Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-28 Thread john kroll
My concern with alternate OS and oracle/sun is its gamble stake in public cloud support if it is nill. I mean when user is not trying to use college documentation and attempting a home repair of product ?? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Bob Palowoda
You (Bob Palowoda) wrote: What are you doing with these WorkStations or Desktops? Are there production services running on them, or are they development and desktop tools? Because: The Solaris 10 download includes a development and evaluation license. So,

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Again, as stated, can you please provide a PUBLIC REFERENCABLE site, that explicitly states that? Preferable (no: Exclusively!) with an URL, that starts wirh hp.com? Thanks! Sadly, as I'm a Sun/Oracle Employee, I have NO INSIGHT into HP's actions, NOR into Oracle Management decisions. Those,

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Bob, You (Bob Palowoda) wrote: You (Bob Palowoda) wrote: What are you doing with these WorkStations or Desktops? Are there production services running on them, or are they development and desktop tools? Because: The Solaris 10 download includes a

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
People have been reporting their experiences both talking to Oracle, HP, Dell, etc regarding Solaris support and how there are conflicting views out there. You seem to be shooting the messengers. I'll report my experience here (please don't shoot me): our Dell sales rep has stated that they will

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Giovanni, I'm not trying to shoot the messenger, and not you in person. Charles wrote: Any of you who are Oracle employees: your employer needs to get their communications strategy together. From which it seems obvious (at least to me), together with the former statement: Our

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread ken mays
...@sysdroid.com wrote: From: Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers To: matth...@pfuetzner.de Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, Charles Hedrick hedr...@rutgers.edu Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 7:23 AM People have been reporting

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Matthias Pfützner
...@sysdroid.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers To: matth...@pfuetzner.de Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, Charles Hedrick hedr...@rutgers.edu Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 7:23 AM People have been reporting their experiences both talking to Oracle, HP, Dell

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Matthias Pfützner
...@sysdroid.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers To: matth...@pfuetzner.de Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, Charles Hedrick hedr...@rutgers.edu Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 7:23 AM People have been reporting their experiences both talking to Oracle, HP, Dell

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Marion Hakanson
matth...@pfuetzner.de said: As stated many times: All older systems are eligible to get a support contract, as long as they have an entitlement. Support comes directly from Oracle. But, yes, no security updates without a contract. Still, I have NO insight, into how Oracle handled or handles

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread dennis sexton
Hmm. Very strange. Our reseller just gave us the option to convert all of our X86 boxes that run Linux to a hardware-only support model. Seems like there is a lot of right hand not knowing like what the left hand is doing within and outside of Sunacle. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Marion Hakanson
dwsexto...@netscape.net said: Hmm. Very strange. Our reseller just gave us the option to convert all of our X86 boxes that run Linux to a hardware-only support model. Seems like there is a lot of right hand not knowing like what the left hand is doing within and outside of Sunacle. Maybe

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Matthias Pfützner
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: dennis sexton dwsexto...@netscape.net An: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Gesendet: 27.4.'10, 20:28 Hmm. Very strange. Our reseller just gave us the option to convert all of our X86 boxes that run Linux to a hardware-only support model. Seems like

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Marion Hakanson wrote: Unfortunately, the software-only Premium Support for OS's is of course no longer free like we were used to. I don't think Sun ever offered support for free, though a limited set of patches were made freely available for Solaris, most required a paid support contract.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Marion Hakanson
Marion Hakanson wrote: Unfortunately, the software-only Premium Support for OS's is of course no longer free like we were used to. alan.coopersm...@oracle.com said: I don't think Sun ever offered support for free, though a limited set of patches were made freely available for Solaris, most

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-27 Thread Charles Hedrick
). ~ Ken Mays --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com wrote: From: Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers To: matth...@pfuetzner.de Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, Charles Hedrick hedr

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Floyd
Why not use Open Solaris on your desktop? That's what I do... Ideally, I'd like both. At present, I have one machine with Solaris 10 only on it, and the other is multiboot with OSes that change fairly frequently (SXCE 127, FreeBSD 8, Fedora 11 and WXP). I'll probably go from SXCE to OSOL

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-26 Thread Robert Milkowski
I had a call from Oracle this morning and they wanted to answer some questions I raised to them recently. So I was told that you can install Solaris 10 and Open Solaris both on Sun and non-Sun hardware. Then you can buy a support both for Solaris 10 and Open Solaris in both cases (Sun and

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-26 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Why not use Open Solaris on your desktop? That's what I do... Ideally, I'd like both. At present, I have one machine with Solaris 10 only on it, and the other is multiboot with OSes that change fairly frequently (SXCE 127, FreeBSD 8, Fedora 11 and WXP). I'll probably go from SXCE to

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-26 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Bob Palowoda) wrote: What are you doing with these WorkStations or Desktops? Are there production services running on them, or are they development and desktop tools? Because: The Solaris 10 download includes a development and evaluation license. So, anyone running

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-26 Thread Charles Hedrick
This is getting absurd. Our local HP people checked back and still agree with the statement that wrigtim got about Oracle cancelling the HP contract. It's pretty clear that there are two different stories out there, both among people who should know. Any of you who are Oracle employees: your

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-26 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 26/04/2010 21:30, Charles Hedrick wrote: This is getting absurd. Our local HP people checked back and still agree with the statement that wrigtim got about Oracle cancelling the HP contract. It's pretty clear that there are two different stories out there, both among people who should know.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-26 Thread Marion Hakanson
mi...@task.gda.pl said: the guy from Oracle seemed to be confident and assured me that this is the case - both Open Solaris and Solaris 10 can be installed on non-Sun hardware and one can buy a support for them on such a hardware. Maybe the policy is different in Europe? Or it's changing

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-25 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Tim Wright) wrote: I'm confused - when was that QuickSpec doc published? Don't know, the doc itself says something like March, 19th... We had our account team in again a couple days ago, with the news (as of 2am that day) that... 1) Solaris would no longer be supported on G7 hardware

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-25 Thread Tim Wright
Hi Matthias, Thanks for the response - the info came directly from HP. I believe our senior management have been in discussion with some pretty senior Oracle folk, so hopefully we'll get a definitive statement soon. I'm still seeing a lack of concise/clear communication, let alone the FUD we

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-25 Thread Bob Palowoda
What are you doing with these WorkStations or Desktops? Are there production services running on them, or are they development and desktop tools? Because: The Solaris 10 download includes a development and evaluation license. So, anyone running Solaris 10 on laptops or desktops is

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 24/04/2010 17:07, Paul Floyd wrote: What are you doing with these WorkStations or Desktops? Are there production services running on them, or are they development and desktop tools? Because: The Solaris 10 download includes a development and evaluation license. So, anyone running Solaris

[osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-24 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hi, Because of all the FUD we had recently here I think it deserves to be a separate topic so more people will notice. http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13239_div/13239_div.pdf Certifying Oracle Solaris on ProLiant servers since 1996, *HP is expanding its relationship with

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-24 Thread Dennis Clarke
Hi, Because of all the FUD we had recently here I think it deserves to be a separate topic so more people will notice. I have a 24-core HP server on order, so no surprise to me at all. However, I will be testing/building OpenSolaris on it first. Then RHEL 5.5 and then Solaris and finally,

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-24 Thread Paul Floyd
Hi I don't see that will help me much with either of my HP workstations, or any of the presumably many people with HP desktops. A+ Paul -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-24 Thread Matthias Pfützner
What are you doing with these WorkStations or Desktops? Are there production services running on them, or are they development and desktop tools? Because: The Solaris 10 download includes a development and evaluation license. So, anyone running Solaris 10 on laptops or desktops is covered with

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-24 Thread Paul Floyd
What are you doing with these WorkStations or Desktops? Are there production services running on them, or are they development and desktop tools? Because: The Solaris 10 download includes a development and evaluation license. So, anyone running Solaris 10 on laptops or desktops is

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-24 Thread Roger Bisson
It would appear as if Oracle is happy to sub-license Solaris if it has the effect of off-loading Operating System support to the licensee. At the point that dialogue is re-established between the OGB and Oracle, it may be worthwhile discussing the establishment of a sub-licensee or an

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-24 Thread Karel Gardas
Hi, Because of all the FUD we had recently here I think it deserves to be a separate topic so more people will notice. I have a 24-core HP server on order, so no surprise to me at all. Perhaps a new DL385 G7? However, I will be testing/building OpenSolaris on it first. Then

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris on HP x86 servers

2010-04-24 Thread Tim Wright
I'm confused - when was that QuickSpec doc published? We had our account team in again a couple days ago, with the news (as of 2am that day) that... 1) Solaris would no longer be supported on G7 hardware onwards 2) HP have pulled their Solaris engineering team This adds to the previous news