On 1/7/06, vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We already found WMD. We found a mobile weapons laboratory almost right
> away. There were no chems in it but is was there. We know he had WMD because
So what you're saying is that we invaded Iraq for an empty double-wide
trailer? Are we invading Alabam
I am getting fat!! LOL!!!
-=vic
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From: "Jim Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Billy Bob'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Dustin Goodwin'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'nycwireless'"
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:20 AM
Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read
Robert,
Recent U.S inflation rates:
2004 2.68%
2003 2.27%
2002 1.59%
2001 2.83%
2000 3.38%
Final data is not in yet for 2005 but it looks like it will run a little
over 3% I haven't really felt inflation as an issue since Jimmy Carter was
President and it sometimes hit close to 20%
Jim
> -O
No. I don't think it was neccesary and I don't see the connection to war
depbts (whose?) Everyone knows Hussein had them but he obvously hid or got
rid of most of them. The war occurred because he violated terms of the cease
fire of 1991. Among the violations were daily firing on of U.S. and Brit
Oh and I guess I should add that while violent crime continues to decline in
the U.S., it steadily increases in Europe, Australia, and the U.K. where
they now have HIGHER violent crime rates than in the U.S., something most
Europeans often don't know.
Jim
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> From: [EMA
Billy Bob,
Let's see, GDP keeps on clicking at 3-4 % growth pretty much every year...
The same was true in 2005. Inflation practically non-existent. Unemployment
about as low as it's been ever in our history, Home ownership at an all time
high. State of the country is such that those who the U.S
Yes, in absolute terms our debt is large because our economy is so large.
That's a GOOD thing!
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vic
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:32 PM
> To: Cienfuegos; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
> Subj
We already found WMD. We found a mobile weapons laboratory almost right
away. There were no chems in it but is was there. We know he had WMD because
WE the US GAVE WMD to Iraq to fight Iran.
Please I thirst for intelligent convo..
Prior to invasion Iraq's military FIRED on our US planes almost 5
We have a trillion dollar economy and interest rates are at record lows.
What are you talking about. I don't think you have ever taken a business
class or watched news other then the MTV news.
-=vic
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From: "Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There does seem to be a lot of inflation. As long as we're going way off
topic, I'd like to see the Fed continue tightening for at least another
year. Way too much inflation.
Billy Bob wrote:
No... I'm not kidding. If you really believe that, then you live in LaLa
land.
Not only does our e
I'll bet you're still looking for WMD's to justify "war debts"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vic
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:32 PM
To: Cienfuegos; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and b
No... I'm not kidding. If you really believe that, then you live in LaLa
land.
Not only does our economy suck but so does our current state of our country
as a whole.
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From: Jim Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:58 AM
To: 'Billy Bob
Biggest debtor yes but not debt by proportion to GDP. Our debt is small when
compared to our GDP.
War debts let us have comparative safety on the streets to trade and
partially keep up the value of the USD.
-=vic
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From: "Cienfuegos" <[EMA
Ah, if only I were as well informed as you! Thanks for the guidance.
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> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:35 PM
> To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net
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Robert,
It is not a monopoly because in Texas, Verizon will not be the only
franchisee. Time Warner has also applied. I imagine others may do the same.
In my town, the municipaliity does not limit the number of MSOs to two.
However, to get a franchise the MSO must agree to serve the entire town
Rob,
It just might have worked out just fine if NYC did not decide to be a
water provider. My water provider is a publicly traded corporation and we
have very high quality water here. Also, every customer has a water meter!
The more water we use, the more we pay. Now I don't know if this is st
Lets try to keep our conversations down to earth please.
Those who are terrified about govt. subsidized broadband, rather than
repeating the erroneous and semi-religious mantra of the wonders of a
capitalist economy a little education on the subject would go a long
way. The biggest debtor nation
How is the Texas franchise different other franchises? How is it not in
its heart of hearts a monopoly?
Re the situation in the place where you live, I don't know how they've
worked it out, but even an agreement that allows you to select either
RCN or Comcast is still a duopoly and duopoly is
I agree the market is not going to solve this one.
New York City has a water supply. City leaders made it a priority to
control this and built reservoirs. Having this steady, reliable and
affordable supply expanded the city's growth rate and tax base.
Now what about our broadband supply, esp
Robert,
Govt. video franchises are not always monopolies. That depends on the
municipality or govt. entity granting it. In the case of the Texas
state-wide franchise it is not. In the community where I live, two cable
companies, RCN and Comcast, have franchises so I have my choice. For
broadband
Citywide or statewide franchise, makes no difference. Still a franchise
and still a state-granted monopoly. What is the problem with monopoly?
Well, the classical analysis finds dead-weight costs. What's the problem
with a state-granted monopoly? Well, there's at least two. First, an
ordinary m
Look to the franchising issue to change, if not go away. Due to the ILECs
entering the video market they are trying their very best NOT to have to
jump through all the hoops the cable company's were forced to. They've
already gotten the law changed in Texas to where a company can apply for a
stat
Subsidy or no subsidy, we only have to consider the far superior quality
of South Korean broadband to realize that the entire notion of providing
a market solution to satisfy a market need has absolutely broken down in
the case of our country. It has always seemed to me that the underylying
the
Lars,
Perhaps there is no subsidy in your case. I may have mis-understood.
If the municipality involved did not fund the fiber build with tax dollars,
and is making a profit on the network, which is necessary in order to
support and maintain the fiber network, then there is none. I do feel
Rob,
And as my tax dollars won't be funding what you do in NYC, as long as you
don't snare any federal funds, I have absolutley no objection to it! I
merely wanted to correct the misunderstanding about broadband being cheaper
elsewhere than in the U.S. It's not. Don't forget, it's capitalism
Ben,
You make some good point. However in reference to Philly Muni Wireless,
it's not built yet so let's wait and see before we pronounce it a success.
All terms of the contract have not even been finalized. In Philly they have
only now just realized that many of the folks that they want to brin
Larry,
We're getting way off topic now. We could go on and on, but before
someone rightfully objects, I just wanted to address the point that
broadband is NOT cheaper elsewhere than it is in the U.S. BTW, little in
this world is free. The healthcare of government employees certainly is not.
Tak
I know I do, and I object. I said that I do not WANT to. The great people
who founded this country never envisioned nor intended that the govt. would
be our mommy.
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> From: Billy Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL
Jim Henry wrote:
> I'd be willing to bet you are not counting the taxes you and
> your fellow subjects pay for that municipal fiber network as
> part of that $40/month.
Does every ISP in Manhattan dig the streets to lay down their own
cables? How does that work in this era of telecom deregula
Jim:
Maybe in airpower's home of Lansdowne, PA, people think "taxation is
theft" (though I doubt it).
Here in NYC, as in NYCwireless, people put up with some of the highest
income tax rates in the country. Why? Because we believe in the city,
the urban environment, and communal services. Tax
Hello All,
Having read the article, this is not about higher taxes guys...
It's about competition. Free market competition, which isn't occurring
in the broadband market in the US. This also isn't about fast internet
for the 1%, like me who has fiber in Westchester that is 5Mb/2Mb for
$35/
Jim,
I think you might have been drinking too much of the right-wing Kool-aid.
This country was formed for the "Common Good" of the people.
Our friends in Europe understand that principle, and while their taxes are
higher, they receive many more services than we do for our tax money. I
don't mi
"I certainly don't want my tax dollars paying for so[m]eone else's water,
electricity, gas, medicine, education, healthcare, etc."
Where do you live? If it's the US, you already do pay for these products and
services for others in all sorts of places.
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Lars,
I'm OK with street lights and quite a bit more, but you've got to draw
the line somewhere. I certainly don't want my tax dollars paying for soeone
else's water, electricity, gas, medicine, education, healthcare, etc. As to
the cost of your broadband connection, I'd be willing to bet you
You're kidding, right? ;-)
> -Original Message-
> From: Billy Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless'
> Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read!
>
>
> "...we have the strongest ec
Jim Henry wrote:
> Just curious, does anyone know if in these countries where
> broadband is cheaper and more prevalent than the U.S., is it
> really cheaper or is it subsidized by the government? I honestly
> don't know the answer. I would like it to be cheaper here also
> and more widesprea
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