s, & Security
' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
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From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead f
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 18:22, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> Normalisation is used for data integrity not efficiency.
Excuse me - yes, you are correct, especially levels beyond first
normal form. But, my point stands. It's actually used.
> And whilst there aren't many practical implementations of OSI, t
s
Ken
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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 6:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone
seen this?
Normalization is not an incorrect model for designing and impleme
]
> Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 10:01 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT -
> Anyone seen this?
>
> It all comes down to this :
>
> The OSI model is part of the 'fundamental' knowledge. It's no
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:10 AM, David Lum wrote:
> Understanding databases falls into the same category in my opinion.
We use an app here where I keep envisioning me calling up the
salesweasel like this:
Me: Hey, do you know what database normalization is?
Salesdroid: No...
Me: Neither do yo
not, for example.
Dave
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From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone
seen this?
It all comes down to this :
The OSI model is
ubject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone
seen this?
I have told some of my guys that it’s the karate kid methodology.
If you don’t have connectivity.
Check the cable, check link, check errors on switch...
Cant ping, check IP, check subnet, check gateway
E
...said Steven.
Shook
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
This thread is surprisingly subdued.
-sc
From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo
- was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone
seen this?
Agreed.
You don't need to know OSI to be able to put some network infrastructure
together. You don't need to know normalisation to design a database. You don't
need to know OOP to write an application. But all of this theory i
Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone
seen this?
It all comes down to this :
The OSI model is part of the 'fundamen
stems, Networks, & Security
' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
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From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Change
he stack isn't).
Cheers
Ken
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From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 7:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen
this?
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 09:21, Ken Scha
ystem Admin Issues
Subject: Veering even more OT - was: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen
this?
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 09:21, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any
> number of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (p
- Anyone seen this?
Makes me question my subscription.
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Some of the message was subliminal. Oh wait, this isn't admin_misc
Too bad by then the company maybe headed into the drain. Especially if they
had someone running a keylogger (too verify that the employees were keying
the correct things in) on a cash register, with their choice of software
being some thing they got off the web. I heard about that from a consulti
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 09:21, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number
> of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant (personally I think that
> it’s very relevant to know if you want to advance in an IT career)
Mr. Ely, among others,
Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
>
> That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it will
> end, with no evidence.
&
I think it's the "from" that kills ya.
;)
-sc
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
This is my story, and I'm stick
This thread is surprisingly subdued.
-sc
From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I don't think this will produce anything substantive..
e MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Ask MBS, :)
-sc
From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Makes me question my subscription.
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Some of the message was subliminal. Oh wait, this isn't admin_misc is
it? Here
gt; *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
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> +1
>
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>
> brings up very old memories :-]
>
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>
> *From:* Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:41 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subje
Same here. Who calls IT “data processing” anymore? ;-)
-Malcolm
From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 13:25
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
+1
brings up very old memories :-]
From: Don Kuhlman
Some of the message was subliminal. Oh wait, this isn't admin_misc is it? Here
comes Stu...
From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I don't
I don't think this will produce anything substantive..
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
No, he means subversion.
From: Damien So
Ask MBS, :-)
-sc
From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Don't you mean subtraction? ;)
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesar
0 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
>
>
>
> What? That can subject 2 from 32? J
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> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchang
No, he means subversion.
From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Don't you mean subtraction? ;)
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesar
Don't you mean subtraction? ;)
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Subjection skills ain't what they used to be.
-sc
From: Michae
Subjection skills ain't what they used to be.
-sc
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
What? That can subject 2 from 32? :-)
Re
this?
I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...
-sc
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I would fail the OSI part (sure I could G
Gosh...learned that one 25+ years ago in HS...
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Nice... that goes right along with resistor
Nice... that goes right along with resistor color codes
-sc
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
[mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Please
I'd love to have candidates with that ability. They are hard to find...
-sc
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I would fail the OSI part (sure I
Sadly, there is much truth in that.
-sc
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there ar
min Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or had even heard of an
OSI model.
Systems “Engineers” who are at a loss to even at a high level explain
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: 26 May 2010 18:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I remember the pizza one, but another that I always remember because it vaguely
amuses is:
Princess
Diana
Never
Tried
Sh
+1
brings up very old memories :-]
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I like that one - I learned it the other way around :0
All
On 26 May 2010 at 10:20, David Lum wrote:
> I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was
> back in the NetWare days that I learned about it in a class. Heard of it,
> does that count? 27-bit subnet? Not off the top of my head, I´d have to think
> "okay a .128 mask is
ransport
> Need Network
> DataData/LLC
> ProcessingPhysical
>
> Don K
> --
> *From:* "greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net"
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Sent:* Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:09 PM
>
>
From: "greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net"
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:25:09 PM
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Please Physical
Do Da
ok.
*sigh*
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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in "Systems Engineering" f
each does.. :)
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I would fail the OSI part (sure I could Google it just now) as it was back in
the NetWare days that I learned about
on balance it works out.
That's my story I'm stickin' to it.
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI mo
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> It’s kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number
> of people here that will dismiss it as irrelevant ...
I suspect a lot of people dismiss the OSI model because nothing
really works exactly the way the OSI model
Home users are doing the same thing. We want nearly self-healing systems.
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
The fact is that as technology becomes
folks around.
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
It's kinda funny that you mention the OSI model, since there are any number
of people here that
) )
Cheers
Ken
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I've dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn't calculate the nu
onths.
:-)
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
You're hired!
-sc
From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1
On 26 May 2010 at 9:52, Erik Goldoff wrote:
> The sad truth of the matter, especially as relates to WinTel
> technologies: The good thing is that almost anyone can install a Windows
> operating system and Windows applications. But the bad thing is that almost
> anyone can install a Windows op
You're hired!
-sc
From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I would verify that my driver's license was current and that it matched
all my othe
anges Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
"Please explain how you would troubleshoot a potential name resolution
issue."
*BLANK STARE*
-sc
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Chang
"Please explain how you would troubleshoot a potential name resolution
issue."
*BLANK STARE*
-sc
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I i
Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
I’ve dismissed more network candidates than I can remember because they
couldn’t calculate the number of hosts in a subnet. Or ha
Dave
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
+1
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010
ual use to administer the technology.
From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
There was a time when installing Windows still needed some knowhow - think F6
for RAID d
e can install Windows and its applications. How
> many of those really understand what’s going on?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *S
to:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
+1
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Chang
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Kurt Buff wrote:
> Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login
> magazine has an article titled "Programming with Technological Ritual
> and Alchemy" and is well worth a read. It's an observation by a CS
> professor who notes that his current
, securely, *and* efficiently* !
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> *Erik Goldoff***
>
> *IT Consultant*
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> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
> ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesda
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From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Yep. Before b
ok.
*sigh*
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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in "Systems Engineering" f
gth of his personality, not his technical skills.
Regards,
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone see
s, not a one time event ! '
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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
A kid I know graduated last year with a degree in "Systems Enginee
T System Admin Issues
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The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to
learn less about it.
The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather
to an even smaller percentage of car owners
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> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
>
> That's rich. A series
+1
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to
learn less about it.
The ubiquity of
n Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it will end,
with no evidence.
Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login magazine has
an article titled "Programming with Technologic
I'll bet that the percentage of people who actually care about how things
really work has either remained static, or decreased over time relative to
the general population. As a percentage of technology users, of course, the
percentage has decreased dramatically, since "technology user" used to be
The fact is that as technology becomes more prevalent, MOST people desire to
learn less about it.
The ubiquity of automobiles has not led to more auto mechanics, but rather
to an even smaller percentage of car owners being able to deal with even
routine maintenance on a vehicle.
There is no reaso
That's rich. A series of bald statements that the world as we know it
will end, with no evidence.
Somewhat apropos of this, the current (June 2010) issue of ;login
magazine has an article titled "Programming with Technological Ritual
and Alchemy" and is well worth a read. It's an observation by a
sender by reply email and delete all copies of this
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From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Big Changes Ahead for IT - Anyone seen this?
Don't we see stories like this fairly
My users can't get their usernames and passwords right. One person this
morning tried to use the mouse on the "Windows failed to start" screen and
phoned me to ask why the cursor wasn't showing. They regularly put the wrong
data into application fields and their grasp of spelling is atrocious. I ca
Don't we see stories like this fairly often? IIRC there was a WSJ article
last year that said much the same thing but was little more than a rant that
he wasn't able to install the software he wanted.
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
wrote:
> Sometimes you have to wonder .
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