You do realize that Jesus never certified practitioners of Christianity, right?
And that subsequent attempts to do so basically created a toxic blending of
Church and Empire that contributed to mass amounts of suffering through
incredibly toxic and psychopathic uses of power and control for most
considering this
conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.
You do realize that Jesus never certified practitioners of Christianity, right?
And that subsequent attempts to do so basically created a toxic blending of
Church and Empire that contributed to mass amounts of suffering through
Great thoughtful post Mark. Thanks for stimulating my thinking, reflection and
imagination.
David
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> On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList
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> Fascinating conversation. This is exactly why we need a certification-like
> program and an organization
Chris, thank you for your response. However, an Empire is defined as an
authoritarian organization of countries, or people, under single rule like
the Roman empire. The chuch's first rule of becoming certified as high
priest is that women are not allowed In. We see how that worked out...
That is
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Great thoughtful post Mark. Thanks for stimulating my thinking, reflection and
imagination.
David
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On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:39 AM
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I'd never certify OST. Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to
discover.
Best wishes,
Paul Levy
Paul Levy
Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 17:05 Chris Corrigan via OSList, <
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> You do realize that Jesu
> Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to discover.
Which I neither believe nor agree to, Paul.
If it only took one minute to explain, wouldn’t this whole list, all of
Harrison’s books, thousands of peoples postings, conversations, training
materials etc all be totally obsolete?
Why
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This reminds me of something else, Marai, that might I left out of my
previous response to Mark's question...
What is an new, uncertified, would-be, wanna-be facilitator to do about
cracking into this game?
I would say they should do just what you have done here, Marai, to tell
their own story...
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Hey Mark,
If you have passion for that, and in your freedom you want to take
responsibility for that, then please do what ever you feel called to do...
and the results will speak for themselves. None of us can control the space
for you. And one thing is for sure, we will learn from your experiment
Mark--
It has been my experience that people who want certification of anything
are the ones who want to do the certifying.
OST does have an organization. Several of them around the world.
:- Doug. Germann
On 8/14/19 11:39 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
> Fascinating conversation. This is
Yes! Head and heart linked by a passion to serve.
Regards
Rob
> On 15 Aug 2019, at 2:05 am, Chris Corrigan via OSList
> wrote:
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> You do realize that Jesus never certified practitioners of Christianity,
> right? And that subsequent attempts to do so basically created a toxic
> blending of C
, August 14, 2019 2:46 PM
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> Harrison, your likening OS to breathing is true enou
Beautiful thoughts and logic Marai! Thanks for sharing!
MC
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 12:24 PM Marai Kiele <
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> Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to discover.
>
>
> Which I neither believe nor agree to, Paul.
>
> If it only took one minute to
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Hey Mark,
If you have passion for that, and
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Great thoughtful post Mark. Thanks for stimulating my thinking, reflection and
imagination.
David
Sent from
> Am 14.08.2019 um 18:42 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList
> :
>
> Chris, thank you for your response. However, an Empire is defined as an
> authoritarian organization of countries, or people, under single rule like
> the Roman empire. The chuch's first rule of becoming certified as high priest
Ooops - a handling mistake.
Just delete this and the former empty message...
> Am 16.08.2019 um 19:45 schrieb Marai Kiele via OSList
> :
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>
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>> Am 14.08.2019 um 18:42 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>>
>> Chris, thank you for your response. Howe
It would not surprise me if Jesus had come to the conclusion that all
organizations created by man are the work of the devil.
That could then have held him back from founding an institute certifying
his first followers.
Greetings from Berlin where I mulled over all the certification
organiza
I have a vague and distant memory of seeing/hearing HO saying or being quoted “
The only training you need for OST is to meditate”
Not sure whether I imagined it, but it was a decisive reason for me to delve
into the world of OST
AND it’s still
“Issue the invitation, sit in a circle, create an
Dear Alan,
meditate?
Ok, I ain't trained.
Missed it.
Is it too late?
Looking at meditation in wikipedia it tells me:
"Meditation may be used with the aim of reducing stress, anxiety,
depression, and pain, and increasing peace, perception,[7] self-concept,
and well-being.[8][9][10][11] Meditat
The last sentence in my email of just now was meant to say:
"Hope you AND you all enjoy a lovely Sunday."
mmp
Am 18.08.2019 um 11:56 schrieb Michael M Pannwitz:
Dear Alan,
meditate?
Ok, I ain't trained.
Missed it.
Is it too late?
Looking at meditation in wikipedia it tells me:
"Meditation may
Hi Michael
Don’t believe everything you read in wikipedia!
On 18 Aug 2019, at 5:56 pm, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
wrote:
Dear Alan,
meditate?
Ok, I ain't trained.
Missed it.
Is it too late?
Looking at meditation in wikipedia it tells me:
"Meditation may be used with the aim of reducing st
Dear Alan,
its really a tough life.
I enjoy your admonition.
Looking at my practice in regard to reading, I see that I guide/misguide
myself by accepting sources in various ways.
For instance the local "Bild" newspaper is simply good at distracting me
and I believe nothing they print, includin
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>
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> I have a vague and distant memory of seeing/hearing HO saying or being
> quoted “ The only training you need for OST is to meditate”
>
> Not sure whet
I have been part of the Agile movement from early on - 2002.
Agile felt different before and after certifications crept in. In
my opinion, Agile went in a direction different to what it started out from
and I wonder how much certification played into that.
I would rather OST remained without cert
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