Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Andrés
Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll note that the first has a newer date than the later, that's because I delete it, and I asked Hugo to send it to me again :P Thought that his words could be useful. Greetings. -- Forwarded message -- From: Hugo

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Jason George
Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll note that the first has a newer date than the later, that's because I delete it, and I asked Hugo to send it to me again :P Thought that his words could be useful. Only useful if you are trolling. Hilter. Godwin. Done.

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Jason George wrote: Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll note that the first has a newer date than the later, that's because I delete it, and I asked Hugo to send it to me again :P Thought that his words could be useful. It is interesting and honestly I didn't

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Nick Guenther
On Dec 7, 2007 10:51 AM, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason George wrote: Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll note that the first has a newer date than the later, that's because I delete it, and I asked Hugo to send it to me again :P Thought

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Ste Jones wrote: Just to say lighttpd appears to be BSD licensed http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/browser/trunk/COPYING Between appears to be and being, there is a difference. Right from the home page, http://www.lighttpd.net/ fifth line And best of all it's Open Source licensed under the

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 12/7/07, Andris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll First of all, you have to take a look at the webserver market. You use Apache, IIS, Lighttpd or you don't use anything at all. If you want Ok, I'll take the bait:

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread bofh
On Dec 7, 2007 12:41 PM, Eric Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The deal breaker for Hiawatha, IMO (and I know it counts for nothing), was his I will never abandon the GPL statement. People really need to read the entire email before commenting. I'm not negative towards using the BSD license for

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Andrés
On Dec 7, 2007 2:41 PM, Eric Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:39:39 -0600, Gregg Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 12/7/07, Andris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll First of all, you have to take a look

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:41, Eric Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:39:39 -0600, Gregg Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 12/7/07, Andris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll First of all, you have to take a look at

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Gilbert Fernandes
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 03:14:19PM +, Jason George wrote: Only useful if you are trolling. Hilter. Godwin. Done. you forgot one step my dear friend : 1. hilter 2. godwin 3. ? 4. profit ! ok ok im out. i know the way out... -[] -- unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; find ;

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Okan Demirmen
while people are still reading this thread, i'll take this opportunty to remind folks that if you'd like to help, please _test_ the very important ipv6 patchset for the existing httpd(8). http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20071206151810

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Marc Espie
Whatever. I'm responsible for tracking down an annoying bug Antoine Jacoutot had with hiawatha on some machines. Namely, hiawatha was not starting up if you had 1024 file descriptors available, or something really weird like that. Turns out the culprit was bad coding habits. Some system call was

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Christopher Linn
This horse is dead, Jim. Well, fix it, Bones. Sorry Jim, there's no way to do that. Damnit, Bones. -- Christopher Linn celinn at mtu.edu | By no means shall either the CEC System Administrator II | or MTU be held in any way liable Center for Experimental Computation | for any

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Eric Furman
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:39:39 -0600, Gregg Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 12/7/07, Andris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll First of all, you have to take a look at the webserver market. You use Apache, IIS, Lighttpd or you

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Ste Jones
On Dec 7, 2007 4:15 PM, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ste Jones wrote: Just to say lighttpd appears to be BSD licensed http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/browser/trunk/COPYING Between appears to be and being, there is a difference. Right from the home page, http://www.lighttpd.net/

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Greg Thomas
On Dec 7, 2007 5:10 AM, Andris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll note that the first has a newer date than the later, that's because I delete it, and I asked Hugo to send it to me again :P -- Forwarded message --

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Marco Peereboom
What is wrong with using the ports/packages system? Why do people keep asking to replace x with y in base? Whenever something is ready for base it'll happen. Until then you are saying: you idiots don't know what you are doing because you are using x instead of y. Nice start to get a discussion

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread ropers
$ lynx http://hiawatha.leisink.org Looking up hiawatha.leisink.org Unable to locate remote host hiawatha.leisink.org. Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. lynx: Can't access startfile http://hiawatha.leisink.org/ What an extremely reliable webserver! (Yea, server-reliability !=

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Matthew Weigel
Daniel Ouellet wrote: Ste Jones wrote: Just to say lighttpd appears to be BSD licensed http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/browser/trunk/COPYING Between appears to be and being, there is a difference. Just to clarify: 1- the author claims that it is under the BSD license. Well, the author is the

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Ste Jones
On Dec 7, 2007 7:32 PM, Andris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 7, 2007 3:57 PM, Ste Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But hey I am not an Openbsd developer and can't comment on the security of lighttpd's code, but I think most people would agree it would be better to have a maintained piece of

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Bob Beck
The latter is far more accurate than the former. Greg Good god folks, just stop it. It's GPL, so it isn't going to happen. -Bob

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Greg Thomas
On Dec 7, 2007 8:21 AM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to this point, I see both sides not really giving a chance to listen to the other. He finds BSDers abrasive; Funny, I've more found linux to be the bastion of irritating screechy fanbois. This is a sign that we (myself

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Andrés
On Dec 7, 2007 3:57 PM, Ste Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But hey I am not an Openbsd developer and can't comment on the security of lighttpd's code, but I think most people would agree it would be better to have a maintained piece of BSD software opposed to a fairly stagnant bit of GPL.

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Andrés
On Dec 7, 2007 2:41 PM, Eric Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I'll add my own two p. Even tho I know nobody asked. http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/ Not feature rich, but it's small, fast and strives for security. Seems to have a BSDish license as well. License example of thttpd: /*

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-04 Thread Andrés
On Dec 3, 2007 10:53 PM, Damien Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secondly, I don't think anyone in OpenBSD would display as much hubris as this claim on the Hiawatha home page: Hiawatha's source code is free of security-bugs. Heh, OK.

Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-03 Thread Andrés
I was reading about Hiawatha security features, and seems like a perfect fit for OpenBSD goals. I'd volunteer to talk to Hugo Leisink (the developer) and see if the code could be relicensed if the project has interest in it. IMHO, replacing forked software with actively developed one is a good

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-03 Thread Damien Miller
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Andris wrote: I was reading about Hiawatha security features, and seems like a perfect fit for OpenBSD goals. I'd volunteer to talk to Hugo Leisink (the developer) and see if the code could be relicensed if the project has interest in it. IMHO, replacing forked software

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-03 Thread STeve Andre'
On Monday 03 December 2007 20:53:31 Damien Miller wrote: On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Andris wrote: I was reading about Hiawatha security features, and seems like a perfect fit for OpenBSD goals. I'd volunteer to talk to Hugo Leisink (the developer) and see if the code could be relicensed if the

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-03 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 09:20:39PM -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: On Monday 03 December 2007 20:53:31 Damien Miller wrote: On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Andris wrote: I was reading about Hiawatha security features, and seems like a perfect fit for OpenBSD goals. I'd volunteer to talk to Hugo Leisink