On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 03:50, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 02:55, Networks East wrote:
I think you were trying to say without due payment it is theft.
But we understand.
Like I said before, people can try and rationalize it all they want.
Stealing is stealing. People
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 18:21, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 03:50, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 02:55, Networks East wrote:
I think you were trying to say without due payment it is theft.
But we understand.
Like I said before, people can try and rationalize it
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 11:38, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 18:21, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 03:50, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 02:55, Networks East wrote:
I think you were trying to say without due payment it is theft.
But we understand.
You're not suggesting that a large player in the music industry (such as
Sony) should stop producing CD recorders and blank CDs CD-Rs, along
with the blank tapes, are you?
Incidentally, you noticed that *audio* cd-r's are like 10x more expensive
than the same *data* CD-Rs, right? It's to
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered:
n***gg***
this is unacceptable, even with the *'s.
lose the racism or get lost.
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--- Original Message ---
From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered:
n***gg***
this is unacceptable, even with the *'s.
lose the racism or get lost
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:11:21 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Original Message ---
From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered:
n***gg
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:35:51 -0400
Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled
furiously:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:11:21 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Original Message ---
From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening
Quote:
Twelve-year-old Brianna Lahara's love for TV theme songs, Christina
Aguilera and the nursery song If You're Happy and You Know It made her a
target of the multibillion-dollar U.S. recording industry. Yesterday,
the seventh grader became the industry's first legal trophy in a massive
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 17:23, HaywireMac wrote:
Quote:
Twelve-year-old Brianna Lahara's love for TV theme songs, Christina
Aguilera and the nursery song If You're Happy and You Know It made her a
target of the multibillion-dollar U.S. recording industry. Yesterday,
the seventh grader became
Now will they go after AOL/RoadRunner for there wireless hookup that
make it easy for anyone to tap-in and dl for free? Completely anon. if
they don't use email and set fake cfg user name.
HaywireMac wrote:
Quote:
Twelve-year-old Brianna Lahara's love for TV theme songs, Christina
Aguilera
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:33:08 +0300
Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
No, that's where they've come from.
Oh, right.
Well, there's gotta be some way they can be made to suffer.
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:10:07 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
FILE SHARING IS ILLEGAL
No, it's not. Sharing of copyrighted material is a violation of the
copyright holders' rights, it is not theft, at least not in most
civilised countries.
Photocopying a book is not the same as
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 16:33, Paul wrote:
No, that's where they've come from.
Paul M
Yeah, and they already smell funny too.
Good luck,
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:10:07 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Copyright laws exist for a reason, to prevent someone from stealing
your product.
Yes, copyright laws. But using techniques that invade a person's
privacy, and using judgement that would shock a demon, is another
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:38:39 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:10:07 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
FILE SHARING IS ILLEGAL
No, it's not. Sharing of copyrighted material is a violation of
the copyright holders' rights, it is not theft, at
On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 4:33 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:10:07 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Copyright laws exist for a reason, to prevent someone from
stealing your product.
Yes, copyright laws. But using techniques that invade a person's
privacy, and
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Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:10:07 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
FILE SHARING IS ILLEGAL
No, it's not. Sharing of copyrighted material is a violation
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:47 -0400
Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
It does, however, feel very much like being mugged when you see your
product with another company's label.
Yes, it does, and it is the price of doing business that one must be
vigilant protecting one's IP, through civil
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 11:10 am, Networks East wrote:
Let me first say that I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. And I think
it is terrible that they are picking on children.
For myself, I think it is terrible that they feel litigation is the only way
to deal with a new business
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 18:19, Lee Wiggers wrote:
It does, however, feel very much like being mugged when you see your
product with another company's label.
Trust me
It feels like rape.
What you describe is flagrant violation of copyright though and can and should
be prosecuted.
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 11:06 am, HaywireMac wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:33:08 +0300
Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
No, that's where they've come from.
Oh, right.
Well, there's gotta be some way they can be made to suffer.
No need, their suffering is inevitable. Current
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:45:28 -0400
Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Keep in mind that copyright laws exist to encourage the production and
distribution of goods that are so protected. They were not created as
a tool that corporations could use to control and prosecute people who
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From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening
On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 4:33 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:10:07 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:32:16 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Do me a favor. Read my entire post and stop taking one liners
It is against the law in the US to copy, pirate or what ever word
you choose to use
someones copyrited material.
I HATE THE MUSIC INDUSTRY FOR WHAT
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:42:56 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Don't want to start a war, but obtaining something with due payment is
theft.
I'm assuming you meant without. ;-)
Not under *copyright law*. As I said, photocopying a book in the library
is *not* theft, it is a
, September 10, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:19:47 -0400
Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
It does, however, feel very much like being mugged when you see your
product with another company's label.
Yes, it does, and it is the price
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 01:02 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
What was that about flaming? LOL!
I read your post in it's entirety.
File sharing is not illegal. Sharing of copyrighted material is not
illegal. It is a violation of someones copyright protection. That is the
nature of copyright
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:08:25 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Theft is a criminal offense, punishable by criminal sanctions in a
criminal court. Copying someone else's material, be it a book, CD,
painting, what have you, is not a criminal offense, it is an
actionable civil matter,
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:04:41 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
big snip
no legal qualifications, but if you don't know the diff between
criminal (theft) and civil (copyright infringement), I can't help you.
Funny, you asked for no flaming, how ironic... ;-)
Signing off now.
--
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:32:16 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
someones copyrited material.
BTW, for someone who has spent time in a courtroom, you ought to know
how to spell copyright, no?
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Not that I'm saying wht's happened is right but does anyone think this
story is a bit emotive?
I mean it's all abou this poor little 12 year old and is totally
ignoring the face that her mother probably got more songs from it than
her daughter did.
Me is quite glad me is in the UK
Had it
Hello Networks,
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 6:04:41 PM, you wrote:
NE Let me start again by saying, I THINK THE RECORD INDUSTRY IS WRONG IN WHAT
NE THEY ARE DOING.
NE If you notice, they are in civil court. Why, because it is easier to get
NE what you want in a US Civil court.
NE You don't
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 12:54 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 11:06 am, HaywireMac wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:33:08 +0300
Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
No, that's where they've come from.
Oh, right.
Well, there's gotta be some way they can be
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:00:03 -0400
Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
egregious
That's my second favourite word in the English language.
Right behind bludgeon. ;-)
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:00:03 -0400
Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
The one potentially silver lining is that public outrage may finally
spur Congress to roll back some of the most egregious changes in the
law that they put in place at the behest of the recording and
entertainment
Hello Bryan,
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 1:00:03 PM, you wrote:
BP In the seven weeks since the RIAA announced that they intended to
BP sue file traders, CD sales have declined by 54%.
I'm really glad to hear that. Serves 'em right - they deserve it.
BP May also suggest that file sharing
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 05:56 pm, rikona wrote:
Hello Bryan,
...snip
Very, very unlikely unless it is a HUGE protest. The media cartel has
enormous resources, and have a long record of buying politicians quite
frequently and quite lavishly. The hidden factor is that votes are
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 12:19, Lee Wiggers wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:38:39 -0400
HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:10:07 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
FILE SHARING IS ILLEGAL
No, it's not. Sharing of copyrighted material is a violation
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 12:42, RichardA wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:04:41 -0400, Networks East
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have spend a few days in court in my prior career, Guess what it
was.
Burglar?
Richard
Worse LAWYER
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On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 01:10, Networks East wrote:
Let me first say that I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. And I think
it is terrible that they are picking on children.
The recording industry inherently produces stars by forcing music upon
the public through commercial channels (TV,
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 14:56, rikona wrote:
Hello Bryan,
Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 1:00:03 PM, you wrote:
BP In the seven weeks since the RIAA announced that they intended to
BP sue file traders, CD sales have declined by 54%.
I'm really glad to hear that. Serves 'em right - they
On 10 Sep 2003 15:31:59 -0700
Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Worse LAWYER
*Low blow!*
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:49:49 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
For all that is wrong in making copies of music, why didn't anyone
do anything when we used to record music from the radio onto our
cassette tapes back in the 70's? It's the same thing, same principle.
Bingo.
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: [newbie] This is just sickening
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:42:56 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Don't want to start a war, but obtaining something with due payment is
theft.
I'm assuming you meant without. ;-)
Not under *copyright law*. As I said, photocopying a book
Given the current state of the world, I can think of much better targets to
put in prison than 12 year old file traders. I mean, a little real
perspective would do wonders for these guys.
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Software Test Engineer
Yeah but if they were to put all the real
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 02:55, Networks East wrote:
I think you were trying to say without due payment it is theft.
But we understand.
Like I said before, people can try and rationalize it all they want.
Stealing is stealing. People got caught. And it is not like
they have not been
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:32:46 -0400
Networks East [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted:
I agree with that as well.
Like I said before, the Music Industry should be ashamed of themselves.
I would be ashamed for sueing a 12 year old girl that lives in public
housing for 2grand.
.
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From: HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] This is just sickening
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:49:49 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
For all that is wrong
Look - if the Recording Industry doesn't want people to steal their
music (or share it) then:
As I would say - No humming - BMI might be listening. BMI is kinda
similar to RIAA here in the states - only they sue Girl Scouts for
singling allegedly copyrighted songs (public performance) and have
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