[opensuse-factory] OOo, fonts, and PDF: bad character spacing (jn 10.0)

2006-05-29 Thread Ulrich Windl
Hi, FYI: I've just created bug #179549 about bad character specing in PDFs created with OOo in SuSE Linux 10.0. I had just discovered that yesterday. I found a similar bug, but couldn't find out what the original reporter actually complained about, so I started a new one (where I hope the

Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758

2006-05-29 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
I wonder if anyone has come up with any problems with houghi's workaround? Or any other workaroud? When ZMD has gone asleep: time rug sl Waking up ZMD...Done # | Status | Type | Name| URI

Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758

2006-05-29 Thread Andreas Jaeger
houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:05:18PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Edit /etc/zmd/zmd.conf and change the sleep-interval: [Server] sleep-interval=1800 Change 1800 to something larger... Is there a maximum? Are there disadvantages if you use an extreme large

[opensuse-factory] SUSE on Woodcrest processors

2006-05-29 Thread Rafa Grimán
Hi :) Does anybody know whether Intel's Woodcrest processors will be supported? It's a dual core Xeon processor. Would it be a x86-64? Any glitches, gotchas, advice regarding: kernel, glibc, gcc, ...? TIA Rafa -- 50% of all statistics are inaccurate. OpenWengo: rgriman

Re: [opensuse-factory] SUSE on Woodcrest processors

2006-05-29 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Mon, 29 May 2006, Rafa [iso-8859-15] Grimán wrote: Does anybody know whether Intel's Woodcrest processors will be supported? It's a dual core Xeon processor. Would it be a x86-64? Any glitches, gotchas, advice regarding: kernel, glibc, gcc, ...? I have some new Dell PE1850 with dual

Re: [opensuse-factory] SUSE on Woodcrest processors

2006-05-29 Thread Rafa Grimán
Hi :) El Lunes, 29 de Mayo de 2006 11:59, Eberhard Moenkeberg escribió: Hi, On Mon, 29 May 2006, Rafa [iso-8859-15] Grim�n wrote: Does anybody know whether Intel's Woodcrest processors will be supported? It's a dual core Xeon processor. Would it be a x86-64? Any glitches, gotchas,

[opensuse-factory] Re: VMWare and XEN

2006-05-29 Thread René Matthäi
Hi, On Wednesday 03 May 2006 19:31, Chad Groneman wrote: Has anybody been able to get this to work? I don't expect EMC will be making a version that will work with XEN kernels. Any news on this? I'd like to have VMWare work under my SUSE 10.1 Xen kernel. Why? Because I plan to run certain

SPAM: [opensuse-factory] Re: VMWare and XEN

2006-05-29 Thread cyberorg
You may be able to run windows under Xen. see http://en.opensuse.org/Xen_Full_Virtualization_Example -J - Hide quoted text - On 5/29/06, René Matthäi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? Because I plan to run certain standard web services under Xen, but use some Windows software under VMWare with

[opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Andreas Jaeger
As discussed last week, I wanted to continue the discussion about the package management changes - but not concentrating on the real bugs we're fixing now but on general issues: With SUSE Linux 10.1 we have redesigned the way we handle software. We are proud to be able to announce our new

[opensuse-factory] Re: [suse-sles-e] Re: [opensuse-factory] SUSE on Woodcrest processors

2006-05-29 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Mon, 29 May 2006, Rafa [utf-8] Grimán wrote: El Lunes, 29 de Mayo de 2006 11:59, Eberhard Moenkeberg escribió: On Mon, 29 May 2006, Rafa [iso-8859-15] Grim?n wrote: Does anybody know whether Intel's Woodcrest processors will be supported? It's a dual core Xeon processor. Would it be a

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Glenn Holmer
On Monday 29 May 2006 08:42, Andreas Jaeger wrote: As these changes are also impacting the user experience regarding package and patch management we'd very welcome to start a discussion thread whether and how we still can further improve the current toolchain. In a message on a different

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: VMWare and XEN

2006-05-29 Thread Thorolf Godawa
Hi, Any news on this? I'd like to have VMWare work under my SUSE 10.1 Xen kernel. I don't expect that it ever will run, because both need a modified kernel and direct hardware-access! Why? Because I plan to run certain standard web services under Xen, but use some Windows software under

Re: SPAM: [opensuse-factory] Re: VMWare and XEN

2006-05-29 Thread jdd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be able to run windows under Xen. see http://en.opensuse.org/Xen_Full_Virtualization_Example do you know is this work with any processor? I was said that this is impossible :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread jdd
Andreas Jaeger wrote: are proud to be able to announce our new software management giving the I hate 10.1 game occuring now on suse-linux-e, you have work ahead to convince some users :-( In fact we are now able to manage more than packages only. can we say that one of the results is to

Re: SPAM: [opensuse-factory] Re: VMWare and XEN

2006-05-29 Thread Joerg Mayer
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 04:34:49PM +0200, jdd wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be able to run windows under Xen. see http://en.opensuse.org/Xen_Full_Virtualization_Example do you know is this work with any processor? I was said that this is impossible :-) It will work with the

Re: SPAM: [opensuse-factory] Re: VMWare and XEN

2006-05-29 Thread jdd
Joerg Mayer wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 04:34:49PM +0200, jdd wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be able to run windows under Xen. see http://en.opensuse.org/Xen_Full_Virtualization_Example do you know is this work with any processor? I was said that this is impossible :-) It

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread houghi
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:03:03PM +0200, jdd wrote: may be better not advertise this before all the bugs are closed :-)) I disagree. Especially on this list we should look at the future. There are two processes. One is debugging or looking at the past. Another is features and looking at the

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread B . Weber
One question we have is how the new tools rug, zen-updater and zmd compare to what we had before with YaST Online Update and suseWatcher. We are interested in every feedback ranging from architecture, design or used standards and their enhancements. Going by

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Druid
Agreed with most of Benjamin. One thing Id like to say is that Im not expecting this design of now to continue in 10.2, as you will have time to work on it, no need for a hack-ish solution, which is agreed by most people Ive asked, non suse people, zmd people, ppl who work in yast, etc. Im

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Andreas Jaeger
houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:03:03PM +0200, jdd wrote: may be better not advertise this before all the bugs are closed :-)) I disagree. Especially on this list we should look at the future. There are two processes. One is debugging or looking at the past.

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Andreas Jaeger
houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] The most important thing for me at this moment would be that I can use YaST also to download packages I install and that it make an installation source I can use. Why would this be usefull for a single machine? I understand that somebody adminstrating

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Thomas Meindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Jaeger wrote: With SUSE Linux 10.1 we have redesigned the way we handle software. We are proud to be able to announce our new software management backend which is based on the so-called library libzypp and which also integrates Novell's

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Thomas Meindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Jaeger wrote: With SUSE Linux 10.1 we have redesigned the way we handle software. We are proud to be able to announce our new software management backend which is based on the so-called library libzypp and which also integrates Novell's

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread jdd
Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks Houghi - I agree with these points. We need to fix bugs and that's clear and discussed in far too many places - but we need to start thinking what can be done better for 10.2 and later. sorry, but I have to desagree. Your can't ask us to talk of a broken system

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread houghi
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 07:51:14PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: The most important thing for me at this moment would be that I can use YaST also to download packages I install and that it make an installation source I can use. Why would this be usefull for a single machine? I understand

Re: [opensuse-factory] Anybody still into SUPER?

2006-05-29 Thread houghi
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:05:19PM +0200, houghi wrote: Is there still movement with SLICK or SUPER. I don't see any recent progress and as far as I can see no 10.1 version. What I would be looking at is a file list for the 1 CD version and a *.sel file for 10.1 However if nobody is

Re: [opensuse-factory] How to make your own distro?

2006-05-29 Thread houghi
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:26:47PM +0200, houghi wrote: What files are to be edited or deleted so that it is clear that it is your own distribution based on the 3 or 5 CD set and no longer Novell's? Nobody? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett
On Monday 29 May 2006 15:57, Glenn Holmer wrote: shudder Get rid of Mono! Using a platform designed for cross-OS compatibility to write OS-specific system tools is madness in any case. zmd is not a required component. yast and zmd share the zypp resolver. Is true, if you want a cmd line client

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Tobias Burnus
Hello, Andreas Jaeger wrote: With SUSE Linux 10.1 we have redesigned the way we handle software. We are proud to be able to announce our new software management backend which is based on the so-called library libzypp and which also integrates Novell's ZENworks technology. Also we decided to

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Andreas Jaeger
jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks Houghi - I agree with these points. We need to fix bugs and that's clear and discussed in far too many places - but we need to start thinking what can be done better for 10.2 and later. sorry, but I have to desagree. Your can't

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread jdd
houghi wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 08:12:40PM +0200, jdd wrote: sorry, but I have to desagree. Your can't ask us to talk of a broken system we can't have used. Then please disagree in anothr thread. You will hold back development. why can't you ever see some others people can have a

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread jdd
sorry if I'm completely OT, but I used urpmi on an other distribution, but don't ever see it mentioned here. Is there a reason I missed? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net

[opensuse-factory] Thread-topics (was: Re: Package Management Design and Experience)

2006-05-29 Thread Rasmus Plewe
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 10:53:41PM +0200, jdd wrote: houghi wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 08:12:40PM +0200, jdd wrote: sorry, but I have to desagree. Your can't ask us to talk of a broken system we can't have used. Then please disagree in anothr thread. You will hold back development.

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread jdd
Andreas Jaeger wrote: I don't think we can ever end the discussion. I want to get some first comments back for our future development - and we'll keep on asking until the bugs are fixed and you can really use it... If I judge from your previous posts, the main part of the debugging is

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Martin Schlander
mandag 29 maj 2006 15:42 skrev Andreas Jaeger: One question we have is how the new tools rug, zen-updater and zmd compare to what we had before with YaST Online Update and suseWatcher. We are interested in every feedback ranging from architecture, design or used standards and their

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread houghi
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 02:05:24PM -0300, Druid wrote: Agreed with most of Benjamin. snip Is it me or is this message coming in several times? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Re: [opensuse-factory] Thread-topics

2006-05-29 Thread jdd
Rasmus Plewe wrote: And your different view is that your (generally correct) opinion about the current version belongs into a thread set up to discuss future versions? as I understood it we where said we are proud to announce... the new version and we want to discuss. so I understand we

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Bjørn Lie
man, 29,.05.2006 kl. 19.53 +0200, skrev Andreas Jaeger: Thomas Meindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip What I really, really need is the possibility that all downloaded packages can be stored in a local repository on my hd. That's for several reasons: Fristly, I like to have a backup -

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread B . Weber
Like I've mentioned before I think it's good to have Rug for Cli, Zen for Joe Six Pack and YaST for more advanced in depth packagemanagement. I won't comment on the backend setup - libzypp, zmd etc. - Update in YaST is a mess. I think there is a danger of thinking along the lines of

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 jdd wrote: sorry if I'm completely OT, but I used urpmi on an other distribution, but don't ever see it mentioned here. Is there a reason I missed? For geeko's sake, jdd, you've pretty much managed to kill it. It's at least the 3rd hijacking on

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread houghi
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:20:21PM +0200, jdd wrote: but if you want, we can forget the actual 10.1 tests and look only at what we need as a package manager... Thank you. bug solving belongs in another thread. snip stuff I agree with I think that in most situations the version info can be

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Druid
It's at least the 3rd hijacking on this single thread. I think the same applies to houghi's policy of posting like there was no tomorrow sigh marcio

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 houghi wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:20:21PM +0200, jdd wrote: but if you want, we can forget the actual 10.1 tests and look only at what we need as a package manager... Thank you. bug solving belongs in another thread. snip stuff I

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread houghi
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:27:40AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: Signing packages is not mandatory, nor is signing repositories. If you trust the packages and the repository (which is very likely with a copy of RPMs you grabbed from a repository on the internet.. you trust in the first place

Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience

2006-05-29 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
- Update in YaST is a mess. We have Online Update, Online Update configuration/Novell Customer Center configuration, Online Update Setup and System Update. Have this gone through usability tests? These items need to be reconsidered - and perhaps given more precise names . Especially