On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 04:05:47PM +0100, Peter Tribble wrote:
> ...
> While blastwave does it, I can't use blastwave as a part of some
> other solution. And that's the problem with all the package
> management systems - they're fine, as long as you use them in
> complete isolation.
> 
> The underlying problem is dependency hell. And Ubuntu/Blastwave/
> whoever don't solve the problem - they hide it from the user and
> therefore don't encourage the community to solve the basic problem.

You just contradicted yourself. The only way to guarantee a fix from
dependancy hell (and have all the dependancies WORK, when you type
 [mumblety-upgrade])  is to ensure it all comes from the same place.
I dont see any call for "the community to solve" this. it's a fact of life,
living with free software. it's not a solvable problem.
[unless you've come up with some miracle strategy to force free software
 authors to actually stick to sane release numbers, library naming,
 and binary compatible APIs unto themselves.
 ie: "berkeleydb". DISGUSTING!  Now, how do you suggest the community "fix"
 that issue? ]

It's certainly not a USER-solvable problem. They want it to "just work",
usually.



> As such, they only guarantee compatibility, consistency, and
> stability amongst in their own self-contained universe. On home
> machines that's probably enough, but it's certainly not good
> enough once you need to do something the repository can't.

There are multiple options, at least with blastwave, if it's software we
dont already have:

a) request someone at blastwave add the software you need
  (not guaranteed someone will pick it up)
 
b) compile it locally against blastwave packages.
   yes, amazing, but this does actually work ;-)

c) join up and volunteer to package it. Then you're pretty sure it will be
as up to date as you need ;-)

And if existing software doesnt have a feature you need.. File a feature
request as a bug!


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