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Subject: Re: EMC limitations?
I would also like a copy of that template.
Has anyone used the perfmon kits supplied by the storage vendors? EMC has one
that I'm going to run starting Monday for 24 hours to measure the activity and
storage requirements on the servers. I also have Dell
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>> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
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>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> Sent: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:36:14
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> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
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> *Sent:* Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:36:14 -0600
> *Subject:* Re: EMC limitations?
>
> No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some
> disagreement spiced a bit too heavily wi
engineers, the RAID limitations apply
> regardless of whether the drives are in the main chassis or in an external
> enclosure.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:07 PM
> To: NT System Adm
;all-in-one" storage solution. They
>>> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive
>>> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported
>>> >>> SCSI 3.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
l.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: EMC limitations?
Thanks for the further data.
I'm going to agitate that we don't do much in the way of upgrading this unit,
and let it run its course as it is - maybe give it to the engineers for
> - and do not suffer from the arbitrary storage limitations of the EMC. The
> downside is they only support iSCSI (or SAS)... but you can also say they do
> one thing and do that one thing VERY well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.c
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Buff wrote:
> There may be a workaround, by chaining together some LUNs (perhaps in
> Windows, too), but that seems like a fugly hack to me.
Hmmm, that's interesting. If the problem is that their iSCSI
implementation is written for the SCSI-2 command set, t
ut you can also say they do one thing
and do that one thing VERY well.
-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EMC limitations?
I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and hav
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 07:59, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Kurt Buff wrote:
>> Manager had experience with EMC in his previous company and didn't
>> want to look at anything else ...
>
> Seems like the LUN size limitation should be your manager's problem
> then, right?
>
>
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 07:57, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Kurt Buff wrote:
>>> Find out what other ways can you use it (other than iSCSI), and what
>>> the limits are then. That information may be helpful.
>>
>> It does SAN, but I quite leery about it.
>
> (I assume you
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Subject: RE: EMC limitations?
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, February 08, 2012 11:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: EMC limitations?
Never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: EMC
Agreed absolutely, if it came across that way that wasn't my intention.
-Original Message-
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: 08 February 2012 15:55
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: EMC limitations?
It certainly isn't limited to EMC. The FUD th
Never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: EMC limitations?
I can't think of too many sectors that seem to have such a mix of
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>> I can’t think of too many sectors that seem to have such a mix of lies,
>> damned lies, and statistics as the storage industry.
>
> ERP vendors.
They just lie.
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Kurt Buff wrote:
> Manager had experience with EMC in his previous company and didn't
> want to look at anything else ...
Seems like the LUN size limitation should be your manager's problem
then, right?
[pause for laughter]
-- Ben
~ Finally, powerful endpoin
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Kurt Buff wrote:
>> Find out what other ways can you use it (other than iSCSI), and what
>> the limits are then. That information may be helpful.
>
> It does SAN, but I quite leery about it.
(I assume you mean SMB.) They've given you reason to be leery.
But, f
;
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: 08 February 2012 14:43
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: EMC limitations?
>
> We're still going through a storage upgrade migration. The things that
> frustrated me the most were:
>
> -
8 February 2012 14:43
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: EMC limitations?
>
> ** **
>
> We’re still going through a storage upgrade migration. The things that
> frustrated me the most were:
>
> **- **Each company uses metrics on t
I can't think of too many sectors that seem to have such a mix of lies, damned
lies, and statistics as the storage industry.
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: 08 February 2012 14:43
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: EMC limitations?
We're still going
From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:30 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: EMC limitations?
>
> ** **
>
> I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being
> frustrat
pport SCSI 3
> >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a
> >> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is
> >> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They
>
> -Paul
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:30 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: EMC limitations?
>
> ** **
>
> I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do
ed (especially
when you can't get an evaluation unit).
Incidentally, EMC lost a sale to us because they wouldn't provide an eval.
-Paul
From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: EMC limitation
raised my dander.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > - Sean
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> If true, it would have been nice of them to di
t before
>>> >> >> purchase, methinks...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Kurt
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >&
te:
>> >> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3
>> >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a
>> >> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC
>&
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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:36:14 -0600
Subject: Re: EMC limitations?
No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some
disagreement spiced a
gt; >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3
>> >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a
>>
Me three please.
Thank you!
From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: EMC limitations?
Me too, please. (For the template - Not the broken SAN.) :)
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Sean Martin
tation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC
> is
> >> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They
> >> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive
> >> >>> platform
;>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They
>> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive
>> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported
>> >>> SCSI 3.
>>
t; platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported
>> >>> SCSI 3.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Sean
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember wrote:
>> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that
ing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They
>> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive
>> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported
>> >>> SCSI 3.
>> >>>
>> >
> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to
> that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 19:34, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Kurt Buff wrote:
>> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a
>> troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support
>> LUNs larger than 1.99tb.
>
> Find out what other ways ca
Mathew Shember wrote:
>>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar.
>>>>
>>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specificatio
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Sean Martin wrote:
> It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the
> template we used for our last storage purchase.
I, for one, would love to see that document. Both because I'll
prolly be spec'ing SAN stuff within a year or two, and for the gener
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Sean Martin wrote:
> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3
> protocol which would not have that limitation.
It's prolly worth noting that there is no actual specification
document called "SCSI-3". SCSI-2 was the last "simple" SCSI s
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Kurt Buff wrote:
> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a
> troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support
> LUNs larger than 1.99tb.
Find out what other ways can you use it (other than iSCSI), and what
the limits ar
at does sound familiar.
> >>>
> >>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >&
is limited to
> that.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Mathew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> &
http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mathew
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM
> > To: NT S
gt;>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mathew
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday,
on-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mathew
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: EMC limitations?
is limited to that.
>
> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf
>
> Thanks,
> Mathew
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM
> To: NT System Adm
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EMC limitations?
I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling
limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than
1.99tb. According to a post by
I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a
troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support
LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their
community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II
protocol.
I don't know if this limi
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