Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-18 Thread Paul Levy via OSList
o work. > > > > ho > > > > *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf > Of *Alan Halford via OSList > *Sent:* Saturday, August 17, 2019 5:09 AM > *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list > *Cc:* Alan Halford > *Subject

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-18 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
[mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Alan Halford via OSList Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 5:09 AM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Cc: Alan Halford Subject: Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-18 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
Dear Alan, its really a tough life. I enjoy your admonition. Looking at my practice in regard to reading, I see that I guide/misguide myself by accepting sources in various ways. For instance the local "Bild" newspaper is simply good at distracting me and I believe nothing they print,

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-18 Thread Alan Halford via OSList
Hi Michael Don’t believe everything you read in wikipedia! On 18 Aug 2019, at 5:56 pm, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList wrote: Dear Alan, meditate? Ok, I ain't trained. Missed it. Is it too late? Looking at meditation in wikipedia it tells me: "Meditation may be used with the aim of reducing

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-18 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
The last sentence in my email of just now was meant to say: "Hope you AND you all enjoy a lovely Sunday." mmp Am 18.08.2019 um 11:56 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz: Dear Alan, meditate? Ok, I ain't trained. Missed it. Is it too late? Looking at meditation in wikipedia it tells me: "Meditation

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-18 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
Dear Alan, meditate? Ok, I ain't trained. Missed it. Is it too late? Looking at meditation in wikipedia it tells me: "Meditation may be used with the aim of reducing stress, anxiety, depression, and pain, and increasing peace, perception,[7] self-concept, and well-being.[8][9][10][11]

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-17 Thread Alan Halford via OSList
I have a vague and distant memory of seeing/hearing HO saying or being quoted “ The only training you need for OST is to meditate” Not sure whether I imagined it, but it was a decisive reason for me to delve into the world of OST AND it’s still “Issue the invitation, sit in a circle, create an

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-16 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
It would not surprise me if Jesus had come to the conclusion that all organizations created by man are the work of the devil. That could then have held him back from founding an institute certifying his first followers. Greetings from Berlin where I mulled over all the certification

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-16 Thread Marai Kiele via OSList
Ooops - a handling mistake. Just delete this and the former empty message... > Am 16.08.2019 um 19:45 schrieb Marai Kiele via OSList > : > > > >> Am 14.08.2019 um 18:42 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList >> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>: >> >> Chris, thank you for your response.

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-16 Thread Marai Kiele via OSList
> Am 14.08.2019 um 18:42 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList > : > > Chris, thank you for your response. However, an Empire is defined as an > authoritarian organization of countries, or people, under single rule like > the Roman empire. The chuch's first rule of becoming certified as high

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-15 Thread Tonnie van der Zouwen via OSList
Open Space Technology email list Cc: David Osborne; Mark Carmel Subject: Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.   Great thoughtful post Mark. Thanks for stimulating my thinking, reflection and imagination.    David Sent from

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc. WHY JESUS SHOULD HAVE set certification criteria...

2019-08-15 Thread Ron Quartel via OSList
ark > Carmel via OSList > *Reply to: *World wide Open Space Technology email list < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > *Date: *Wednesday, 14 August 2019 at 18:21 > *To: *Chris Corrigan > *Cc: *Mark Carmel , World wide Open Space > Technology email list > *Subject:

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-15 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
dnesday, 14 August 2019 at 23:16 *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list *Cc: *Bhavesh Patel , Mark Carmel *Subject: *Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc. Hey Mark, If you have passion for that

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Carmel via OSList
Beautiful thoughts and logic Marai! Thanks for sharing! MC On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 12:24 PM Marai Kiele < genuine-cont...@joyful-together.com> wrote: > > Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to discover. > > > Which I neither believe nor agree to, Paul. > > If it only took one minute

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread R Chaffe via OSList
esday, August 14, 2019 2:46 PM > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > Cc: Michael Herman > Subject: Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this > conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc. > > Harrison, your likening OS to breathing is true enou

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread R Chaffe via OSList
Yes! Head and heart linked by a passion to serve. Regards Rob > On 15 Aug 2019, at 2:05 am, Chris Corrigan via OSList > wrote: > > You do realize that Jesus never certified practitioners of Christianity, > right? And that subsequent attempts to do so basically created a toxic > blending of

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread doug via OSList
Mark-- It has been my experience that people who want certification of anything are the ones who want to do the certifying. OST does have an organization. Several of them around the world. :- Doug. Germann On 8/14/19 11:39 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote: > Fascinating conversation. This is

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Bhavesh Patel via OSList
Hey Mark, If you have passion for that, and in your freedom you want to take responsibility for that, then please do what ever you feel called to do... and the results will speak for themselves. None of us can control the space for you. And one thing is for sure, we will learn from your

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
sday, August 14, 2019 12:33 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Cc: David Osborne; Mark Carmel Subject: Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc. Great thoughtful post Mark. Thanks for stimulating my thinking, re

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
This reminds me of something else, Marai, that might I left out of my previous response to Mark's question... What is an new, uncertified, would-be, wanna-be facilitator to do about cracking into this game? I would say they should do just what you have done here, Marai, to tell their own

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
> quietly open space wherever, whenever, however, about what ever… as often > as you can – Magic does seem to happen. And the truth is ( my truth) is > that anybody can do it. > > ho > > *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > ] *On Behalf Of *David Osbor

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Marai Kiele via OSList
> Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to discover. Which I neither believe nor agree to, Paul. If it only took one minute to explain, wouldn’t this whole list, all of Harrison’s books, thousands of peoples postings, conversations, training materials etc all be totally obsolete?

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread paul levy via OSList
I'd never certify OST. Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to discover. Best wishes, Paul Levy Paul Levy Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 17:05 Chris Corrigan via OSList, < oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > You do realize that

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
lto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > David Osborne via OSList > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:33 PM > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > Cc: David Osborne; Mark Carmel > Subject: Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this > c

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Osborne; Mark Carmel Subject: Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc. Great thoughtful post Mark. Thanks for stimulating my thinking, reflection and imagination. David Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:39 AM

[OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc. WHY JESUS SHOULD HAVE set certification criteria...

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Carmel via OSList
Chris Corrigan thank you . You just hit the nail on the head giving fodder the argument FOR certification. You're right Jesus did not certify practitioners. He left it to human nature. Then women were banned so the men could continue to control the women (and children). Jesus did set the Strategy

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Carmel via OSList
Chris, thank you for your response. However, an Empire is defined as an authoritarian organization of countries, or people, under single rule like the Roman empire. The chuch's first rule of becoming certified as high priest is that women are not allowed In. We see how that worked out... That is

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread David Osborne via OSList
Great thoughtful post Mark. Thanks for stimulating my thinking, reflection and imagination. David Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList > wrote: > > Fascinating conversation. This is exactly why we need a certification-like > program and an

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc. You do realize that Jesus never certified practitioners of Christianity, right? And that subsequent attempts to do so basically created a toxic blending of Church and Empire that contributed to mass amounts of suffering through

Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
You do realize that Jesus never certified practitioners of Christianity, right? And that subsequent attempts to do so basically created a toxic blending of Church and Empire that contributed to mass amounts of suffering through incredibly toxic and psychopathic uses of power and control for

[OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Carmel via OSList
Fascinating conversation. This is exactly why we need a certification-like program and an organizational structure for the future if we want to train people in the finer points of sustaining open space interventions over time as Chris has done. There is a lot more to it than just throwing out an