David -
I answered this yesterday. It is NOT in the constitution, but State Law, MSA
297A.99.
Dann Dobson
No Stadium Tax Coalition
Summit Hill - Saint Paul
"David A. Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Getting behind a public ownership proposal is a wa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Getting behind a public ownership proposal is a way to oppose "the deal"
without really opposing the most critical part of the deal, which is to strip away
our right to vote on proposals to hike local sales taxes.
Where exactly is this "right" enshrined in our state
Dean C. scribed in part:
Also if enough people disagree with any tax increase you do have a say -
vote out those who approved the tax increase and vote into office candidates
who promise to repeal the tax.
<<<
GH here:
But voting the politicians out after the fact.isn't that closing the
This has the ring of truth to it. Another Bush-Pawlenty type trick to make
the poor pay most of the taxes, and give it to the rich. Pretty much the
way it was everywhere before the French and American Revolutions. We
didn't start with a formal aristocracy, but they're working on one now.
--David S
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, December 5, 2005 8:29 am
Subject: [Mpls] Twins stadium is a trojan horse
> The Hennepin County board wants to impose a local sales tax
> without voter
> approval to pay for a new Twins stadium. It's a tiny tax. It's for
> the b
The Hennepin County board wants to impose a local sales tax without voter
approval to pay for a new Twins stadium. It's a tiny tax. It's for the baseball
fans. Right?
The stadium deal will set a precendent. If Hennepin County can hike a local
sales tax without voter approval today for a stadium
Keeping the Twins here puts a large amount of money in the general fund, from
taxes paid by the players to surrounding establishments staying solvent. I
am a huge Twins fan and would gladly pay for a new stadium but I also realize
many people aren't. That being said, I do not have children in
First off, I have to state that I am against the use of public funding for
stadiums. The information below is simply to answer some questions on
finance and funding.
Jeremy Wieland wrote:
One question that I have for both the pro- and anti-stadium crowd is why
we
can't hang the public obligati
Mark Snyder wrote:
Because bond interest rates are determined in part by the "risk" associated
with a project. Taxpayer-backed bonds are lower risk than bonds backed by
ticket surcharges and so the interest rates are lower and the overall
project cost is lower.
With all do respect, the risk
I usually stay out of this debate at the risk of angering Baseball lovers. I
personally, and I know you have heard it before, believe the players should
use their millions of dollars to pay for the stadium. I do like baseball and do
not feel like you should ask me to pay for a new stadium that I
I know what would assuage my pessimism about this bill's chances with Major
League Baseball - a letter from Commissioner Bud Selig or some similar
representative of MLB ownership that stated that Rep. Kahn's proposal would
be viewed favorably, or better yet, that would guarantee passage by the
own
On 12/2/05 4:36 PM, "Jeremy Wieland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One question that I have for both the pro- and anti-stadium crowd is why we
> can't hang the public obligation for a new stadium on ticket prices? The
> Twins average about 1.9 million fans a year. Maybe 2 million with a new
> bal
Amen, huzzah, and right on!
-David Shove
Roseville
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Gary Hoover wrote:
> Jeremy W. scribes, in part:
> >>>
> One question that I have for both the pro- and anti-stadium crowd is why we
> can't hang the public obligation for a new stadium on ticket prices? The
> Twins averag
Jeremy W. scribes, in part:
One question that I have for both the pro- and anti-stadium crowd is why we
can't hang the public obligation for a new stadium on ticket prices? The
Twins average about 1.9 million fans a year. Maybe 2 million with a new
ball park. (Everyone involved with building
yllis Kahn
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:40 PM
To: mpls@mnforum.org
Subject: [Mpls] Twins
I wish the people who are so critical of the community ownership
proposal would take the time to read it.
( Re: Minnesota Twins in Mpls. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
7. Re: Minnesota Twins in Mpls.- Take
I wish the people who are so critical of the community ownership
proposal would take the time to read it.
( Re: Minnesota Twins in Mpls. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Wi
Mark Snyder wrote:
http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If
you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL
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2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait.
For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discus
I believe any referendum taking place would need to be for all of Hennepin
county, correct?
Are there any county-wide elections scheduled for Hennepin in 2005? I don't
believe so and if not, then the earliest a county-wide referendum could take
place is 2006, unless an election were held simply f
Earlier this year supporters of public financing for a new Twins stadium
argued that a referendum (normally required by State law for this type of
sales tax increase) would be a 'deal-killer' due to the delay it would
mean and the associated increased costs. Now, thanks to the MN
legislature and P
Hows that for a deal? Instead of a top shelf martini- or a delicious
appetizer-Twins fans tonight in Minneapolis chose the Parking ticket for
critical parking. They could of parked in the park and rides..for free-but
no. And thank god for the first time this month parking enforcement was
> The braves play in a stadium that was the site of the track and field
> events at the 96 olympics which was a brand new facility. I don't
> think that was paid for with private money but maybe it was. Maybe
> ted turner offered to have it built for the olympics if he got to
> renovate it for ba
> One addition to the Brauer post. PETCO was built with 4% public funding.
> Citizen's Bank was heavily subsidized. The Giants, who play in PETCO, are a
> dominant National League team that spends every Fall in the playoffs. The
> Phillies, who play in Citizen's, are also-rans, consistently losi
"The story averages ballparks built since 1990 to get the $345 million
average, but doesn't specifically mention the last two roofless parks:
San Diego's PETCO Field and Philadelphia's Citizens Bank Park.
Both parks opened in 2004; PETCO cost $449 million and Citizens Bank
cost $458 million. Th
.
Britt Robson
Lyndale
- Original Message -
From: "David Brauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Mpls] Twins Stadium: top price, 'average' ballpark
> From today's PiPress today:
>
> Minneapolis' Warehouse
From today's PiPress today:
Minneapolis' Warehouse District could soon be home to the most
expensive open-air baseball park yet.
The Twins' plan exceeds price tags for baseball stadiums built in the
past 15 years by tens of millions of dollars, even factoring for
inflation, economists say. The
From today's PiPress today:
Minneapolis' Warehouse District could soon be home to the most
expensive open-air baseball park yet.
The Twins' plan exceeds price tags for baseball stadiums built in the
past 15 years by tens of millions of dollars, even factoring for
inflation, economists say. The
Minnesota Law MSA 297A.99
http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/297A/99.html
states:
"Subd. 3. Requirements for adoption, use, termination.
(a) Imposition of a local sales tax is subject to approval by
voters of the political subdivision at a general election."
What does "subject to" mean
We ought to be talking about cutting a deal with the Twins: we'll
build the ballpark if you pitch in to get public transportation
the sufficient, reliable and stable budget it needs.
David Greene
Carl cares nothing about our public transportation, roads or anything else
other than the fact he can
On May 4, 2005, at 2:25 PM, David Greene wrote:
We ought to be talking about cutting a deal with the Twins: we'll
build the ballpark if you pitch in to get public transportation
the sufficient, reliable and stable budget it needs.
It's ultra-ironic, since Carl Pohlad played a role in buying and
tr
List manager wrote:
Interesting sign of the times, vis a vis transit, the Twins and/or the
stadium issue...
Indeed. I'm a strong believer that if the stadium plan goes through,
we ought to be able to convince Mr. Pohlad to campaign for public
transportation in Minnesota. After all, his stadium w
Interesting sign of the times, vis a vis transit, the Twins and/or the
stadium issue...
LIGHT RAIL PASSES NOW AVAILABLE ON TWINS’ OFFICIAL WEBSITE
Option to Purchase Passes Available to Advance Ticket Purchases on
www.twinsbaseball.com
MINNEAPOLIS - ST. PAUL, MN – The back-to-back-to-back Ameri
C-Span will carry an educational speech tonight relevant to the topic of
planning urban infrastructure in preparation for lower-petroleum lifestyles.
I encourage citizens to tune in, and to encourage our elected representatives
and candidates to do likewise. Perhaps the Twins management could t
I've heard from several people off list and their replies are
substantially in agreement with the answers to my questions that David
Brauer has already provided.
One additional fact: the number of luxury boxes in the new stadium is
62 and that is down from the current 115 at the HHH Dome. How
On Apr 25, 2005, at 12:16 PM, Steve Cross wrote:
I'm curious about two factoids regarding the new Twins stadium. Does
someone know:
(1) What is the current baseball seating capacity of the HHH Dome vs.
the proposed new stadium?
With the curtain up in the Dome, it seats 48,000. The new stadium w
I'm curious about two factoids regarding the new Twins stadium. Does
someone know:
(1) What is the current baseball seating capacity of the HHH Dome vs.
the proposed new stadium?
(2) What is the number of luxury boxes at the HHH Dome vs. the number at
the proposed new stadium?
The reason I'm
The Senate State and Local Government Operations
Committee will meet Wednesday afternoon to start Senate
hearings on proposals to build stadia for the Twins, Vikings,
and Gophers.
If you would like to testify for against these proposals,
please call Committee Administrator Julie Rusk at 651-29
There was an excellent analysis in the Strib on Sunday comparing Minneapolis
to St. Paul.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/562/4134000.html
Editorial writer/reporter Steve Berg compared what the owner of a $200,000
house in each city pays in city taxes. Bottom line (I could not find the
detaile
Here's your answer:
Rybak will have to wear Mickey Mouse ears during the first day of the World
Series, according to a broadcast report in the Twin Cities.
http://www.channel4000.com/msp/sports/stories/sports-172043220021015-081003.html
-amanda tempel (NE Park)
---message
When does R.T. Ryba
I have to call the Aneheim Mayor this morning to work that out but sadly you will get
advance notice.
-Original Message-
From: David Brauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 7:21 PM
To: 'Mpls list'
Subject: [Mpls] Twins lose...only silver lining...
The Twins are done for another year and should be congratulated for a
magnificent effort.
That effort doesn't change the fact that I don't want to be taxed for a
stadium to make more money for Carl Pohlad. Let St. Paul tax themselves!
I still think community ownership is a pipe dream. Major Leag
When does R.T. Rybak wear the Mickey Mouse ears all day? (The
consequences of losing his bet with Anaheim's mayor...)
It'd better be a work day, and we'd better get advance notice, Laura
Sether!
David Brauer
King Field
(Who also saved $210 by not going to Games 6 & 7...but would've rather
spent
I see a fundamental problem with community ownership - as far as I
know, Baseball league rules do not allow a team to be owned by a
publically traded corp. Correct me if I am wrong, please.
> What is St. Paul doing differently
> that they can avoid an increase in property taxes again bringi
-Original Message-
From: Pamela Taylor
While I can understand Jim's point about the handicapped and housebound
constituents, that is still no reason to cave in on the Twins/Stadium
issue.
If there were no Twins, these people would find something else to
enjoy.
Their lives do not depend on
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Mpls] Twins
Ref. Jim Graham's letter in regard to the Twins, he makes a good
observation about handicapped and house bound types. I have thought the
city or the Sports commission
-or whoever- should make cheaper tickets available and free transport on b
Twins Quiz:
What do Bud Selig, Carl Pohlad and The Oakland A's all have in common?
Answer: They all tried to
eliminate the Twin this year! ;-)
Go Twins!!
Michael S Guest
Campaign Coordinator
Dakota Citizens for our Land and Water
651-287-0883
www.voteYESon1
Speaking of the handicapped and the current or new Twins' stadium:
Something should be done about those who are handicapped and not in
wheelchairs. I have a friend who is 74, never misses a Twins game -- a HUGE
fan. Several times I have offered to take her to a Twins game and she has
always fou
Twins Quiz:
What do Bud Selig, Carl Pohlad and The Oakland A's all have in common?
Michael S Guest
Campaign Coordinator
Dakota Citizens for our Land and Water
651-287-0883
www.voteYESon1.org
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: [Mpls] Twins
> Ref. Jim Graham's letter in regard to the Twins, he makes a good
> observation about handicapped and house bound types. I have thought the
> city or the Sports commission
> -o
I knew it wouldn't be long before we'd hear calls for a new stadium.
I don't mean to be insensitive, but if the twins go away, the old folks
can adapt to following the Saints. And frankly, a lot of their loyalty
began back in the days when the Twins salaries were on par with the
Saints. Back
Ref. Jim Graham's letter in regard to the Twins, he makes a good
observation about handicapped and house bound types. I have thought the
city or the Sports commission
-or whoever- should make cheaper tickets available and free transport on bus
or lite rail for those to attend the games.
Robert Schmid wrote:
How delighted I am to here our city officials say that
we can't afford the tax increase to fund the twins
ballpark. Now somebody else can pay for it.
David Piehl writes:
I agree - it was actually rather encouraging to see
our mayor on TV bemoaning the fact that the stadium
just know exactly what is going to happen the minute we get too tired. N. Russell 12-4 - Original Message - From: Andy Driscoll Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:08 PM To: mpls Subject: Re: [Mpls] Twins Stadium Any decent business person knows what to do at tax time - find all thededu
our rears as you exit.
Andy Driscoll
Saint Paul
--
"The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who, in times of
moral crisis, remain neutral" --Dante
> From: "Dana Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:45:22 -0800 (PST)
> To: [EMAIL PROTE
Some may recall that the books on "Forrest Gump"
showed a loss despite grossing over $600 million in
box office receipts (see
http://www.guardian.co.uk/friday_review/story/0,3605,544319,00.html
for an example). Baseball and movies are different
businesses, but the Gump story is an anecdote worth
Beeston was referring to timing issues only. He regrets the statement
that is very misleading and gives the erroneous impression that books
can be cooked at will.
Clark Griffith
7th Ward
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In business, contracts can sometimes be completely
meaningless. If an entity goes under or doesn't exist,
there is nothing to sustain to operate or to pay rent. I
have never found court a good place to resolve business
differences. And it certainly isn't a good place to
determine public vision.
Dave Stack wrote:
>...What would be the likely results if a large national
> corporation arbitrarily deciding to shut down its
> Minneapolis branch offices?
I am not a lawyer, but I'm sure it would depend on the specific language
of the contract (like it always does).
My understanding of the M
I was wondering if it would be helpful, or appropriate, to look at this for
a minute from a strictly legal lease contract perspective? Do any legal
eagles out there happen to know what would be the likely results if a large
national corporation arbitrarily deciding to shut down its Minneapolis
bra
During last Thursday's hearing, Will Haddeland
(co-chair of the task force) asked Bell this same
question, and added an anecdote to lend interesting
comtext to it all. Haddeland quoted the following:
"Anyone who quotes profits of a baseball club
is missing the point. Under generally accep
I wrote, then Greg Abbott writes:
> > Sec Taylor Stadium (the only one in America named after a
> > sportswriter)
>
> I believe that Jack Murphy stadium in San Diego is also named after a
> sportswriter.
It's been Qualcomm Stadium for the last few years. So I say Sec stands
alone (though I'd e
on 11/10/01 7:50 AM, David Brauer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sec Taylor Stadium (the only one in America named after a
> sportswriter)
I believe that Jack Murphy stadium in San Diego is also named after a
sportswriter.
> My larger point is if you are for Triple-A ball, know you will have
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Subject: [Mpls] Twins ballpark funding proposal
[In the interest of full disclosure, I am a baseball fan, namely a Twins
fan.
I've attended a few dozen Twins games over the years at the Metrodome
and agree
with those who say the Metrodome is a lousy place to watch a baseball
game
Message: 15
From: "Walt Cygan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Mpls] Twins ballpark funding proposal
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:22:18 -0600
Walt wrote:
>From http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/attend.shtml:
The average annual attendan
On Sun, 11 November 2001, "Walt Cygan" wrote:
"Mark Snyder wrote: 'Assuming an annual attendance of 2 million fans...'
>From http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/attend.shtml:
The average annual attendance for the Twins over the last 10 years was just a shade
under 1.5 million,..."
I t
Accepting your numbers as viable;
> So here's my suggestion: the State would issue 30-year, no-interest
> bonds for $150 million to an ownership group that buys the Twins from
> Carl Pohlad. These bonds could then be paid back at a price of $5
> million annually, raised from ticket surchar
Wow!
Clark, you got people going a bit on this now!
I'm disappointed that some folks want to make this an US -vs- THEM
discussion. Most, if not all Twins supporters have tempered their
statements with admonitions that they are skeptical about subsidies for
a ball park. This doesn't change their
Vince Thomas writes:
> Finally, I write to remind everyone of some baseball, and
Minneapolis history. As a
> newcomer, I often heard older Minneapolis baseball fans state that the
"glory days" for
> baseball in Minneapolis were the days in which the Minneapolis
Millers, a farm team for
> th
Dear Fellow List Members:
I write to respond to Clark Griffith's post from earlier this week, in which he
stated that "I am astounded that the loss of the Twins ranks so low as to warrant
almost no comment on this list. " Clark, there would have been a comment from me right
away, but for t
Twins thoughts:
Almost all of the comments I have heard from media have been sour grape
complaints about the lack of interest in sinking public funds into
saving the Twins or building a new stadium. I'm sure there may be a day
when the Twins are gone and Dark Star and his peers can endlessly gri
Twins: I love baseball. I grew up watching day baseball at Wrigley Field
in Chicago. (They didn't have lights because when they were in the
process of buying them, WWII broke out and they gave them to the Navy so
shipyards could work all night.) But I'd rather roast in the fires of
eternal damnati
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On Friday 09 November 2001 03:42 pm, Mark Wilde wrote:
> i heard paul wellstone on the radio talking about
> busting up there anti-competitive monopoly, and i hope
> something comes of it.
Personally I hope the senator does something more worthwhile
> I am astounded that the loss of the Twins ranks so low as to warrant
> almost no comment on this list.
> Clark Griffith, from the 7th Ward of a former major league community.
I think most feel that the decision has been made and are moving on.
Ten or so of us talked a bit about it this morning
" am astounded that the loss of the Twins ranks so low
as to warrant almost no comment on this list.
Clark Griffith, from the 7th Ward of a former major
league community."
Here's my comment: i hope they leave, will be glad
when they leave, will probably scream and applaud more
than i ever did f
I will again cast my vote for the Northern League/Parade Stadium site if the
Twins are evaporated, for these reasons.
1) It's already there.
2) The city owns it. Any investment required benefits our park board, our city,
us.
3) Great view of downtown, walking distance to many of the cities cultu
Waite Park and Camden
-Original Message-
From: Clark C. Griffith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:17 PM
To: mpls
Subject: [Mpls] Twins
I am astounded that the loss of the Twins ranks so low as to warrant
almost no comment on this list.
Clark Griffit
has anticipated.
"Robert Schmid"
cc:
Sent by: Subj
Clark asked for reasons why no Twins talk lately. I think people fall into 3
groups:
1. Don't care and never did.
2. Care and hate subsidy and don't need to say it again.
3. Care and love baseball but resigned that in this day and age - not to
mention this state and culture - a taxpayer-financed
> I am astounded that the loss of the Twins ranks so low as to warrant
> almost no comment on this list.
> Clark Griffith, from the 7th Ward of a former major league community.
You're right. It's not important. It's "importance" is all media hype.
The claim that stadiums and teams provide econo
I am astounded that the loss of the Twins ranks so low as to warrant
almost no comment on this list.
Clark Griffith, from the 7th Ward of a former major league community.
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