Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-26 Thread Brian Gurtler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 has deciding which language to use for a bootleg release become much of an issue on MB yet? i know that i previously said that the information should be the same as on the ticket of the event.. but now I'm starting to feel that we shouldn't have a

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-26 Thread Lars Aronsson
Steve Wyles wrote: I know you're a big advocate of Wikipedia. But, being technically dependant on another data repository for this isn't practical. I sorry to say that Wikipedia has had more downtime or been inaccessible more often than MusicBrainz. Back when this was at its worst, in

RE: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-26 Thread Cristov Russell
Cristov Russell wrote: If an Italian artist performs in Spain they obviously have Spanish fans so why should a recording by a Spanish, French or English fan arbitrarly use the language of the performer? But I think we both agree that we should use the language the fans would expect,

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-26 Thread Cristov Russell
: [mb-style] Bootleg locations Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:33:34 -0400 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 has deciding which language to use for a bootleg release become much of an issue on MB yet? i know that i previously said that the information should be the same as on the ticket

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-26 Thread Nikki
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 09:06:08AM +0200, Lars Aronsson wrote: 1. use the same placenames already used for other bootleg recordings (I can give you a list, based on the database dump) Er, this is exactly the point. We're using two names for the same place and I asked which we should use.

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread Nikki
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 10:49:39PM +0200, derGraph wrote: I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not include all subnational states, but only for larger states. But should it be limited to USA and Canada? What about e.g. Russia and China? There is no line and I'm not drawing

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread Nikki
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:31:57PM -0500, Orion wrote: In large part it's from the bootlegs being of English artists performing in countries that aren't predominantly English. Agreed there. Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan feels odd for some reason It sounds fine to me in English, but I don't know

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread derGraph
dj empirical wrote: i think that with bootlegs, what the artist does often has no bearing on anything! :) Eh ... of course not! But that's not the point! However, an artist performing in Italian exclusively will most likely have most fans in Italy, and almost all fans would rather like to

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread Chris Bransden
On 25/04/06, Nikki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would definitely prefer the local name, not only because this is the official name, and we prefer official data almost everywhere. We might still add the English name in an annotation. Yet we use the English name of the country. I think we

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread Nikki
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 10:46:23PM +0100, Chris Bransden wrote: IMO it should be at the moderators discretion. it's what's useful to the users that is most important. since it's a free-text field (album/track title), there's no reason to unify the data. If a french user adds french language

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread Chris Bransden
On 25/04/06, Nikki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 10:46:23PM +0100, Chris Bransden wrote: IMO it should be at the moderators discretion. it's what's useful to the users that is most important. since it's a free-text field (album/track title), there's no reason to unify the

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread Orion
Bogdan Butnaru wrote: That being said, I think we should insist on using a single language everywhere (English seems the best choice), because when we make the database smarter (and perhaps the location and date of bootlegs will be a field) it'll be much easier to make an automatic conversion.

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread Lars Aronsson
Adam Golding wrote: On 4/23/06, derGraph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikki wrote: Should UK countries be included? I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not include all subnational states, but only for larger states. But should it be limited to USA and Canada? What

RE: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-25 Thread Cristov Russell
dj empirical wrote: i think that with bootlegs, what the artist does often has no bearing on anything! :) Eh ... of course not! But that's not the point! However, an artist performing in Italian exclusively will most likely have most fans in Italy, and almost all fans would

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-24 Thread Nikki
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 09:52:41PM +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote: Holland is definitely wrong. I usually use 'The Netherlands' and probably am responsible for renaming most titles ;) I think 'The' should be included, to indicate it's plural and because I like it better. I do think the Netherlands

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-24 Thread mud crow
I'd go with Netherlands. From: Nikki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MusicBrainz style discussion[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MusicBrainz style discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:42:13 +0100 On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 09:52:41PM +0200, Jan

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-24 Thread Jan van Thiel
On 4/23/06, Cristov Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think 'The' should be included, to indicate it's plural and because I like it better. Ummm the 's' makes it plural not The. :-) True :) Anyway, I've decided I really don't care what we decide to use, as long as it's consistent. --

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-24 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
I vote for simple Netherlands, since that seems to be official. On 4/25/06, Jan van Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/06, Cristov Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think 'The' should be included, to indicate it's plural and because I like it better. Ummm the 's' makes it plural

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-23 Thread Jan van Thiel
On 4/22/06, Nikki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was curious about the distribution of countries for bootlegs [1] and I noticed that the untitled bootleg style [2] doesn't really consist of much and live bootleg style [3] still doesn't expand the location very much. A general style appears to have

RE: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-23 Thread Cristov Russell
I think 'The' should be included, to indicate it's plural and because I like it better. zout (from the Netherlands) -- Jan van Thiel -- Ummm the 's' makes it plural not The. :-) Cristov (wolfsong) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-23 Thread derGraph
Nikki wrote: Should UK countries be included? I wonder where to draw the line. We should definitely not include all subnational states, but only for larger states. But should it be limited to USA and Canada? What about e.g. Russia and China? Should we use the local or English form of

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-22 Thread Brian Gurtler
great email Nikki wrote: Hi, I was curious about the distribution of countries for bootlegs [1] and I noticed that the untitled bootleg style [2] doesn't really consist of much and live bootleg style [3] still doesn't expand the location very much. A general style appears to have emerged

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-22 Thread Lars Aronsson
Nikki wrote: I was curious about the distribution of countries for bootlegs [1] and I noticed [...] we should be a bit more consistent. :) Very interesting statistics, but is it really realistic to impose stricter rules for how users should name things? Aren't computers a lot better at

Re: [mb-style] Bootleg locations

2006-04-22 Thread Nikki
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 01:16:20AM +0200, Lars Aronsson wrote: Very interesting statistics, but is it really realistic to impose stricter rules for how users should name things? They're not rules, they're guidelines. I also know I'm not the only person who has wondered whether to write UK,