Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread Richard Lowe
James Dickens wrote: On 6/17/06, Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: James Dickens wrote: > All 5 current distrobutions are currently handicaped. There are lack > the ability of including close bits that are included by Solaris > Express. Untill everything is open it has advantages that no

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “communi ty” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread James Dickens
On 6/17/06, Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: James Dickens wrote: > All 5 current distrobutions are currently handicaped. There are lack > the ability of including close bits that are included by Solaris > Express. Untill everything is open it has advantages that no other > distrobution c

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread Ben Rockwood
James Dickens wrote: All 5 current distrobutions are currently handicaped. There are lack the ability of including close bits that are included by Solaris Express. Untill everything is open it has advantages that no other distrobution can have why not include what the community has created. H

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris: How many lines of code?

2006-06-17 Thread Laszlo (Laca) Peter
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 11:21 -0700, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > When we released OpenSolaris last year it represented about 10 million > lines of code. But since then, we've released code sixteen times (save > the binary releases). > > Does anyone know what these releases represent in terms of lines of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread Philip Brown
On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 04:05:47PM +0100, Peter Tribble wrote: > ... > While blastwave does it, I can't use blastwave as a part of some > other solution. And that's the problem with all the package > management systems - they're fine, as long as you use them in > complete isolation. > > The underl

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread Philip Brown
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 04:16:04PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote: >Sun just needs to pick something, stand behind it, and give it a bit of support (make sure things are up to Sun's high stability/etc standards.) Tee Hee... We've learned one or two things from sun's original companion cd distribut

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread Philip Brown
On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 04:17:42PM -0700, Hugh McIntyre wrote: > Potentially what would help here is to integrate a stub pkg-get command > into the base install, but out of the box this would just be a wrapper, > not linked to any specific back-end repository. > great idea. and actually, alread

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread James Carlson
James Dickens writes: > DTrace Toolkit by Brendan G. This, and several of the others on your list, likely need to be addressed by the author of the code in question. Or someone needs to volunteer to do the work to integrate it, which includes getting the necessary permission and licensing. > All

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread David J. Orman
On Jun 17, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Hugh McIntyre wrote: Potentially what would help here is to integrate a stub pkg-get command into the base install, but out of the box this would just be a wrapper, not linked to any specific back-end repository. Then, the first time you used it (via GUI or com

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Google Earth

2006-06-17 Thread ken mays
UNIX admin wrote: >> I wonder if the people at Microsoft will port MSIE 7 >> to Solaris. Don't >> laugh. The penetration of MSIE 7 into the user space >> will be huge and >> having it on Solaris would be a win. > > At one time Microsoft would not support the Amiga platform, at that time the #1

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Google Earth

2006-06-17 Thread Hugh McIntyre
UNIX admin wrote: I wonder if the people at Microsoft will port MSIE 7 to Solaris. Don't laugh. The penetration of MSIE 7 into the user space will be huge and having it on Solaris would be a win. At one time Microsoft would not support the Amiga platform, at that time the #1 home, multimedia

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “communi ty” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread James Dickens
On 6/17/06, Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: James Dickens wrote: > OpenSolaris has been out a year now and the number one download of the > community is Solaris Express Community Release, but what makes it the > Community release? Is it because it's released 2 weeks earlier than > Solari

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread Hugh McIntyre
Peter Tribble wrote: On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 07:35, David J. Orman wrote: Stable software, reasonably up to date, and a *part* of Solaris. The trouble is that stability and up-to-dateness are conflicting goals. Solaris chooses stability. Now personally, I think they go too far, with a reluctan

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread Ben Rockwood
James Dickens wrote: OpenSolaris has been out a year now and the number one download of the community is Solaris Express Community Release, but what makes it the Community release? Is it because it's released 2 weeks earlier than Solaris Express? How about adding things into it that makes it di

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On 6/17/06, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > New users and converts are turned off by saying go download foo. To >> > make Solaris work the way they expect it to behave. >> > >> >> >> There are also 1,511 apps/packages at Blastwave. >> > i didn't mean the whole distrobution, jus

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “ community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread James Dickens
On 6/17/06, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OpenSolaris has been out a year now and the number one download of the > community is Solaris Express Community Release, but what makes it the > Community release? Is it because it's released 2 weeks earlier than > Solaris Express? > > How a

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Dickens wrote: > OpenSolaris has been out a year now and the number one download of the > community is Solaris Express Community Release, but what makes it the > Community release? Is it because it's released 2 weeks earlier than > Solaris Expres

Re: [osol-discuss] Where is the “community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread Dennis Clarke
> OpenSolaris has been out a year now and the number one download of the > community is Solaris Express Community Release, but what makes it the > Community release? Is it because it's released 2 weeks earlier than > Solaris Express? > > How about adding things into it that makes it different and

[osol-discuss] Where is the “community” in Solaris Express Community Release?

2006-06-17 Thread James Dickens
OpenSolaris has been out a year now and the number one download of the community is Solaris Express Community Release, but what makes it the Community release? Is it because it's released 2 weeks earlier than Solaris Express? How about adding things into it that makes it different and more useful

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris: How many lines of code?

2006-06-17 Thread Dennis Clarke
> When we released OpenSolaris last year it represented about 10 million lines > of code. But since then, we've released code sixteen times (save the binary > releases). > > Does anyone know what these releases represent in terms of lines of code? > Easy question with fuzzy answers. Should we re

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread Dick Davies
On 17/06/06, Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 03:16, David J. Orman wrote: > For goodness sake, I've got two FreeBSD boxes doing all my web serving > because I didn't want to go through the hassle of hand compiling > apache/php/modules/mysql/postgresql/etc (not to me

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Google Earth

2006-06-17 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 16, 2006, at 19:39, UNIX admin wrote: Hear, hear! Or, how about a Java version? Write once, run anywhere, and all that jazz... NOW THERE is a perfectly good and fast way to make an application run like crap. Java! Only ASP.NET is worse... Nice troll, but stuff like Looking Glas

[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris: How many lines of code?

2006-06-17 Thread Jim Grisanzio
When we released OpenSolaris last year it represented about 10 million lines of code. But since then, we've released code sixteen times (save the binary releases). Does anyone know what these releases represent in terms of lines of code? * OS/Net Consolidation 6/14/05 * JDS Consolidation: 10/

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread ken mays
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 07:35, David J. Orman wrote: > I'm asking about a compromise. Keeping software reasonably up to > date, at the same time not so bleeding edge as to it coring all the > time. Coring isn't the problem (or shouldn't be - it's not an issue I worry much about). > Stable sof

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread Peter Tribble
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 07:35, David J. Orman wrote: > I'm asking about a compromise. Keeping software reasonably up to > date, at the same time not so bleeding edge as to it coring all the > time. Coring isn't the problem (or shouldn't be - it's not an issue I worry much about). > Stable soft

Re: [osol-discuss] SVOSUG - Postgres & Solaris/OpenSolaris - Thurs. June 22nd 7:30pm SCA03

2006-06-17 Thread lianep
"Dick Davies" writes: > On 17/06/06, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Postgres has been added into Solaris/OpenSolaris, which some folks are not > > aware of yet. It is now included in both Solaris and OpenSolaris. You can > > download the latest Solaris Express and get Postgres with

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread Peter Tribble
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 03:16, David J. Orman wrote: > For goodness sake, I've got two FreeBSD boxes doing all my web serving > because I didn't want to go through the hassle of hand compiling > apache/php/modules/mysql/postgresql/etc (not to mention it was a mess > to even try, You're kidding rig

[osol-discuss] SVOSUG - Postgres & Solaris/OpenSolaris - Thurs. June 22nd 7:30pm SCA03

2006-06-17 Thread Dick Davies
On 17/06/06, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Postgres has been added into Solaris/OpenSolaris, which some folks are not aware of yet. It is now included in both Solaris and OpenSolaris. You can download the latest Solaris Express and get Postgres with the install. Bit off-topic, but is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues

2006-06-17 Thread Moritz Willers
David, you may want to read http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/install/files/ install_strategy.pdf You are not alone with your frustration. I'm sure Dave Miner will be glad to get your feedback on the above. I'm certainly looking forward to it but I'm staying with FreeBSD until it

[osol-discuss] Re: [osol-announce] ON build 42

2006-06-17 Thread Erast Benson
Cool! Thanks for trying this out. Just a bit more clarifications on Nexenta upgrades: 1) We are using BFU-like way to upgrade our bits but difference is that it is all done via APT repository with respect to the set of pre-installed packages; 2) We are using Debconf front-ends for user interacti

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is newfs and ufsdump so much slower in single user mode than in run level 3?

2006-06-17 Thread Casper . Dik
>The system concerned is a SunFire 240 with 2 x CPU 1050 Mhz, 2 Gbyte RAM >and 4 internal SCSI disk (c1t0d0,c1t1d0,c1t2d0,c1t3d0) > >It's a lab machine. > >I booted Solaris 8 2/04 off CDROM and got to single user mode. Ah, Solaris 8 (what are you doing here, running such old stuff :-) You'll fi

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is newfs and ufsdump so much slower in single user mode than in run level 3?

2006-06-17 Thread Steven Sim
Casper and All who Replied; Firstly, thanks for taking time off to reply my email! The system concerned is a SunFire 240 with 2 x CPU 1050 Mhz, 2 Gbyte RAM and 4 internal SCSI disk (c1t0d0,c1t1d0,c1t2d0,c1t3d0) It's a lab machine. I booted Solaris 8 2/04 off CDROM and got to single user mode