Re: [osol-discuss] From Ubuntu to Solaris

2007-09-22 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/21/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: XFS? XFS! In absence of ZFS, the best 'classic' filesystem out there, bar none, no ifs, buts, or maybes. My, my, touchy are we? I do not see the serious error of not turning on a filesystem that is 1) not going to work properly with 4k

Re: [osol-discuss] From Ubuntu to Solaris

2007-09-21 Thread Giles Turner
And I can tell you from first hand experience, in the server arena, *every* Linux dsitro is different. Files are strewn in different locations all over the place; files are named differently; file system hierarchy can look completely different from one distro to the next. Core

Re: [osol-discuss] From Ubuntu to Solaris

2007-09-21 Thread Giles Turner
the fact that to work around the differences from IRIX and Linux has turned the XFS code into such a monster that quite a few Linux kernel developers have publicly proclaimed that they want nothing to do with XFS code. that should have been: the fact that working around the differences

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Giles Turner
Well, Solaris 11 will be published in October 2007 ;-) ... see /etc/motd http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6536468 hehe. Okay, trust nobody until you see it with your own eyes. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] The next really really big thing. Was OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Giles Turner
By the way, these devices will be designed and built in the People's Republic of China. Sooner than you and I can possibly imagine. So get rolling, because time is short. Please, anywhere but China. I will take Taiwan but not China. Man, they do not understand quality control. My dad visits

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-14 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/14/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.200709 12.1.xml Why the dark side parabole? Why, quite a few people view Microsoft as the dark side. It would

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giles Turner wrote: Nice. I hear Solaris 11 is coming out early next year. You need to get a better source of info. That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales Organization, Global Sales Services guy. Maybe he

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
Nice. I hear Solaris 11 is coming out early next year. You need to get a better source of info. That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales Organization, Global Sales Services guy. Since the engineering organisations don't know if the next release is Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/09/2007, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml I know you're joking, but seriously

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, Ché Kristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we can't :( Oh we can...when the EU gets Microsoft to release interoperability specifications. Then we will be joining ADS domains as full members or controllers and so we will definitely be part of the Dark Side maybe more than we want to be.

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-13 Thread Giles Turner
That was straight from a local Sun CDP Sales Manager, Partner Sales Organization, Global Sales Services guy. Well, Solaris 11 will be published in October 2007 ;-) ... see /etc/motd Sun Microsystems Inc. SunOS 5.11 snv_59 October 2007 Gah. Never trust Sales.

[osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/09/2007, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sun lovers! Looks like we will now become DarkSun lovers. Got your dice? http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-09/sunflash.20070912.1.xml I know you're joking, but seriously, I don't

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
Running Vista on Sun hardware ... was last week : No! Not that! I will take Window XP but Vista!?!?!? I need a drink. http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/80 ... if we look forwards with some far reaching visions we can expect to see Solaris running on IBM Power hardware. Just

Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
I'll just wait and see what happens out of this... Back and forth they go. Now AMD has announced they intended to allow access to the the 2D and 3D specifications *without* an NDA at today's X Developer Summit in the UK: The 2D specifications will be released very soon and the 3D ones will

Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun joins the dark side :-D

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Turner
On 9/13/07, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running Vista on Sun hardware ... was last week : No! Not that! I will take Window XP but Vista!?!?!? I need a drink. If you check my blog you will see that I really don't drink the Microsoft cool-aid at all. :-) ... if we look

Re: [osol-discuss] [Rant] Why does the Download Center not work?

2007-09-11 Thread Giles Turner
Good to know, thanks. Still a strange coincidence. The strangest part I didn't even mention: I also had the same problems with sol-nv-b71-x86-dvd-iso-b. The OP had probs with #70, I had probs with #71 and #72. Always x86, always the b part. Really really weird. Hate to do a me 'too' on

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-28 Thread Giles Turner
Sun's hardware comes with 3-yr warranty, sometimes this is more important than price. Plus, the list price may not be the final price. Most hardware you get from shops come with at least 3 year warranty nowadays. Seagate disks under 5 and others are even under lifetime warranty.

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-27 Thread Giles Turner
On 8/27/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard good reports about A-Bit motherboards (on Linux) if you want to try a cheaper alternative to those solid Tyan boards. That's a nice tip to know. In principle though, as I build these not only for myself but for my customers,

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-27 Thread Giles Turner
On 8/27/07, andrewk9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asus BIOSes are buggy. They cause grief on Linux as well with their broken APIC tables. With Asus products, I have had to set noapic or acpi=off to get a stable box when running Linux. I guess snv_61 has stuff to work around buggy BIOSes?

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-27 Thread Giles Turner
On 8/27/07, W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, up until snv_61, the ASUS motherboard (A7V-133C) has given me nothing but grief. Even with Windows XP. The letter V in ASUS MB (e.g., A7V) means it uses Via chipset. Avoid those. We have been very pleased with ASUS

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-26 Thread Giles Turner
On 8/26/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard got things about Tyan and AMD. (I have an old ASUS SK8N myself) TYAN + AMD combination works really well -- I build TYAN-based Solaris systems exclusively nowdays. On the other hand, up until snv_61, the ASUS motherboard

Re: [osol-discuss] HCL is pretty anemic...

2007-08-21 Thread Giles Turner
On 8/22/07, Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 17:34 -0400, Brandorr wrote: I am putting together an x96 server, and almost every component I look at isn't listed on the HCL. (I'd prefer not to shop from the HCL) Is there a list of what has been tested and

[osol-discuss] OT: Sun hardware to disappear?!?!

2007-08-16 Thread Giles Turner
First we get the new T2 being GPL'ed. Now it looks like we will have IBM servers preloading Solaris. http://www.physorg.com/news106499717.html Is Sun planning to leave the hardware market? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Giles Turner
On 8/14/07, Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, since I´ m not very well informed about the history of Unix, I just wanted to ask: Could Novell come up one day and say parts of Solaris is ours ? Thanks in advance? No. Sun's license goes way back to ATT days with System V release 4.

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-01 Thread Giles Turner
Keep in mind that if you are tracking sales records. Blizzard just made an all time sales record with a PC based game (The sequel to World of Warcraft). Yup, that's what the article I read a month or so stated. MMORPGs like WoW are the most successful of the PC games anymore. Probably because

Re: [osol-discuss] Brief introduction of Solaris

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Turner
Wrong list and where is the proper Chinese version? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Zfs Sata array?

2007-07-12 Thread Giles Turner
On 7/12/07, Completely Illogical [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B, Thanks for the thoughts. I think individual USB enclosures would be double power consumption, a serious consideration when doing 12 drives! USB?!?! That really came out of the blue. I was thinking of things like SOHOTank enclosures

Re: [osol-discuss] Zfs Sata array?

2007-07-10 Thread Giles Turner
. So, I'm sold. But, now I need a hardware card to support 8-12 sata drives, and finding one that Solaris can use is quite difficult. I was hoping to get something more simple and less expensive than the 3ware cards, since the riad control would now be strictly software. Software 'raid'

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: ISO of a 16 channel sata2 controller..

2007-06-29 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/29/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have an areca 16 port card. the ARC-1216 i believe it is. supposedly it is supported nicely under solaris/OS too... (i have used areca products under linux, windows and freebsd myself) it is the only 3ware-like hardware available for Solaris...

Re: [osol-discuss] ISO of a 16 channel sata2 controller..

2007-06-26 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/26/07, Andrew R Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking to build a raid array consisting of up to 16 sata drivers. Are there any cards out there that will work under OS that can handle upwards of 16? Yes. Once port-multiplier support is in the drivers. You could attach 4 4-bay

Re: [osol-discuss] http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/061807-zfs-on-linux.html

2007-06-25 Thread Giles Turner
Will ZFS be more stable on its native OS or in userland on Linux? It could be stable on both but I suspect a risk averse decision maker would use ZFS on a Solaris and one of the more well-supported filesystems for Linux... Right now...I think I would not have much of a choice if you are talking

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sil 3124 SATA woes

2007-06-25 Thread Giles Turner
Hello Gary, Sorry to hear about your problems. On 6/22/07, Gary Gendel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! Where the heck to I look to track down what's happening. Some other issues... If I make either of the boards PCI masters in the BIOS, I can't boot. If I load both the boards BIOS ROMS, I

Re: [osol-discuss] stable ABI advantages ...

2007-06-25 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/26/07, MC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [i]The advantage[s] of a stable ABI are all mitigated when binary packages of proprietary drivers are available. [/i] http://www4.osnews.com/permalink?250425 Can someone smarter than me comment on that post? :) I believe that post refers to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Fingerprint Authentication

2007-06-18 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good fingerprint authentication is better than passwords in dare I say every way, EXCEPT for whe n you are a high profile target who might be stalked for finger access. The hordes of people out t here using simple passwords like

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Fingerprint Authentication

2007-06-17 Thread Giles Turner
You can't dictionary brute force a fingerprint remotely, and you can't forget your finger :) no remote access...yet... Good fingerprint authentication is better than passwords in dare I say every way, EXCEPT for when you are a high profile target who might be stalked for finger access.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Project Proposal: Fingerprint Authentication

2007-06-17 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/16/07, Gaopeng Chen - Sun China [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now it just focuses on the fingerprint. The design is required to be able to easily extended to other biometrics. If the resources in opensolaris are enough, the bioAPI may be considered to be imported to cover all the biometrics.

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Fingerprint Authentication

2007-06-15 Thread Giles Turner
What if I wanted to use pam_bioapi instead of pam_fpr before bioapi is imported? I have to say no before bioapi is imported. But it doesn't matter since the security services (such as login, xscreensaver, etc) work upon the PAM APIs. pam_fpr or pam_bioapi is just a pluggable module in

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Fingerprint Authentication

2007-06-15 Thread Giles Turner
Why do you want fingerprint authentication? You can fool these sensors easily with a piece of wax or latex. You'd better write the root password on the backside of the keyboard - that's more secure than fingerprint authentication Exactly why I want to see bioapi in instead of some fingerprint

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Fingerprint Authentication

2007-06-14 Thread Giles Turner
Have you considered bioapi? Will libfpr be bioapi compatible? Does OpenSolaris want a Solaris specific library/interface when something already exists? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Fingerprint Authentication

2007-06-14 Thread Giles Turner
is available for Solaris. Even better if pam_bioapi is used and so we have a crossplatform tool that works in GNOME or whatever. On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 15:20, Giles Turner wrote: Have you considered bioapi? Will libfpr be bioapi compatible? Does OpenSolaris want a Solaris specific library/interface

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Fingerprint Authentication

2007-06-14 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/14/07, Gaopeng Chen - Sun China [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 17:24, Giles Turner wrote: What if I wanted to use pam_bioapi instead of pam_fpr before bioapi is imported? I have to say no before bioapi is imported. But it doesn't matter since the security services

[osol-discuss] Re: [approach-discuss] Re: [sfwnv-discuss] Why we should have an OpenSolaris Hosted binary set. [OSH-thread]

2007-06-04 Thread Giles Turner
4) Sun (Ian/Indiana/Others) wants a second Solaris distro that will be the Fedora to Sun's RHEL (Solaris). They wish to do this and still leave a clear migration path from one distro to another. (Unlike Fedora). Yes! I think we can all get behind this sort of vision. But making a better

[osol-discuss] Re: [approach-discuss] Like minded individuals let's start working on an OpenSolaris.org distro right now.

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
I also propose that if you are in favor of this distro coming to be, that you respond to this thread. Please do this even if you can not contribute. It will give other like minded individuals moral support. ;) aye ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the Blastwave software bolted in because ALL of that happened with community people. Just my thoughts. I concur. Not what I want. Are we building an open community, or are we

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
creating an open process. I disagree. Those developers need input. To get input they need a user base. Right now, that user base almost entirely consists of Solaris users and not OpenSolaris users which means things are skewed in a particular direction. On 5/31/07, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/31/07, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I threw in my -1 for a very specific reason, and that's that I don't think that this project benefits us ( where us

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
I'm interested in doing what needs to be done to move forwards and without losing those users that run Solaris 8 and 9 and 10. That is a bit of a challenge to say the least. Which may or may not be possible since Solaris 8/9/10 are under a different mandate than OpenSolaris.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/31/07, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the Blastwave software bolted in because ALL of that happened with community

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, MC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the Blastwave software bolted in because ALL of that happened with community people. That would be great. And if that isn't what Ian's crew is looking for, both could happen. Nothing stopping group x

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
My initial hostility towards ian's distro is that it reeks of something just given to us by on high by The Great Managers at SUNW (cathedral model) rather than any sort of community effort (bazaar model) and I fear that'll translate in to the product being just some advertising campaign for Sun,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
I do think that if it goes ahead, calling the reference distribution by the name OpenSolaris is dangerous ( does that mean that Belenix /isn't/ opensolaris? ). Even if it is called by another name, if it is prominently featured on opensolaris.org without others being represented... I also

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/1/07, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel that you will never ever get what Ian is going to do from the OpenSolaris community. Not from Solaris users. Period. This doesn't strike you as a bad thing? That's a sign of a lack

[osol-discuss] Re: [approach-discuss] Like minded individuals let's start working on an OpenSolaris.org distro right now.

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
I also propose that if you are in favor of this distro coming to be, that you respond to this thread. Please do this even if you can not contribute. It will give other like minded individuals moral support. ;) aye. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-05-31 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A big -1 from me We don't need YetAnotherDistro to jump start the community ( some might argue that Ian-diana does the opposite, since it's entirely a Sun initiative ), we need open development. Open development agreed and things are

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with rising tide sometimes comes storm. Is it going to benefit others, or is it smoke and mirrors to wrestle control away from the community? Right...enough with the conspiracy theories. Will it attract new users to OpenSolaris, or