On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> How much do you hate mailman for all those "here is a reminder of your
> mailing list memberships" messages?
They're only slightly irritating and I get a dozen of them every month.
If they wouldn't show up on lists that I'd actually been active on I'd
Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes, but...
>
> How much do you hate mailman for all those "here is a reminder of your
> mailing list memberships" messages?
That's why my initial suggestion was once per three months...
-- Johan
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 14:05, Iain 'Spoon' Truskett wrote:
> A format using the META.yml file has sprung up.
This works for new releases of modules but it depends on people using it so it
does nothing for the current issues with search.cpan.org.
Looking at 02packages.details.txt, I see Test::
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, James E Keenan wrote:
> May I begin a separate thread for a line of discussion coming up under
> the dead camels?
Sure.
> I'm going to present empirical observations only; it would be premature
> to make suggestions for changes until we heard from more contributors.
It's neve
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:09:52AM -0400, Christopher Hicks wrote:
>
> (A) Do we have any idea what tha algorithm it's using is?
Soundex for everything but Authors and Docs which then uses CPAN::WAIT.
e.
Christopher Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
>
> > How much do you hate mailman for all those "here is a reminder of your
> > mailing list memberships" messages?
>
> They're only slightly irritating and I get a dozen of them every month.
> If they w
Sorry for beating the dead horse a little more, but here goes...
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:27:47AM -0400, Christopher Hicks wrote:
> > Maybe the e-mail should do something informative like list how many years,
> > months and days it's been since a give
elaine writes:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:43:13AM -0500, Mark Stosberg wrote:
>
> > I think [Acme::Current]'s a stale joke that's wasting new resources
> > daily.
>
> Well, it was presumeably for an article to show kids how to upload
> Acme modules automatically ...
Oh, I'd been presuming it
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:28:05AM -0400, darren chamberlain wrote:
>
> That's not to mention the private mirrors, of course, and copies
> generated from those mirrors.
Or CD distributions of CPAN or OS distributions of modules...etc.
Yes. :)
e.
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 05:17 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote:
If there are no bugs, there is no need for bug fixes.
MJD gets very irritated with people asking whether certain of his
modules are abandoned, simply because the most recent version is old.
Why are you assuming that all stable code has
* Steve Fink ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [05 Aug 2003 19:12]:
[...]
> He also said there's no way to suppress the indexer.
At the time, yes.
A format using the META.yml file has sprung up.
Check out your local cpan mirror at the file:
$cpan/modules/by-authors/id/A/AN/ANDK/Test-Private-PleaseIgnore-0.0
> The "Mature" development status (http://search.cpan.org/dlsip) is
> meant to address this.
>
> But it's not well integrated on search.cpan.org, in the sense that
> viewing a distribution page (http://search.cpan.org/author/MJD/Tie-File)
> doesn't show the DLSIP flags for the modules it contains.
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:27:47AM -0400, Christopher Hicks wrote:
> Maybe the e-mail should do something informative like list how many years,
> months and days it's been since a given module has been updated. Some
> weak souls might be guilted into pushing out bug fixes sooner.
If there are n
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:15:25AM -0500, elaine wrote:
>
> Well, you know, CPAN and BackPAN /are/ archives...there are a lot of
> crap books in every library that noone reads much but will occasionally
> get sent out on loan :) They don't eat much space and, aside from ones
> parked on a good na
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* elaine [2003-08-06 08:22]:
> On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 10:05:46AM -0700, Tim Maher wrote:
> >
> > Glad you mentioned that, because I've been wondering, where can one
> > find hit and download stats for CPAN modules?
>
> Well, you can't :) There are
On Aug-04, James E Keenan wrote:
> Searching via "All":
> 1st distro appearing is Test::More as part of Palm-Progect-2.0.1 by Michael
> Graham. Schwern's Test::More appears 4th on list. Note: In recent weeks
> 1st distro appearing under this search was Test::More as part of
> parrot-0.0.010 by S
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:47:09AM -0500, Ken Williams wrote:
>
> I agree. There are plenty of modules on CPAN that people still find
> useful even though they haven't had recent development on them. It's
> much better to inform people of known/serious bugs in modules, than to
> try to guess
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:51:15AM -0400, Christopher Hicks wrote:
> Sorry for beating the dead horse a little more, but here goes...
>
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > But *do not* send out an "all's well" message, which will get filtered
> > with the spam to /dev/null, because cry
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:43:13AM -0500, Mark Stosberg wrote:
>
> I don't mind that there are a lot of rarely modules that are still
> accessible. I mind when they show up in search results and I have to
> wade through them to get to the juicy modules. There is not an easy way
> to distinguish th
elaine wrote:
I also used to run analog on the search logs but, again, I
doubt that they would be accurate in any way for measuring module
downloads and interest.
They're not, as I can readily attest. According to those stats, CSS::SAC is one
*really* popular module. Ego boost apart, I know there
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:24:29PM +0200, Elizabeth Mattijsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> This could be as simple as sending an email once a month to the CPAN
> id's mail address and set a flag when it has bounced. Maybe once a
> year you would like the author to actually reply to make sure th
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 12:38:29AM -0400, Steve Grazzini wrote:
> If it matters, CPAN gives (or cites, really) good reasons why
> those statistics shouldn't be provided.
>
> FAQ:
>
> Does CPAN provide download statistics for authors?
>
> No we don't. http://xxx.lanl.gov/help/faq/statfaq su
On Tuesday Andrew Savige wrote:
> How about adding a "nextofkin" attribute to META.yml, say?
That sounds like a great idea -- there doesn't seem to be any
disadvantage in encouraging module authors to provide this information.
(Of course it's of no use in tracing existing awol authors. And movi
How about adding a "nextofkin" attribute to META.yml, say?
The value of the nextofkin attribute might be a list of CPAN IDs
and/or email addresses of people who have agreed to inherit your
module should you die or become inactive. Ideally, at least one of
the nextofkin should physically know the m
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 10:05:46AM -0700, Tim Maher wrote:
>
> Glad you mentioned that, because I've been wondering,
> where can one find hit and download stats for CPAN modules?
Well, you can't :) There are over 200 mirrors, each running either
ftp, http or both and we don't collect the logs. It
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:34:16AM -0500, Mark Stosberg wrote:
>
> Is there is a Soundex::FamilyFriendly::Filter out there? I wasn't
> expecting the Pr0n to popup there like that on my innocent query. :)
Well, see, children just shouldn't be allowed near perl lest they
fall into the vortex like
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:01:11AM -0500, Mark Stosberg wrote:
> > The "Mature" development status (http://search.cpan.org/dlsip) is
> > meant to address this.
> >
> > But it's not well integrated on search.cpan.org, in the sense that
> > viewing a distribution page (http://search.cpan.org/author/
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:06:34AM -0500, elaine wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:09:52AM -0400, Christopher Hicks wrote:
> >
> > (A) Do we have any idea what tha algorithm it's using is?
>
> Soundex for everything but Authors and Docs which then uses CPAN::WAIT.
I suppose that explains why s
Nicholas Clark sent the following bits through the ether:
> But *do not* send out an "all's well" message
Hear, hear!
This thread has been very amusing but not very productive. Please
produce a list of modules which you think are out of date and need to
be taken over. Then please provide people
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 11:43:40AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
>> It turns out that in June there were 4000+ hits on modules in
>
> Andy, why don't you talk with acme about getting such information
> added to the CPANTS metrics... clearly it is something that authors
> want to know.
If it matters, C
At 11:17 +0100 8/5/03, Nicholas Clark wrote:
But *do not* send out an "all's well" message, which will get filtered with
the spam to /dev/null, because crying wolf like this will cause people to
miss subsequent real, serious, messages.
The message would e.g. consist of:
- last time you accessed PA
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:17:36AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:27:47AM -0400, Christopher Hicks wrote:
> > Maybe the e-mail should do something informative like list how many years,
> > months and days it's been since a given module has been updated. Some
> > weak s
May I begin a separate thread for a line of discussion coming up under the
dead camels? The discussion suggests we should also look at (1) what
search.cpan.org comes up with in searching for modules; and (2) what links
PAUSE builds when it extracts POD from an uploaded module. I'm going to
presen
At 21:58 +0100 8/4/03, Nicholas Clark wrote:
Anyway, it's moot point as you already know that the person assigned to
VERP takes an awfully long time to getting a round tuit, so it's unlikely
to be finished soon ( http://siesta.unixbeard.net/svn/trunk/siesta/TODO )
Hmmm... that says:
==
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:24:29PM +0200, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote:
> This could be as simple as sending an email once a month to the CPAN
> id's mail address and set a flag when it has bounced. Maybe once a
> year you would like the author to actually reply to make sure the
> mail isn't going
At 08:58 -0500 8/4/03, Andy Lester wrote:
At 10:34 AM +0400 8/4/03, Konovalov, Vadim wrote:
> I wouldn't mind there being something in PAUSE that says "you have to
touch the module once a year." I don't mean worthless updates, like
but how do you distinguish cases when module does not need updat
Hello,
As long as we are discussing ways to improve the quality of CPAN, this
seems like a good time to mention CPANTS. While addresses Dead Camels
does patch a hole in CPAN, Schwern's CPANTS proposal provides
a complete solution for quality control for CPAN.
Here's a link to more information
Try Test::More, it's true home is Test::Simple but that's 5th on the list.
Understood. HTTP::Response was just an example, and one that was
annoying me because of the skewing of the stats I was collecting...
--
Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
Andy, why don't you talk with acme about getting such information
added to the CPANTS metrics... clearly it is something that authors
want to know.
Oh, I have. It was talking with Leon that this project first came
into being. My goal isn't to have an ongoing stats collection
process like he's g
At 10:34 AM +0400 8/4/03, Konovalov, Vadim wrote:
> I wouldn't mind there being something in PAUSE that says "you have to
touch the module once a year." I don't mean worthless updates, like
but how do you distinguish cases when module does not need updates, just
because it does not needs to be u
> It turns out that in June there were 4000+ hits on modules in the
could you please teach me how do you look such statistic?
Is it available for public?
Andy, why don't you talk with acme about getting such information
added to the CPANTS metrics... clearly it is something that author
> It turns out that in June there were 4000+ hits on modules in the
could you please teach me how do you look such statistic?
Is it available for public?
TIA,
Vadim.
On Sunday 03 August 2003 17:45, Andy Lester wrote:
> There's a distro on CPAN now called lcwa that I would love to see
> disappear. It's from 1997 and it's one of those distros that
> included all its necessary parts rather than rely on depencies.
> Unfortunately, those parts are 6 years out of da
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Rocco Caputo wrote:
> I think you can find someone to care about almost any CPAN module.
> Likewise, I suspect that all but the most redundant, and perhaps
> uselessly broken modules have at least one user who will be upset when
> it goes away.
I mainly meant those broken mod
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Johan Vromans wrote:
> Maybe a periodic 'ping' to module maintainers (e.g., once every two or
> three months) and mark maintainers (and their modules) that miss a
> couple of pings. Modules marked as such could be returned last by the
> search engines, and be clearly marked as
"Iain 'Spoon' Truskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ask the author to update or delete. Or offer to take over maintenance.
> Your problems begin when you can't *find* the author.
Maybe a periodic 'ping' to module maintainers (e.g., once every two or
three months) and mark maintainers (and their
* Gabor Szabo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [03 Aug 2003 18:31]:
[...]
> If I encounter such a module what should I suggest to the author ?
Ask the author to update or delete. Or offer to take over maintenance.
Your problems begin when you can't *find* the author.
Some of the older dists that bundle in
> I wouldn't mind there being something in PAUSE that says "you have to
> touch the module once a year." I don't mean worthless updates, like
but how do you distinguish cases when module does not need updates, just
because it does not needs to be updated (still in a good shape)?
one-year cycle
At 10:05 AM -0700 8/3/03, Tim Maher wrote:
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:45:01AM -0500, Andy Lester wrote:
It turns out that in June there were 4000+ hits on modules in the
Glad you mentioned that, because I've been wondering,
where can one find hit and download stats for CPAN modules?
You can't. I
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:45:01AM -0500, Andy Lester wrote:
>
> It turns out that in June there were 4000+ hits on modules in the
Glad you mentioned that, because I've been wondering,
where can one find hit and download stats for CPAN modules?
> lcwa distro instead of their "real" distros. Th
I wouldn't mind there being something in PAUSE that says "you have to
touch the module once a year." I don't mean worthless updates, like
MJD was talking about in one of his lightning talks, but at least
that you have an interest in maintaining it.
There's a distro on CPAN now called lcwa that
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:28:57AM +0200, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote:
> At 08:06 +0300 8/3/03, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> >There are a few modules on CPAN that seem to be dead.
> >Without pointing fingers (to myself :-), let's say there is a
> >module called Dead::Camel someone started to develop, uploade
At 08:06 +0300 8/3/03, Gabor Szabo wrote:
There are a few modules on CPAN that seem to be dead.
Without pointing fingers (to myself :-), let's say there is a
module called Dead::Camel someone started to develop, uploaded to
CPAN but it never reached any form of usable version or for some
other reas
There are a few modules on CPAN that seem to be dead.
Without pointing fingers (to myself :-), let's say there is a
module called Dead::Camel someone started to develop, uploaded to
CPAN but it never reached any form of usable version or for some
other reason it is unusable today.
Eliminating th
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