary wrote: tried to create audio1 but did not get it right so moved audio0 to audio1 and replaced the symlink between audio and audio0 with one between audio and audio1. I think "/dev/MAKEDEV audio1" will create all four sound devices. After that try unmuting all outputs and volumes wi

Re: [Fwd: Shipped Order:2007/3/12-13:27:10-21493:]

2007-04-20 Thread Steve Shockley
Allie D. wrote: YES ! It's on it's way !! > BSD41.0020 I suppose that means you were the 20th to order...

Audio

2007-04-20 Thread David Cary
I have been a user of OpenBSD for a number of years (4 I think) and usually manage to solve my problems alone however I am having trouble getting my audio to work on this computer. $ mixerctl -a | grep master outputs.master=207,207 outputs.master.mute=off This is the relevant output of dmesg: aut

waveplay Can't set Channels on OpenBSD 4.1 current - so don't play .wav file

2007-04-20 Thread Siju George
Hi, I installed waveplay from ports on OpenBSD 4.1 current. Trying to play a wavefile I get the Following Error. Could Some one please tell me how to troubleshoot this? $ waveplay sos.wav File name : sos.wav Sampling rate : 8000 Hz Bits/Sample : 8 Bits Channels : 1 Size : 214

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Friday 20 April 2007 08:32, Tony Abernethy wrote: > Jason Beaudoin wrote: > > > > > > > Use all the tricks you can for YOUR solution, including: > > > * lots of "small" partitions > > > > What are the reasonings behind this? > > > > Thanks for the awesome post! > > I think it runs something l

Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?

2007-04-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 01:02:17PM -0400, Richard P. Welty wrote: > Kenneth R Westerback wrote: > >On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: > >>Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding > >>conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll ki

Re: spamd - good job!

2007-04-20 Thread Bob Beck
Yes, the upgrading to 4.1 page mentions this. -Bob * Frank Bax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 12:43]: > Is there a place that documents the spamd differences from 4.0 to 4.1; or > am I left with detecting the differences in documentation? I see 41.htm > mentions greylist sync

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 14:49]: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 00:36]: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: I don't think NFS/AFS i

Re: spamd - good job!

2007-04-20 Thread Curt Micol
This will set you in the right direction: http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070301144846 On 4/20/07, Frank Bax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a place that documents the spamd differences from 4.0 to 4.1; or am I left with detecting the differences in documentation? I see 41.

Re: spamd - good job!

2007-04-20 Thread Frank Bax
Is there a place that documents the spamd differences from 4.0 to 4.1; or am I left with detecting the differences in documentation? I see 41.htm mentions greylist sync which I won't need (although I could see a one-time use when migrating boxes); greytrapping sounds interesting, might try that

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 07:56:16PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 14:49]: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: > > > * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 00:36]: > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56P

page flts when running X applications

2007-04-20 Thread Tom
Hi guys, Since upgrading to the latest snapshots (4/7/2007) X applications take considerably longer to load, for instance gaim now takes 30 seconds to load rather than the 5 or so seconds I was used to. I've tried building the applications through ports rather than using packages which seems to m

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Henning Brauer
* Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 14:49]: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: > > * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 00:36]: > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > > > I don't think NFS/AFS is that

Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?

2007-04-20 Thread Jeff Ross
Kenneth R Westerback wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller (dmesg below) but I'm finding a lot more U320 drives for sale th

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Bob Beck
Bullshit. just use NFS :) -Bob * Steven Harms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-19 17:01]: > This isn't an OpenBSD specific solution, but you should be able to use an > EMC san to accomplish this (we use a fiber channel setup) > > On 4/19/07, Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?

2007-04-20 Thread Richard P. Welty
Kenneth R Westerback wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll kill the U320 in short order, not seeing any hints in the man pages. To the

Re: spamd - good job!

2007-04-20 Thread Bob Beck
Thanks. 4.1 has some major changes too, so bear in mind spamd wise it's a big change from 4.0 -Bob * Frank Bax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 08:29]: > I'm finally upgrading from 3.5 to 4.0! I use the whitelist from puremagic > and in the past 2.5 years I have also added anoth

Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?

2007-04-20 Thread Jeff Ross
Marco Peereboom wrote: Will work just fine. Might as well purchase an mpt board (mpi). Thanks, Marco! I would if I could but the onboard nics are dead and the one pci-x slot is now in use by the em0 ;-) Jeff On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, I'm trying to

Re: Back again with funny network interfaces

2007-04-20 Thread mickey
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 08:10:10AM -0700, Manuel Ravasio wrote: > > "pcmcia cardbus" is an oxymoron. > > Whoops... > Something like "childproof" and "CiscoWorks"? :-) > > > pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. > > cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. > > pccard is a

Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?

2007-04-20 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I > just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller > (dmesg below) but I'm finding a lot more U320 drives for sale than I am > U160s. >

Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?

2007-04-20 Thread Marco Peereboom
Will work just fine. Might as well purchase an mpt board (mpi). On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I > just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller > (dmesg below) but I

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Tony Abernethy
Jason Beaudoin wrote: > > > > > Use all the tricks you can for YOUR solution, including: > > * lots of "small" partitions > > What are the reasonings behind this? > > Thanks for the awesome post! > I think it runs something like this If there is a problem somewhere on the disk, if it's all

U320 Drive on U160 controller?

2007-04-20 Thread Jeff Ross
Hi, I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller (dmesg below) but I'm finding a lot more U320 drives for sale than I am U160s. Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding confli

Re: Back again with funny network interfaces

2007-04-20 Thread Andy Hayward
On 4/20/07, Manuel Ravasio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have something that looks like a couple of pcmcia cards, which fit into two pcmcia slots... I don't have a tester at home, so I can't check voltages. PCMCIA and CardBus cards are physically (very slightly) different: http://www.pcmcia.org

Re: Back again with funny network interfaces

2007-04-20 Thread Manuel Ravasio
> "pcmcia cardbus" is an oxymoron. Whoops... Something like "childproof" and "CiscoWorks"? :-) > pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. > cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. > pccard is a form factor for this devices also. Hmmm... I have something that looks like a

Re: Back again with funny network interfaces

2007-04-20 Thread Marc Balmer
mickey wrote: Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? "pcmcia cardbus" is an oxymoron. pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. pccard is a form factor for this devices also. people can't memorize computer industries acro

Re: Back again with funny network interfaces

2007-04-20 Thread Timo Schoeler
> >> Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? > > > > "pcmcia cardbus" is an oxymoron. > > > > pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. > > cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. > > pccard is a form factor for this devices also. > > people can't memorize computer i

Re: 4.0-stable lockup SOLVED NOT!

2007-04-20 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/04/20 15:11, Mitja wrote: > > Do you mean interrupt%? bsd.mp will probably drop that *way* down. > > No, memory management routines (netstat -m). ah, right. The thing to look at there is the difference between peak and max of mbuf clusters in use. Also look at net.inet.ip.ifq sysctl, if t

Re: Back again with funny network interfaces

2007-04-20 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 06:16:32AM -0700, Manuel Ravasio wrote: | I have a doubt... | | PCMCIA ethernet interface cannot negotiate more than 10Mbps, ignoring my | trials to force 100full... | PCMCIA wireless interface doesn't run at more than 11Mbps, ignoring my trials | to force 54Mbps... | | Mayb

spamd - good job!

2007-04-20 Thread Frank Bax
I'm finally upgrading from 3.5 to 4.0! I use the whitelist from puremagic and in the past 2.5 years I have also added another 10 ip addresses to spamd whitelist because of problems with mail getting through. This week I did tests on 3 of those ip addresses and we are 3/3 for current spamd acc

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Will Maier
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:03:54AM -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: > from my observations redundancy is the biggest problem with NFS > and that its ability to efficiently serve up data is more than > ample. Redundancy is certainly a problem, but lots of US HPC and distributed computing sites have

Re: gunzip changes lastmod time?

2007-04-20 Thread Frank Bax
At 02:09 PM 4/19/07, Charles Longeau wrote: 2007/4/19, Frank Bax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On an older box still running 3.5; gunzip/gzip does not change lastmod > time; but on 4.0 [release] gunzip changes the lastmod time. What's the > reason for this change? This was a bug and it has been fi

Re: Back again with funny network interfaces

2007-04-20 Thread mickey
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 06:16:32AM -0700, Manuel Ravasio wrote: > I have a doubt... > > PCMCIA ethernet interface cannot negotiate more than 10Mbps, ignoring my > trials to force 100full... > PCMCIA wireless interface doesn't run at more than 11Mbps, ignoring my trials > to force 54Mbps... > > Ma

Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client

2007-04-20 Thread Lars D . Noodén
IANAL, but sounds quite suspiscious. IPsec is an IETF standard and such a restriction doesn't make sense unless there are shortcomings to be hidden. -Lars On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Claer wrote: > Exactly. The license obliges Cisco VPN Clients to connect to Cisco > equipments only. > It is written on

Re: Back again with funny network interfaces

2007-04-20 Thread Manuel Ravasio
I have a doubt... PCMCIA ethernet interface cannot negotiate more than 10Mbps, ignoring my trials to force 100full... PCMCIA wireless interface doesn't run at more than 11Mbps, ignoring my trials to force 54Mbps... Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? Bud Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail ha

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Joachim Schipper wrote: there is nothing wrong with serving directly from NFS. Really? You have a lot more experience in this area, so I will defer to you if you are sure, but it seems to me that in the sort of system I explicitly assumed (something like a web farm), serving everything off

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Jason Beaudoin
Use all the tricks you can for YOUR solution, including: * lots of "small" partitions What are the reasonings behind this? Thanks for the awesome post! regards, ~Jason

Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client

2007-04-20 Thread Lars Hansson
Claer wrote: > "2. Cisco Systems hereby grants you the right to install and use the Software on an unlimited number of computers, provided that each of those computers must use the Software only to connect to Cisco Systems products, and subject to export restrictions in Paragraph 4 hereof." It

Re: 4.0-stable lockup SOLVED NOT!

2007-04-20 Thread Mitja
Stuart Henderson wrote: >> (em1) as up and few seconds later I mark the same interface down. My >> network usage drops significantly, currently I am looking it shows 75%. > > Do you mean interrupt%? bsd.mp will probably drop that *way* down. No, memory management routines (netstat -m). Are you sa

Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client

2007-04-20 Thread Claer
On Fri, Apr 20 2007 at 34:05, Lars D. Nood?n wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Claer wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 19 2007 at 53:12, carlopmart wrote: > >> Somebody have tried to use cisco vpn client to connect to openbsd ipsec > >> gateway using user and pass or x509 certificates? Can somebody sends me > >>

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 00:36]: > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > > I don't think NFS/AFS is that good an idea; you'll need very beefy > > > > fileservers and a fas

Re: 4.0-stable lockup SOLVED (temporarily)

2007-04-20 Thread Mitja
Adam Hawes wrote: >> The solution I came to is very simple. Currently I only need one of em >> (dual card), so I disabled the second one. When I boot the router, my >> network usage rises up to 96%. I simlpy mark that unusable interface >> (em1) as up and few seconds later I mark the same interface

Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware

2007-04-20 Thread Pete Vickers
Pete Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +47 48 17 91 00 Systemnet AS On 20 Apr 2007, at 10:42 AM, Claudio Jeker wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:48:44AM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi Claudio, On Fri, 06.04.2007 at 12:09:38 +0200, Claudio Jeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Even the most expensiv

Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups

2007-04-20 Thread Henning Brauer
* Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-20 00:36]: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > I don't think NFS/AFS is that good an idea; you'll need very beefy > > > fileservers and a fast network. > > > > NFS may actually be useful; if you really need the f

Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client

2007-04-20 Thread Stefan Held
Am Donnerstag, den 19.04.2007, 12:53 +0200 schrieb carlopmart: > Hi all, > > Somebody have tried to use cisco vpn client to connect to openbsd ipsec > gateway using user and pass or x509 certificates? Can somebody sends me some > examples ? This will not work. The Cisco Client gets his configur

Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client

2007-04-20 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Claer wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19 2007 at 53:12, carlopmart wrote: >> Somebody have tried to use cisco vpn client to connect to openbsd ipsec >> gateway using user and pass or x509 certificates? Can somebody sends me >> some examples ? > It's explicitely forbidden in the license.

Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client

2007-04-20 Thread Claer
On Thu, Apr 19 2007 at 53:12, carlopmart wrote: > Hi all, Hi, > Somebody have tried to use cisco vpn client to connect to openbsd ipsec > gateway using user and pass or x509 certificates? Can somebody sends me > some examples ? It's explicitely forbidden in the license. So I didn't took time to

Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware

2007-04-20 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:48:44AM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: > Hi Claudio, > > On Fri, 06.04.2007 at 12:09:38 +0200, Claudio Jeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Even the most expensive Cisco/Foundry/Extreme switches have not the CPU > > power to route or filter packets. > > how comes they boast

Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware

2007-04-20 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/04/20 09:48, Toni Mueller wrote: > Hi Claudio, > > On Fri, 06.04.2007 at 12:09:38 +0200, Claudio Jeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Even the most expensive Cisco/Foundry/Extreme switches have not the CPU > > power to route or filter packets. > > how comes they boast running BGP and such

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Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware

2007-04-20 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi Claudio, On Fri, 06.04.2007 at 12:09:38 +0200, Claudio Jeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even the most expensive Cisco/Foundry/Extreme switches have not the CPU > power to route or filter packets. how comes they boast running BGP and such stuff? Eg. Cisco 6509 and up, or Extreme Black Diamond

Re: [Fwd: Shipped Order:2007/3/12-13:27:10-21493:]

2007-04-20 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
"Allie D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > YES ! It's on it's way !! got mine on wednesday :) http://www.bsdly.net/~peter/OpenBSD41_bergen_01.jpg, http://www.bsdly.net/~peter/OpenBSD41_bergen_02.jpg -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug

Re: acx/ath card information

2007-04-20 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Tom Van Looy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually the manpages said DWL-G650 should be supported by acx, well it > appears as an ath on my machine. the DWL-G650 is ath, the DWL-G650+ (note the plus) is acx. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www