[opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Hi all ! Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). The code exists (on packman sites - the only problem was patents, which is solved now). Aft

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 12 November 2006 13:47, Alexey Eremenko wrote: Its my understanding that the agreement was for enterprise only. of course I could be way off base, as sometimes I am known to be lol. I dont think we will ever see microsoft codecs as part

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Alexey Eremenko schrieb: > Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask > include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE > 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). The code > exists (on packman sites - the only problem was patents, whic

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:57, Andreas Hanke wrote: > That's why you won't get the codecs legally for free: Whoever licenses > them from MS has no other choice than charging for it, the lack of a > flat fee makes it impossible. I don't think this is true though, RealPlayer will include the code

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:47, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > Hi all ! > > Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask > include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE > 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). The code > exists (on packm

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Anders Johansson schrieb: > I don't think this is true though, RealPlayer will include the codecs in an > upcoming version, and from what I hear it will be distributed free-of-charge > just like before Yeah, that's because Real gets a flat fee for 0$ because of the lawsuit in Europe, but all oth

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Anders Johansson a écrit : On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:47, Alexey Eremenko wrote: Hi all ! Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). The co

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 2006-11-12 13:44, jdd wrote: > Anders Johansson a écrit : >> On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:47, Alexey Eremenko wrote: >>> Hi all ! >>> >>> Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask >>> include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE >>> 10.2 and f

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Darryl Gregorash a écrit : it's not even necessary to include it in the distrib, only being allowed to explain all the possible links officially on the wiki would be nice, but I fear this will not be possible You could always edit the wiki and see how long it lasts :-) can't, it's me who is

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

>> Hi all ! >> >> Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask >> include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE >> 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). The code >> exists (on packman sites - the only problem was patents, which is >

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 2006-11-12 14:47, jdd wrote: > Darryl Gregorash a écrit : > >>> it's not even necessary to include it in the distrib, only being >>> allowed to explain all the possible links officially on the wiki would >>> be nice, but I fear this will not be possible >> You could always edit the wiki and see

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Darryl Gregorash a écrit : On 2006-11-12 14:47, jdd wrote: Darryl Gregorash a écrit : it's not even necessary to include it in the distrib, only being allowed to explain all the possible links officially on the wiki would be nice, but I fear this will not be possible You could always edit th

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:47, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > Hi all ! > > Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask > include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE > 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). The code > exists (on packm

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:47, Alexey Eremenko wrote: Hi all ! Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). The

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

2006/11/13, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:47, Alexey Eremenko wrote:> Hi all !>> Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask> include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE > 10.2 and future SUSE versions...

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Basil Chupin wrote: > Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: >> On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:47, Alexey Eremenko wrote: >>> Hi all ! >>> >>> Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask >>> include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE >>> 10.2 and future SUS

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:55:17PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: > This link was posted in another forum: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061107194320461 As many people, Grocklaw is not pro-OSS or pro-Linux or pro-GPL. It is just Anti-Microsoft. Yes, there is a HUGE difference. The An

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Mon, 13 Nov 2006, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:55:17PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote: > > This link was posted in another forum: > > > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061107194320461 > > As many people, Grocklaw is not pro-OSS or pro-Linux or pro-GPL. It is > just

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:28:22PM +0100, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: > You can try to be as positive as you like about this "deal" houghi, > but in the end you know just as well as the rest that MS is not in > it to make nice with OSS "community" or anyone supporting OSS for > that matter, they're it

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 11/13/06, Theo v. Werkhoven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can try to be as positive as you like about this "deal" houghi,but in the end you know just as well as the rest that MS is not init to make nice with OSS "community" or anyone supporting OSS for that matter, they're it it to find some wa

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Nov 12, 06 20:47:43 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > Hi all ! > > Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask > include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE > 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). We cannot exploit the deal f

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 01:09, JJ Gitties wrote: > what you are seeing here is blind SUSE and Novell support. Blindly > supproting SUSE I can kind of understand. But blindly supporting Novell > corp I can't. I will assume that these people were not around or did not > bother to dig up all the d

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 11/14/06, Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am blindly waiting for you to go over to the Red Hat mailing lists and startscreaming about their contracts with IBM, who did far worse than anyone,including Microsoft, in their dayWhy would I do that. I don't use Red Hat. I really couldn't

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 19:35, JJ Gitties wrote: > I am not trying to shut down anyone. I am also in the "wait and see" camp. With your comments about lying to people you talk to, and general trollishness, you could have fooled me > I am however bitching about the decision. I guess somewhere

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

2006/11/14, JJ Gitties <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 11/14/06, Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am blindly waiting for you to go over to the Red Hat mailing lists and startscreaming about their contracts with IBM, who did far worse than anyone,including Microsoft, in their day Why would I d

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 11/14/06, Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 14 November 2006 19:35, JJ Gitties wrote:> I am not trying to shut down anyone. I am also in the "wait and see" camp.With your comments about lying to people you talk to, and general trollishness, you could have fooled meLets cla

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 2006-11-14 13:46, JJ Gitties wrote: > On 11/14/06, *Anders Johansson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 19:35, JJ Gitties wrote: > > I am not trying to shut down anyone. I am also in the "wait and > see" camp. > > With your co

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:57, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > Version 6.3 was my first, and no other distro has ever > graced my system. Hmmm, then it would seem your credentials are less than stellar as well. Why don't you get out a little more? To hear you talk there is only one true path.

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Tue, 14 Nov 2006, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:28:22PM +0100, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: > > You can try to be as positive as you like about this "deal" houghi, > > but in the end you know just as well as the rest that MS is not in > > it to make nice with OSS "community" or an

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:12:09PM +0100, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: > The "deal" itself is empty as far as I can see from the link below, > the OSS community as a whole doesn't gain anything from it, and > neither do SUSE users. The only ones that gain are the Novell > bank-acount and lawyers from M

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 11/14/06, Darryl Gregorash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just where have you been?Munich, 2003: http://news.com.com/2100-1016-1010740.htmlBergen, 2004: http://www.networktimes.co.za/news.asp?pklNewsID=15337&pklIssueID=433&pklCategoryID=309Dundee, 2004: http://www.novell.com/success/dundee.pdfCornwa

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 11/14/06, John Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was looking for a good distro when I found Suse, and good asSuse is, its not the ONLY one out there, and its not the only oneI use.damn right!! i run freebsd on an old laptop. i  run suse 8.2 on another old laptop. i also run mac osx on anoth

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 16:00, JJ Gitties wrote: > "*We* need to convince OpenSUSE to fork, or let 'em die. To bad, it is a > wonderful Distro. But their parent company is NOT our friend." Sad, but true. Isn't it interesting... that nobody ever talks about M$ forking ahah

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

JJ Gitties wrote: > You are such a door knob. > > Lets establish something. Germany is SUSE country. North America is > Microsoft country. I would say that North America is Novell country as > well if they have NetWare -- but thats gone. I don't know where you are > based, but where I am based,

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 2006-11-14 15:09, John Andersen wrote: > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:57, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > > >> Version 6.3 was my first, and no other distro has ever >> graced my system. >> > > Hmmm, then it would seem your credentials are less than stellar as well. > Put that remark ba

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 2006-11-14 15:44, JJ Gitties wrote: > On 11/14/06, *Darryl Gregorash* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Just where have you been? > > Munich, 2003: http://news.com.com/2100-1016-1010740.html > Bergen, 2004: > > http://www.networktimes.co.za/news.asp?pkl

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 11/14/06, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you for your opinion. it's not an opinion.it a fact based on my own personal observation. i really have not met anyone who deplyed SLES. up here Novell have these free seminars that IT guys go to because, well its free, the food is better than o

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 11/14/06, Darryl Gregorash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So please, name one that is equivalent to SuSE, and does things better.I would be interested in knowing exactly what feature of SUSE do you find that there is no equivalent or similar or even better corresponding feature that may be found in

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 21:16, JJ Gitties wrote: > I would be interested in knowing exactly what feature of SUSE do you find > that there is no equivalent or similar or even better corresponding feature > that may be found in other major distro's or products? Yast -- Kind regards, M H

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

M Harris wrote: On Tuesday 14 November 2006 21:16, JJ Gitties wrote: I would be interested in knowing exactly what feature of SUSE do you find that there is no equivalent or similar or even better corresponding feature that may be found in other major distro's or products? Yast I'm sorr

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 2006-11-14 21:10, JJ Gitties wrote: > > > dinky hosts that provide NTP, FTP and nagios I don't personally > consider major Linux deployments... but to each their own. Would you consider the Michigan State Police and Indiana Department of Education to be major deployments? -- --

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

JJ Gitties wrote: > On 11/14/06, *J Sloan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I introduced linux to this company back in the 1990s, as I set up > slackware, then redhat boxes, as secondary mail/dns, and also introduced > the big brother monitoring system on linu

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Nov 14, 2006, at 10:51 PM, J Sloan wrote: dinky hosts that provide NTP, FTP and nagios I don't personally consider major Linux deployments... but to each their own. Well, this is about as retarded a statement as I've seen on this list in years. I'll have you know that my company runs ou

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 16:23, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > So please, name one that is equivalent to SuSE, and does things better. I don't think one can point to any distro and say it does EVERYTHING better than any other. There are several based on Debian/Ubuntu that at this particular poin

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 22:18, Tony Alfrey wrote: > I'm sorry, but I've had more hassles with YAST than it's worth.  Before > there was YAST, there was rpm from a command line that seemed to work > with much greater ease and reliability.  Just my $.02. You've got to be kidding Yo

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On 2006-11-14 23:10, John Andersen wrote: > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 16:23, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > >> So please, name one that is equivalent to SuSE, and does things better. >> > > I don't think one can point to any distro and say it does EVERYTHING better > than any other. I just di

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Darryl Gregorash wrote: On 2006-11-14 23:10, John Andersen wrote: On Tuesday 14 November 2006 16:23, Darryl Gregorash wrote: So please, name one that is equivalent to SuSE, and does things better. I don't think one can point to any distro and say it does EVERYTHING better

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

Tony Alfrey wrote: > M Harris wrote: >> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 21:16, JJ Gitties wrote: >>> I would be interested in knowing exactly what feature of SUSE do you >>> find >>> that there is no equivalent or similar or even better corresponding >>> feature >>> that may be found in other major dis

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

James Knott wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: M Harris wrote: On Tuesday 14 November 2006 21:16, JJ Gitties wrote: I would be interested in knowing exactly what feature of SUSE do you find that there is no equivalent or similar or even better corresponding feature that may be found in other major dist

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Wednesday 15 November 2006 11:12, you wrote: > But if you are claiming that Yast is the be all and end all of linux mgtm > tools/features and no ther distro has anything that comes close -- No... its not the end all of linux mgmt tool/features... Yes... no other distro has anyth

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 07:01, houghi wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:28:22PM +0100, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: ... > > > I for one am not going to spend more money on Novell either, until I > > am very convinced that this really *is* a good deal for OSS and > > "freedom as in speech". > > Ei

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Wednesday 15 November 2006 10:10, JJ Gitties wrote: > On 11/14/06, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > > among them a major auto manufacturer, a shipping firm, banks and finance > > companies and web consultants, and I'm happy to report that I'm simply > > not seeing anything like the glo

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:52:21AM +0700, Matt T. wrote: > Now that says a lot about you. > > I put my money where my mouth is, and did buy the boxes (until now). Even if > I > had downloaded the software before. For me that is a question of respect. > Respect of the immense work these nice fol

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Wednesday 15 November 2006 01:58, John wrote: > Darryl Gregorash wrote: > > On 2006-11-14 23:10, John Andersen wrote: > >> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 16:23, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > >>> So please, name one that is equivalent to SuSE, and does things better. > >> > >> I don't think one can poin

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 16:11 -0600, M Harris wrote: > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 16:00, JJ Gitties wrote: > > "*We* need to convince OpenSUSE to fork, or let 'em die. To bad, it is a > > wonderful Distro. But their parent company is NOT our friend." > Sad, but true. > > Isn't it intere

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 22:01 -0600, M Harris wrote: > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 21:16, JJ Gitties wrote: > > I would be interested in knowing exactly what feature of SUSE do you find > > that there is no equivalent or similar or even better corresponding feature > > that may be found in other majo

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

On Saturday 18 November 2006 12:56, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 21:16, JJ Gitties wrote: > > > I would be interested in knowing exactly what feature of SUSE do you > > > find that there is no equivalent or similar or even better > > > corresponding feature that ma

Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

IMHO, Its not the installation part of yast that is so good, its all the other tasks it does, organized into one place. Ubuntu has a good installer. Heck, even Red Hat has a good installer. agreed. actually the Ubu installers kicks SUSE ass. But Yast used to have the all the tasks in one plac