Re: Current on FuLoong unable to figure out system type

2010-02-19 Thread Lars Nooden
Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:44:17PM +0200, Lars Nooden wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, Otto Moerbeek wrote: Retry with boot -k tftp://..., as suggested by the error message. Also PMON sometimes gets confused, and a power cycle is needed (using the reset button is not enough

Re: Current on FuLoong unable to figure out system type

2010-02-19 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2010 Feb 19 (Fri) at 10:05:06 +0200 (+0200), Lars Nooden wrote: :Otto Moerbeek wrote: : The lasy days I spent on working at the install procedure. The code I : am about to commit is able to create a small ext2 partition or use an : existing ext2 one to install the bootloader on. The kernel the

Re: Current on FuLoong unable to figure out system type

2010-02-19 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:05:06AM +0200, Lars Nooden wrote: Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:44:17PM +0200, Lars Nooden wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, Otto Moerbeek wrote: Retry with boot -k tftp://..., as suggested by the error message. Also PMON sometimes gets confused,

Re: Current on FuLoong unable to figure out system type

2010-02-19 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:13:05AM +0100, Peter Hessler wrote: On 2010 Feb 19 (Fri) at 10:05:06 +0200 (+0200), Lars Nooden wrote: :Otto Moerbeek wrote: : The lasy days I spent on working at the install procedure. The code I : am about to commit is able to create a small ext2 partition or use

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

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2010-02-19 Thread Alexandre Ratchov
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Re: HIFN 7955 Support in OpenBSD 4.6 on AMD Geode LX800 System

2010-02-19 Thread Christian Weisgerber
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Re: OpenNTPd source IP

2010-02-19 Thread Henning Brauer
* Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org [2010-02-10 20:32]: On 2010-02-10, Baginski Darren kick...@ya.ru wrote: Ihave multihomed server with and willing to specify outgoing IP for ntpd, since stratum 1 server allows connection olnly from IP and OpenNTPd chouses IP closest to

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-19 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:59:05PM -0500, Jason Beaudoin wrote: As I often have greater respect for a much larger portion of this list than the rest of the internet, I am curious what is thought about current IDS/IPS hardware from vendors like Trustwave, Checkpoint, Alert Logic, mod_security,

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Lars Nooden wrote: L. V. Lammert wrote: ... no way I'd saddle some of these guys with vi, much less setting the cron time parameters correctly. Then you are far, far better off not letting them anywhere near the server room if they are that unqualified. No, that

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more OT than you think Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Diana Eichert
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, L. V. Lammert wrote: No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup image out to a DR server, than *we* have failed as technologists. Lee You are missing the

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Re: Dump levels ?

2010-02-19 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:54:55PM +0100, Jean-Francois wrote: Is it possible to clarify what resides behind the concept of levels regarding dump(8) ? For me the level 0 is understood to be a complete dump of all files on at a given mount point and all subdirectories. But I can't figure out

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Johan Beisser
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:21 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup image out to a DR server, than *we* have failed as technologists. Wait.

Re: more OT than you think Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Woodchuck
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Diana Eichert deich...@wrench.com wrote: snip thread You are missing the point of privilege then. Privilege gives you access to tools and right to shoot yourself in the foot. It is obvious to me that someone was elevated to a privileged level without

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Johan Beisser wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:21 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup image out to a DR server,

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Kevin Wilcox
On 19 February 2010 11:21, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Lars Nooden wrote: L. V. Lammert wrote: ... no way I'd saddle some of these guys with vi, much less setting the cron time parameters correctly. Then you are far, far better off not letting them

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote: If *you* are letting underqualified users have privileged access to an Unix machine then the failure here is *you*. Didn't say they had access to the **MACHINE** THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT FOR THE NCURSES QUESTION, if you had bothered to read the OP instead

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Miod Vallat
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Re: more OT than you think Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Diana Eichert wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, L. V. Lammert wrote: No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup image out to a DR server, than *we* have failed as

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, FRLinux wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:08 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Found one tcl/tk at: http://www.linux-kheops.com/pub/vcron/vcronGB.html but running an X tool would app would be too complicated for this requirement. Wow, from the page BE

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread FRLinux
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:50 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Yep, .. that's one reason I don't want to use it. We'll probably end up creating our own tool with nCurses that looks something like vcron. It just feels like we're recreating the wheel, however. Well, I believe that

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Andres Genovez
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Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread FRLinux
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:08 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Found one tcl/tk at: http://www.linux-kheops.com/pub/vcron/vcronGB.html but running an X tool would app would be too complicated for this requirement. Wow, from the page BE CARREFUL, some Slackware seem to have an access

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Tomas Bodzar
Users can edit their own crontabs. You can set for them some GUI editor trough variable for crontab and prepare some icon on desktop or something similar. But if you want for them to be able to edit root crontab then reactions of other people here are valid. PS: I'm curious why non-sysadmin aka

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Tomas Bodzar
yep I tested it now because I use just vi for it. $ export VISUAL=/usr/bin/gedit $ echo $VISUAL /usr/bin/gedit $ crontab -e will start gedit and I can modify my crontab in GUI editor. Man pages even on Linux are pretty straightforward and if someone can't understand how to use those 5 columns

Re: Dump levels ?

2010-02-19 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:51:23PM +0100, Jean-Francois wrote: Le Jeudi 18 Fivrier 2010 23:43:38, Adriaan a icrit : On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Jean-Francois jfsimon1...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] My dump level 1 dumps all the files again. How to let it dump based on the lower

Re: Kernel page fault trap, code=0, uvm_fault, what to do next

2010-02-19 Thread Henning Brauer
* Marcin Wilk nic...@nicram.sytes.net [2010-02-12 10:04]: uvm_fault(0xd0891180, 0x4000, 0, 3) -e kernel: page fault trap, code=0 Stopped at pf_state_key_detach+0x40: movl %eax0,4(%ecx) ddb{0} dmesg: OpenBSD 4.6 (NICRAM.MP) #0: Wed Feb 10 12:10:36 CET 2010 get stable. and use GENERIC. --

Re: pf packet tagging and keep state

2010-02-19 Thread Henning Brauer
* Agung T. Apriyanto dup...@gmail.com [2010-02-13 11:19]: if a packet already has a state, it would ignore re-read the whole filter rule in the same interface, yes ? yes. even when that packet get tagged but in the same interface, i mean, state will ignore tag and tagged if they were on

Re: MAX_KMAPENT and NKMEMPAGES

2010-02-19 Thread Henning Brauer
* Vasiliy Kiryanov vasiliy.kirya...@gmail.com [2010-02-18 18:08]: Hello Community. There are 2 parameters that I would want to understand better and trace somehow: MAX_KMAPENT, and NKMEMPAGES. they don't really matter any more. notice: I have found only one source of such info: Running

Re: Dump levels ?

2010-02-19 Thread Jean-Francois
Le Vendredi 19 Fivrier 2010 21:15:46, Otto Moerbeek a icrit : On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:51:23PM +0100, Jean-Francois wrote: Le Jeudi 18 Fivrier 2010 23:43:38, Adriaan a icrit : On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Jean-Francois jfsimon1...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] My dump level

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Re: Dump levels ?

2010-02-19 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:49:35PM +0100, Jean-Francois wrote: Le Vendredi 19 Fivrier 2010 21:15:46, Otto Moerbeek a icrit : On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:51:23PM +0100, Jean-Francois wrote: Le Jeudi 18 Fivrier 2010 23:43:38, Adriaan a icrit : On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM,

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Kevin Wilcox
On 19 February 2010 14:37, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote: If *you* are letting underqualified users have privileged access to an Unix machine then the failure here is *you*. Didn't say they had access to the **MACHINE** THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

2010-02-19 Thread Han Hwei Woo
I can tell you that *BSD is alive and well, and if anything is thriving in the network, data centre, and hosting environments. A search of the NANOG mailing lists (anyone teaching networking should know what NANOG is), and the webhostingtalk.com forums (where many hosting providers participate)

Re: Dump levels ?

2010-02-19 Thread Philip Guenther
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Jean-Francois jfsimon1...@gmail.com wrote: ... Not sure to understand the subtle of the man page explanations regarding the dump of different nature of mount points. Just one additional information, the dump of higher levels work when I dump /var but not

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Kevin Wilcox
On 19 February 2010 14:32, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Johan Beisser wrote: What the hell is so hard about: If you have to ask what's so hard, it's too hard. The OP was about making the process **SIMPLE**, .. not complicated. Man pages are used to learn about

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote: On 19 February 2010 14:37, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Didn't say they had access to the **MACHINE** THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT FOR THE NCURSES QUESTION, if you had bothered to read the OP instead of bitching about what you THOUGHT it meant.

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote: On 19 February 2010 14:32, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Man pages typically have examples. *BUT* man pages are not instructions to perform a task/function, .. and are irrelavent for this question. It's called learning and you are

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Paul M
On 20/02/2010, at 10:14 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: ... but that's way too much detail for the level of the question I was asking. Lee I couldn't dissagree more! I too have been following this thread, and I'm confused. Many people have jumped in and slammed various concepts -

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Kevin Wilcox
On 19 February 2010 16:14, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote: On 19 February 2010 14:37, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Didn't say they had access to the **MACHINE** THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT FOR THE NCURSES QUESTION, if you had bothered to

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Paul M
if they don't have access to the machine then **why are you looking for alternatives to crontab**? Changes to the actual machines will be pushed via ssh, .. but that's way too much detail for the level of the question I was asking. Lee Actually, this is not too much info at all -

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Paul M wrote: it's **Not clear whatproblem you're actualy trying to solve.** What's so difficult about need a way to edit crontab with something like an nCurses interface? That seems to be, by definition, simple, point-and-click, definate options, no man pages, no vi

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:21:12AM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup image out to a DR server, than *we* have failed as technologists. There's nothing

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Ted Unangst
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:14 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: The chaps tweaking the crontab entries are Windoze admins, and they need to adjust the start/stop times on cronjobs that start and stop replication Then have them create a Windows service that runs ssh and does whatever it

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Paul M
On 20/02/2010, at 11:14 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Paul M wrote: it's **Not clear whatproblem you're actualy trying to solve.** What's so difficult about need a way to edit crontab with something like an nCurses interface? That seems to be, by definition, simple,

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Theo de Raadt
I am very impressed by the oratary skills you have all shown in this discussion... but please... can this thread be terminated soon? On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Paul M wrote: it's **Not clear whatproblem you're actualy trying to solve.** What's so difficult about need a way to edit crontab

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

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Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:11:21 -0700 (MST) Diana Eichert deich...@wrench.com wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Steve Shockley wrote: On 2/13/2010 6:49 PM, Diana Eichert wrote: PS when I went to college BSD didn't exist and I turned out okay The overly pedantic part

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Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

2010-02-19 Thread Chris Dukes
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 07:08:44PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: that would be useable for basic sysadmin types (maybe something nCurses)? 'crontab -e' Unless basic admin had developed some new meaning of which I am unaware. -- Chris Dukes

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Re: Dump levels ?

2010-02-19 Thread Greg Thomas
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:11 PM, and...@msu.edu wrote: Dump levels other than 0 allow you to make partial dumps. I used to do dump level 0's at the start of the month. Then from Monday to Thursday I'd to dump 9's. Each dump would save things from the previous 9 (or 0 the first time).

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Re: Traffic control

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