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2011-10-20 Thread Daniel Silverstone
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:57:21AM +0100, Vince M Hudd wrote: > Either way, this is now off-topic. Indeed it is. It was off topic about four mails in. Please don't sprawl your RISC OS discussions on this list. I'm sure there're places where you don't irritate many people while doing so. I've r

Re: puzzling email (getting OT)

2011-10-20 Thread Dr Peter Young
On 20 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: > [snip] >> Anyway this is getting off-topic here; should it be continued on the >> MPro list? > Not really, Peter. Well, not yet anyway! For a start I don't use > MessengerPro. > I suspected I would get a response similar to yours. > The problem is that I

Re: puzzling email (getting OT)

2011-10-20 Thread cj
In article <5225151bf7bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > I got into a real tangle with a business person. Neither of us > could read/render correctly each others HTML files, sent to and > from each other via email, cross platform, and it mattered. ... but this is still the province

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-20 Thread Vince M Hudd
Brian Bailey wrote: > [snip] [...] > I see that you use [Messenger Pro] I use Messenger Pro for Windows, which is a different beast, so I'm afraid you'll have to ask someone else (and somewhere more appropriate) to find out how the RISC OS version handles HTML attachments. -- Soft Rock Softwa

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-20 Thread Vince M Hudd
lists wrote: > In article , >Vince M Hudd wrote: > > The bottom line, for users of Pluto, is that if you want to see attached > > images displayed in the HTML, you'll need to save and manually edit. > > (Remote images should be fine, of course). > I use !Pluto > I often receive attachmen

Re: puzzling email (getting OT)

2011-10-20 Thread Brian Bailey
[snip] > Anyway this is getting off-topic here; should it be continued on the > MPro list? Not really, Peter. Well, not yet anyway! For a start I don't use MessengerPro. I suspected I would get a response similar to yours. The problem is that I frequently get messages that are treated by Plut

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-20 Thread lists
In article , Vince M Hudd wrote: > The bottom line, for users of Pluto, is that if you want to see attached > images displayed in the HTML, you'll need to save and manually edit. > (Remote images should be fine, of course). I use !Pluto I often receive attachments, usually jokes, where I see

Re: puzzling email (getting OT)

2011-10-20 Thread Dr Peter Young
On 20 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: > [snip] >> It's a long time since I used Pluto, but my recollection is that it >> doesn't treat HTML attachments any differently to any other type of >> attachment: You double click on it, a temporary copy is saved and that's >> filer_run. >> It doesn't pars

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-20 Thread Brian Bailey
[snip] > It's a long time since I used Pluto, but my recollection is that it > doesn't treat HTML attachments any differently to any other type of > attachment: You double click on it, a temporary copy is saved and that's > filer_run. > It doesn't parse the HTML in any way to see if any other att

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Richard Porter
On 19 Oct 2011 Richard Porter wrote: > On 18 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: >>> OK. But an html message or web page shouldn't contain BMP images. >> On what basis shouldn't it, please? It's the first time I've seen a BMP >> file employed in this way. If this is likely to become a more common >>

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Richard Porter
On 18 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: >> OK. But an html message or web page shouldn't contain BMP images. > On what basis shouldn't it, please? It's the first time I've seen a BMP > file employed in this way. If this is likely to become a more common > procedure then surely NetSurf developers woul

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Chris Young
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:35:12 +0100, David J. Ruck wrote: > On 18/10/2011 19:46, Chris Young wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:43:01 +0100, John-Mark Bell wrote: > > > >> What is happening is that Pluto fails to rewrite the image reference in > >> the HTML document, so NetSurf attempts to fetch a f

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread David J. Ruck
On 18/10/2011 19:46, Chris Young wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:43:01 +0100, John-Mark Bell wrote: What is happening is that Pluto fails to rewrite the image reference in the HTML document, so NetSurf attempts to fetch a file that doesn't exist, and instead builds an error page, which then gener

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Chris Young
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:43:01 +0100, John-Mark Bell wrote: > What is happening is that Pluto fails to rewrite the image reference in > the HTML document, so NetSurf attempts to fetch a file that doesn't > exist, and instead builds an error page, which then generates the > BadType report. Should Ne

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Brian Bailey
[biggish snip} > > Not my problem. It was commercial, thus drawing my attention to the > > event. > Would there be any point in telling a suit that he's sending out files in > formats he /perhaps/ shouldn't? Only if you can tell him he's losing > potential sales. Well, in a round about way he

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Brian Bailey
In article <52240dc1act...@netsurf-browser.org>, Michael Drake wrote: > In article <522408c273bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, >Brian Bailey wrote: > > > OK. So this has nothing to do with BMP images at all. The bitmap you > > > sent me renders fine here. > > It does here as well, in retrospect,

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Vince M Hudd
John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 07:37 +0100, Brian Bailey wrote: [HTML from an email renders without the BMP graphic] > OK. So this has nothing to do with BMP images at all. The bitmap you sent > me renders fine here. > What is happening is that Pluto fails to rewrite the image r

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread David J. Ruck
On 18/10/2011 11:25, John Harrison wrote: ... NetSurf, which has its own routines for BMP decoding[1]. Whatever ChangeFSI does is not going to affect NetSurf. However, the test that I did showed that with ImageFS2 running on the machine, its settings did affect what NetSurf did. I don't kno

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Tim Hill
In article <5223f8af84bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > > > I ran the html file which was with the message, which appears as an > > > attchment, in !Pluto, in NetSurf. The BMP file was also an > > > attachment to the message. NetSurf tried to load the file. End of. > > OK. But an ht

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Michael Drake
In article <52240e39c2j...@jaharrison.me.uk>, John Harrison wrote: > > ... NetSurf, which has its own routines for BMP decoding[1]. Whatever > > ChangeFSI does is not going to affect NetSurf. > However, the test that I did showed that with ImageFS2 running on the > machine, its settings did

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread John Harrison
> ... NetSurf, which has its own routines for BMP decoding[1]. Whatever > ChangeFSI does is not going to affect NetSurf. However, the test that I did showed that with ImageFS2 running on the machine, its settings did affect what NetSurf did. I don't know enough about the mechanics to know wheth

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Michael Drake
In article <522408c273bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > > OK. So this has nothing to do with BMP images at all. The bitmap you > > sent me renders fine here. > It does here as well, in retrospect, in ChangeFSI, but originally I had > no reason to do it that way. John-Mark meant

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread Brian Bailey
> > > 3) Please email me both the HTML and BMP files in question > > > > Wilco. Bit busy at the moment, but will get back to you. > OK. So this has nothing to do with BMP images at all. The bitmap you > sent me renders fine here. It does here as well, in retrospect, in ChangeFSI, but originall

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-18 Thread John-Mark Bell
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 07:37 +0100, Brian Bailey wrote: > > 3) Please email me both the HTML and BMP files in question > > Wilco. Bit busy at the moment, but will get back to you. OK. So this has nothing to do with BMP images at all. The bitmap you sent me renders fine here. What is happening is

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Brian Bailey
> > I ran the html file which was with the message, which appears as an > > attchment, in !Pluto, in NetSurf. The BMP file was also an attachment > > to the message. NetSurf tried to load the file. End of. > OK. But an html message or web page shouldn't contain BMP images. On what basis should

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Brian Bailey
> > I ran the html file which was with the message, which appears as an > > attchment, in !Pluto, in NetSurf. The BMP file was also an attachment > > to the message. NetSurf tried to load the file. End of. > NetSurf has full support for BMP images. Thanks, John. Noted, but NetSurf clearly doesn

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Chris Young
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:19:56 +0100, Richard Porter wrote: > On 17 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: > > > I ran the html file which was with the message, which appears as an > > attchment, in !Pluto, in NetSurf. The BMP file was also an attachment to > > the message. NetSurf tried to load the file. E

puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread John Harrison
> Could it be a .bmp format not currently understood by NetSurf? I just created a test html file that included a BMP image, and made an interesting discovery. If ImageFS2 has its action for BMP files set to Inactive, then NetSurf renders the BMP image on the page. But if ImageFS2 has its actio

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Richard Porter
On 17 Oct 2011 John-Mark Bell wrote: > NetSurf has full support for BMP images. You're right it does! -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff th

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Richard Porter
On 17 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: > I ran the html file which was with the message, which appears as an > attchment, in !Pluto, in NetSurf. The BMP file was also an attachment to > the message. NetSurf tried to load the file. End of. OK. But an html message or web page shouldn't contain BMP ima

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread John-Mark Bell
On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 21:56 +0100, Brian Bailey wrote: > I ran the html file which was with the message, which appears as an > attchment, in !Pluto, in NetSurf. The BMP file was also an attachment to > the message. NetSurf tried to load the file. End of. NetSurf has full support for BMP images.

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Brian Bailey
> > I just got an email from i4imaging which included a file oleO.bmp which > > NetSurf didn't like very much declaring BadType as it was fetching and > > processing. Said file didn't seem to render. Are bmp file a no go area, > > perhaps? > Could that be because NetSurf is a web browser and isn'

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Richard Porter
On 17 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: > I just got an email from i4imaging which included a file oleO.bmp which > NetSurf didn't like very much declaring BadType as it was fetching and > processing. Said file didn't seem to render. Are bmp file a no go area, > perhaps? Could that be because NetSurf

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Brian Bailey
> > > My BMP file starts with the characters 'BM' as viewed in a text > > > editor. > [Snip] > > If you can't read that file, then either the file is corrupt (easy > > enough with e-mail) or you haven't got ImageFS (or whatever you use) > > set up to convert BMP files. > The OP indicated tha

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Tim Hill
In article <5223a930a9j...@jaharrison.me.uk>, John Harrison wrote: > > My BMP file starts with the characters 'BM' as viewed in a text > > editor. [Snip] > If you can't read that file, then either the file is corrupt (easy > enough with e-mail) or you haven't got ImageFS (or whatever you use)

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread John Harrison
> My BMP file starts with the characters 'BM' as viewed in a text editor. > It does indeed start with 'BM' but I'm mostly sure that it wasn't > generated with DPIngScan. Bound to be from the dark side, really, but it > does beg the question how many other BadFile types might there be > lurking o

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Vincent Sanders
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 04:10:32PM +0100, Brian Bailey wrote: > John > > > > I just got an email from i4imaging which included a file oleO.bmp which > > > NetSurf didn't like very much declaring BadType as it was fetching and > > > processing. Said file didn't seem to render. Are bmp file a no go

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Brian Bailey
John > > I just got an email from i4imaging which included a file oleO.bmp which > > NetSurf didn't like very much declaring BadType as it was fetching and > > processing. Said file didn't seem to render. Are bmp file a no go area, > > perhaps? > A BMP file made with DPIngScan loads fine, so your

Re: puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread John Williams
In article <5223956cc4bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > I just got an email from i4imaging which included a file oleO.bmp which > NetSurf didn't like very much declaring BadType as it was fetching and > processing. Said file didn't seem to render. Are bmp file a no go area, > perha

puzzling email

2011-10-17 Thread Brian Bailey
Hi I just got an email from i4imaging which included a file oleO.bmp which NetSurf didn't like very much declaring BadType as it was fetching and processing. Said file didn't seem to render. Are bmp file a no go area, perhaps? Cheers