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>Subject: MPLS-ISSUES digest 875
>Date: Mon, Nov 20, 2000, 6:01 PM
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> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:51:47 -0800
> From: "Carol Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: new finance director - Attack on new Finance Director
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The former finance director, Mr. Moir often shared his concerns about
projects other than a stadium being risky or not in the best interest of the
city, as have its residents. The council and mayor simply choose not to
listen to what they don't wish to hear. Why the stdium issue has
In a message dated 11/22/2000 10:48:20 PM Central Standard Time, Ewader
writes:
<< Maybe Mr. Born was hired because the mayor and the city council will feel
justified paying the $110,000 per year because they feel he shares their view
about spending public taxes on private interests. It's nic
Mholm writes:
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Wow! $110,.000 is sure a lot of money to earn per year for just giving
financial advice and recommendations to city leaders when they request.
Especially when they often don't follow the advice. In fact, Mr Moir
resigned essentially because he was tired of rendering his pr
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Thanks, Carol, for defending the choice of Pat Born. I think it is totally
unfair to start slinging mud at the guy when he hasn't even started. Give
the poor man a chance - then
I think that's one of the things elections are for.
Ann Berget
Kingfield 10-10
oes, I'd like to have a nice talk about integrity,
> honesty, motives and agendas. >>
>
> The City Finance Director doesn't broker political deals... he's a City
> employee, and primarily responsible for providing financial advice and
> recommendations to the Mayo
#x27;d like to have a nice talk about integrity,
honesty, motives and agendas. >>
The City Finance Director doesn't broker political deals... he's a City
employee, and primarily responsible for providing financial advice and
recommendations to the Mayor, the City Council and other
I think it's terrific that issues have been raised about possible motives
and agendas of the new finance director and those who appointed him. I wish
him well with his new assignment, and I hope he does a fine job for the
citizens of Mpls.
But, if and when, Pat Born begins to bro
First I want to say thank you to Kathy O'Brien for sending relevant data to
this discussion. I'd like to see her become a more regular participant!
Carol's last post just made the argument for transparency. Without it,
citizens will never become educated enough to criticize the process as she
o
Those jumping to conclusions about the new finance director may indeed be
awkward and lacking in knowledge about the way government functions and is
finessed. But their motivation is understandable even to those who don't
agree with their methods. Government officials at the state and
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> 2) What purpose would it serve? Monday-morning
> > quarterbacking by people who didn't sit through the interviews, didn't
> > review the qualifications of th
because they are
lacking the solid information required to draw more reasoned conclusions.
Another bit of post hoc reasoning: The previous finance director, Mr.
Moir, shared his concerns about the overuse of TIF with Doug Grow. A few
months later, he was moving on to a new job. Illogical perso
2) What purpose would it serve? Monday-morning
> quarterbacking by people who didn't sit through the interviews, didn't
> review the qualifications of the individuals, and who don't know the
> duties
> of the job? So what if the guy, in his 19 years of public finance work,
> worked on some st
tion among all this is regular
people who have no voice and yet suffer from the
failures of "the system". this is the real criminality
in all of this; not whether patrick born is a good man
or not. he probably will be a fine finance director.
i have a perfect right to be skeptical. i detes
See response below.
>I hope Becker's earlier reminder doesn't get lost: The City Finance Director
>serves the will of the Mayor AND the Council. If a resident doesn't want
>publicly funded stadia ( I don't), one should worry more about the political
>bent of the
I hope Becker's earlier reminder doesn't get lost: The City Finance Director
serves the will of the Mayor AND the Council. If a resident doesn't want
publicly funded stadia ( I don't), one should worry more about the political
bent of their CM's and the mayor than
e most capable administrator I have met in my entire
career in public service. And I have met a lot.
Carol Becker
Longfellow
Original Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 4:04 AM
Subject: Re:
icly funded businesses? It seems highly unlikely
that all the qualified candidates for the city finance director had an
equally strong history with funding businesses with public dollars. That is
the problem.
Just what is the deal with these big-business democrats? I mean with
democrats l
angry about is the sniping comments made about City Coordinator
Kathy O'Brien and the process of selecting the new Finance Director. Russ
Peterson said "A Finance Director is named after a national search and there
was no mention of process of finalists." Russ, I usually agree wit
1 A Finance Director is named after a national search and there was no
mention of process or finalists.
2 A Finance Director is named who has had extensive experience with public
funding of professional sports facilities.
3 It is revealed that the city is indeed considering
, November 20, 2000 3:52 PM
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Subject: Re: new finance director
If you read my piece accurately ms berget you will see
that what i object to is the process and the lack of
transparency.
i believe i made clear that i do not know pat born and
that he in fact may be a fi
meaning for the person who was hired. A finance director
deals with a whole bunch of very not sexy things - CAFR preparation, state
auditors, cash flow management, CIP development, etc, etc, etc. To
insinuate that this guy was brought in because of one deal is just simply
inaccurate and demeaning
Actually Ann, I was talking about the Pat Born that St. Paul hired in 1999 to
help try and negotiate a deal with the MN twins for a publicly funded
stadium. I was talking about the Pat Born who worked with Milwaukee on the
publicly funded, Miller Park and the Pat Born who worked with St. Loui
If you read my piece accurately ms berget you will see
that what i object to is the process and the lack of
transparency.
i believe i made clear that i do not know pat born and
that he in fact may be a fine and ethical person.
what i object to are smoke and mirrors. if you like
them. fine. keep
I don't know about the rest of you, but I wince when I hear another character
inuendo about a public figure before there are any facts to support such
inuendo.
I don't know if this is the same Pat Born who facilitated many bond sales for
Mpls. Public Schools in recent years, but I hope it is.
>i don't know patrick born. he may be a good choice.
>the best even, a real phenom. but as ms mcdonald was
>qouted as saying in the paper today regarding the new
>stadium proposal, " i don't think it will pass the
>smell test."
I don't get it. The voters have said NO repeatedly to stadium subsid
not know
though I would surmise that will be a priority of his
tenure as finance director.
Let's talk baseball here
On August 12th, John Moir announced his resignation
from his long held job as finance director of the
city.
think of mr. moir as the starting pitcher. worked hard
and long, th
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