Chris wrote:
Doesn't the Z-1p have a metal chassis and spot metering?
Yes it does. However, the cheesy outer plastic cover doesn't give that
metal or quality feel.
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Paul,
Thanks for the tips. I have been scanning quite a bit with mine
(using VueScan), and still find that the scans just don't have the
sharpness that my Minolta Scan Dual II film scanner has. Everything
is just a little soft. I am finding that some slides (unmounted) do
have some focus
Bruce wrote:
Why not just buy a Pentax Spotmeter to use with your favorite bodies?
I can see several reasons why not: the point of small Pentax bodies seems
quite pointless if you have to carry a rather bulky spotmeter as well; you
loose automatic functions while spot metering; no
Sylwester wrote:
Very interesting. Do you know any resources on the net that could confirm
this?
It's all in the patents, although you probably have to contact the patent
lawyers to know who licensed what from who. Unfortunately, the patents are
not available anymore without paying for
John Coyle wrote:
Since any difference is likely to come from inaccuracies in the sizing
of the film plane mask, I would expect them to be very small in any
case.
I've found a noticeable difference in frame size between the Mamiya
RB67 and the Pentax 6x7. The Pentax's frame is slightly
Hi again,
I joined the list almost 2 months ago with questions regarding my
inabilities to take good pictures with my PZ-1 and FA28-200 combo.
I have remained a silent member since then reading as many posts
as I can given the lack of time.
I realized some of my faults. Thanks to all those who
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Pål Audun Jensen wrote:
Doesn't the Z-1p have a metal chassis and spot metering?
Yes it does. However, the cheesy outer plastic cover doesn't give that
metal or quality feel.
True enough. I remember how surprised I was when you mentioned earlier
that it had a metal
Buy a Pentax Spotmeter V. You can usually pick one up for around $100
used.
Paul
Steve Pearson wrote:
Hi all-Sorry for the simiar post again.
I can't believe it-Pentax never made a metal body that
has spot metering? I think it really bites that I
have to spend $800 on an MZ-S?
Any
I shot a lot of photos for a poorly printed school newspaper when I was
a teacher some 25 years ago. I found that normal to slightly high
contrast prints that were slightly underexposed in the enlarger were
best. This prevented heavy blacks, which tended to block up, but
resulted in good overall
I was just looking over some of the latest changes to the Pentax site and noticed that
they had a page up just for the rear converters and I'm coming away with a big huh?
factor. I guess that I'm a bit stumped about why and why not and that probably
comes from me doing 35mm for so long, and
Brendan.If you run a cross a young director by the name of Adam Thompson,say
hi,hes my nephew.Apparntly he's doing very well so far.
Imentioned to him in December i have digital still equipment if..G
Dave
BTW Canoe account down,use this one.
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They say a change is as good as a rest.I'm sure you'l have some fun with
this one Shel.
Looking forward to some examples.
Dave Brooks
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Hi, Frantisek,
I have no personal experience with them, but I read somewhere that the
Yashica auxilliary lenses are not sharp at all, and not really usable by
any serious photographer for that reason.
regards,
frank
Frantisek Vlcek wrote:
Hi,
I remember there are several Yashica TLR
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I have put this screen up for sale on eBay
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Dan wrote:
My question is why is the 1.4x rear converter limited in application to
the 120/4mm,
200/4mm, 300mm and 600/5.6 lenses, while the 2x converter is listed as
working with
all 35mm to 600mm, as well as the 80mm-160mm zoom? I mean, is there
something about
those lenses that only they
It certainly does.
Len
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Subject: Re: Metal bodies w/ Spot Metering?
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Steve Pearson wrote:
I can't believe it-Pentax never made a metal
Some one from the list took a PZ1P apart one time and it does have a metal
body or at least a metal framing.
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Subject: Re: Metal bodies w/ Spot Metering?
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Steve
Chris wrote:
True enough. I remember how surprised I was when you mentioned earlier
that it had a metal chassis... I never suspected that.
The chassis can be seen when looking in near the lens mount where the DOF
lever is.
I've almost given
up hope that Pentax will come out with an AF
Steve wrote:
Why didn't they ever
make one? Just curious..
Because back in the metal camera days, spot metering wasn't that hot. Spot
metering didn't really become common until the plastic fantastic days.
Pål
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Alan wrote:
Interesting that you mentioned AF OM camera. I think it's back to mid-90's
Pop.Photo. said there might be an OM-5 which was an AF camera, but then
nothing Is there any reference to prove an AF OM camera ever exist?
Only camera magazine editors, but then I see no reason to
That's why I seldom shoot color film and stopped using XP2 Super - none of
the three different 'professional' and very expensive labs in Warsaw I
checked managed to keep my negatives scratch-and-fingerprints-free (but what
do you expect if they don't even use gloves to handle film and they eat
The in-body spot meters are 3 degree.
Almost small area rather than spot.
Then hand-held meter is 1 degree.
There's a vast improvement available with separates.
Collin
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there wasn't film in there or you've just ruined it.
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Must depend on which lens you're using. It's about 2.5% of the area on the
MZ-S, and together with eg. a 300 mm lens this gives slightly less than 1
degree spot area (if I did my calculus correctly...). /Erik
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Of course they had the OM-707 (US: OM 77?). /Erik
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Subject: Re: Pentax direction the last decade (WAS: OT: An interesting
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Alan wrote:
Outside of the US the A2e was sold as the EOS 5. The one
difference between them is that the 5 had a meter scale
in the viewfinder, rather then just the +/- indicators.
Camera stores sold quite a few grey market EOS 5's for
this reason.
Get
Hi Pat,
There is an address for the place. Check under contact us; also gives the
phone number (local) and fax number. A bit of research a la Network
Solutions told me who is the owner of the business (Brian ) and verified the
address of the business.
Downtown camera isn't stocking the Holga
Very nice, very nice. I guess the newspaper won't be dissapointed by your
work. Unless it was you who wrote 'love' on that wall ;)
ukasz
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I'm no expert and I don't even like these cameras (the few I handled,
including one in 'like new' condition, were very loud compared to my old
Roleiflex Automat - I'm not talking about the shutter but the film advance
and shutter cocking), but I guess by adding a lens to the one fixed on the
You can get an ergorest multitripod from www.speedgraphic.co.uk (under
products, clamps/supports) for £69 in the UK.
Can be used as a table or ground level tripod, chest support, car
support, or as a repro stand when clamped to a table.
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On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:46 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
How do the photos compare? Are there any other noteworthy differences?
Can the Pentax do synch flash at the speeds of the 'blad lens? Are
there other features of the 'blad itself that might make it more useful
to someone, and
Hi Rob ...
That's an item which is available here, too. It's quite large and
cumbersome compared to the c-clamp, and, of course, quite a bit more
expensive. Did you notice the pocket clamp description above the
Ergorest? ... to fix your camera to posts, trees, car
windows ... I bet that's
Has anyone tried this binocular camera?
At least in Germany, it deems to be on the market now:
http://www.foto.pentax.de/produkte/produkt_beschreibung/pro010888.lhtml
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Shel,
I've got one almost exactly like this. Mine is orange, and the camera
mount is on a small ball head. I've used it quite a bit, and it's earned a
permanant place in my bag.
Bogen also makes a clamp, but theirs is made of plastic, and the ball
head is extra money. I have the basic
Has anyone tried this binocular camera?
At least in Germany, it seems to be on the market now:
http://www.foto.pentax.de/produkte/produkt_beschreibung/pro010888.lhtml
Knut
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After the recent Plus-X tumult, which, incidentally, found it's way to
Kodak, Kodak has updated the information about its BW films. You can
find current information at the URL below. Perhaps Kodak got the
information properly sorted out now, and eliminated the ambiguities.
There is a pdf link at the bottom of the page, you can see it there...
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Subject: Re: Tripod Alternative
Hi Rob ...
That's an item which is available here, too.
oops, I just looked at your picture. Look at the pdf for
clamps/supports and you will see hama and cullman do something more like
this. Also, manfrotto do a car window mount.
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Sent: 05 April 2002 16:42
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Subject: RE: Tripod
I've always found that the ME-II winder makes my Super Programs about 287% easier to
hold. But I've never been fond of the winder's tripod hold, which is way off-center.
It failed to steady the camera adequately, and it hurt when the camera bounced against
my chest. So I relucantly removed the
Has anyone tried this binocular camera?
At least in Germany, it seems to be on the market now:
http://www.foto.pentax.de/produkte/produkt_beschreibung/pro010888.lhtml
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Thanks. That's a neat little item, too.
Rob Brigham wrote:
There is a pdf link at the bottom of the page, you can see it there...
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William Kane wrote:
Shel,
I've got one almost exactly like this. Mine is orange, and the camera
mount is on a small ball head. I've used it quite a bit, and it's earned a
permanant place in my bag.
Bogen also makes a clamp, but theirs is made of
Greetings -
After bargaining with the spousal unit regarding the acquisition of the new
Pentax PF-100ED Spotting Scope, I am forced to part with some of my existing
Pentax gear. Thought I would offer them up here prior to EBay:
* PZ-1p body (bought new several months ago, 10 rolls of film
Shel wrote:
Can the Pentax do synch flash at the speeds of the 'blad lens?
If the 'Blad lens is leaf-shutter, then no. Perhaps it has
a bit faster sync w/ focal plane - don't know fer sure
Are there other features of the 'blad itself that might make it
more useful to
Shel et al,
Here's a digi-pic of my clamp-pod. The only writing on it is Heiland.
I managed to get it off of ebay about 3 or 4 years ago and have yet to see
anything like it.
What I think makes this whole thing so special, is that there is a double
ball joint on it. For an idea of the
I recognized the same one week ago after the first roll in my new MZ-3.
The negatives are 2 mm larger in both directons compared with my LX.
Regards
Bernd
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I hate to be so negative, but this morning I learned that Rolleiflex TLR
negatives are larger than Hasselblad
That looks quite a bit bigger than mine, but also a little more
substantial. I found a couple of similar options, although the material
they're made from is, at this point, unknown. Coming from Hama and DLC
(?) I'd guess they're plastic.
http://www.dotlinecorp.com/dl_cat_D/-D02b_tablepods.html
We now have from stock new LX nicad packs,
LX Soft cases,
Grip B and Grip A,
bucket loads of sync caps, finder caps, soft releases, etc.
TTL Distributors
4P Multi-Sync Leads
Good stocks of SC69/SE60/SG60 screens
We appear to have a surplus of SG20 (new) grid screens so these are now on
offer at
Since I have your attention...
No messages since yesterday, still subscribed... ?
Cesar
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Another clever set up is a pair of vise-grip pliers, whereby the
vice-grip has a (I think 8/32- 2) screw welded to it near the gripping
end. Easy to mount a ball head or camera. Somebody on Ebay sells a
standard, replacement adjustment screw for the vice grips, with the
proper size of threaded
I forgot...when you use the modified vice-grip, you should sleeve the
jaws with about 3 of surgical tubing on each jaw. This allows use on
car windows, and other fragile mounting opportunities. Regards, Geoff
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Bogen makes clamp parts you can piece together to mount a head on. They can be easily
modified for clamping to poles or railings, etc., flat or round.
Regards,
Bob...
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20+ years ago I found this neat little accessory that can often take the
place of a
It looks interesting. It should produce good 4x6 prints. It might make a
nice piece of equipment for a private detective to use in divorce cases. I
wonder what it will sell for if it is sold in the USA.
Len
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Wow, I've just spent some ttime looking at some great pictures from Alexey
Tikhonov.
To keep it on topic it seems he uses Pentax
Enjoy...
http://www.photocritique.net/g/shl?zz1-p05083351
Regards
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Shel Belinkoff wrote:
essentially a small c-clamp with an adjustable head attached to it
I've made a numer of clamp mounts, and if I can find one when I get
home I'll post a picture. The one that most resembles the one you
posted was made like this...
I took a small C-clamp and drilled a hole
On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 08:04 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
After the recent Plus-X tumult, which, incidentally, found it's way to
Kodak, Kodak has updated the information about its BW films. You can
find current information at the URL below. Perhaps Kodak got the
information properly
Thanks, Shel.
That page exactly matches Kodak's printed brochure
that I picked up Midwest the other day.
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/blackWhiteIndex.jhtml
Kodak's chosen shots do a good job of showing
something of the character of each film. They look
better on
I'd like to think you were being creative g. I like your idea.
BTW, I've been meaning to drop you a note to tell you what a great job
you did with your LEGO project ... and the story and photos about
Precious really touched me deeply.
Amy Hughes wrote:
I took a small C-clamp and drilled a
HAR! Bill.
I find it interesting, how many out there just got to have this feature or
that feature. You know, it seems to have gotten to the point where the
druggies won't even steal your camera if it doesn't have the right
features. But then, my mother was like that about kitchen stoves.
Ciao,
With 3 small children, that does sound like the voice of reason and
experience of life. At times, I find I am a little deaf to it, particularly
in close proximity to a camera shop.
Malcolm
Pay the bills. Especially credit card bills. Paying off a credit card is
The gift that keeps on
This popped into my mailbox this morning:
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Let me introduce myself. I am Richard T Ritter and worked at Zone VI
Studios for 15 years under Fred Picker. At Zone VI I was responsible for
the design and development of many of the products Fred thought would be
an improvement to the fine art
Isis - what a lovely looking cat!
Malcolm
I've submitted a cat picture to www.photocritique.net.
Id you want to look at the pic its is:
http://www.photocritique.net/g/s?00kgvn
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If you buy a brand new 50mm F1.2 A series lens, there is only one of the
cheap push-on rear caps included. How very unpleasant. I suppose I should add
that I will replace it with the appropriate Rear Lens Cap K.
Kind regards from sunny Brighton
Peter
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I shoot quite a bit of T-Max 400 in the 6x7, rating it at 200 and
underdeveloping it a bit. I haven't had any trouble with the transport
mechanism. However, I've only shot around 100 rolls total with this
camera, perhaps 15 of the TMY. TMY does dry exceedingly flat, flatter
than any other I've
How do you know that. I could find no information about available formats.
If you just went by the pictures there is no more sheet film at all. I don't
believe that. The say T-Max glass plates are still available, I would think
that sheet film would also. This new site needs is pretty. I will
I'm sorry to report Fred Picker died on April 4, 2002.
That is incredibly sad.
-Aaron
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Shel wrote:
Can the Pentax do synch flash at the speeds of the 'blad lens?
It can with the 165/4 LS lens or the 90/2.8 LS. The 90 is discontinued,
but widely available used. The 165 is not a full leaf shutter lens, but
it does offer the high speed synch and an iris shutter. I've found it
Humm I can't find anything about what formats the film are available in.
Fancier website, less content, what else could you expect.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
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On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Pål Audun Jensen wrote:
Chris wrote:
I've almost given
up hope that Pentax will come out with an AF camera that I like (they're
all way too noisy, and I'm not happy with the controls), but an LX with
spot metering... ah, there's something to dream about.
The MZ-S is
Afterwhich (new word, add it to your dictionary), you get to stay there for
the rest of your life screwing things up. Unless you are very smart, then
you get yourself demoted with a nice pay increase and live happily ever
after.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
Sooo sweet!
nice pic, Albano
annsan
lover of cats
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Shel,
I've got a pair of vise-grip pliers with a #20 screw welded on it in two
places.
With that and a small ball head, I have a tripod always.
On the way home from San Diego this Xmas, I mistakenly left it in my carry on.
I had to return to the front counter and box it up. The airlines gave
It can with the 165/4 LS lens or the 90/2.8 LS. The 90 is discontinued,
but widely available used. The 165 is not a full leaf shutter lens, but
it does offer the high speed synch and an iris shutter. I've found it
How or why is it not a full leaf shutter lens?
works very well. And since my
On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 01:39 PM, T Rittenhouse wrote:
How do you know that. I could find no information about available
formats.
If you just went by the pictures there is no more sheet film at all. I
don't
believe that. The say T-Max glass plates are still available, I would
On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 12:46 PM, T Rittenhouse wrote:
You know, it seems to have gotten to the point where the
druggies won't even steal your camera if it doesn't have the right
features. But then, my mother was like that about kitchen stoves.
I think that is an absolutely perfect
You cruel, cruel man!
ukasz
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If you buy a brand new 50mm F1.2 A series lens, there is only one of the
cheap push-on rear caps included. How very unpleasant. I suppose I should
add
Somehow Pentax replaced the good old rear caps with cheap ugly push-on caps
in mid-90's. I was surprised to find that out when I purchased the
Then, the front lens element was indeed not as clear. I cleaned
it with some lens cleaning fluid/paper and it improved the
results, though the lens is not 100% clean even now. I wonder,
why I see mist or spots on the inside glass surface. I doubt it
is fungus but what do I know? In any case its
Regarding the use of T-Max in the 6x7, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I shoot quite a bit of T-Max 400 in the 6x7, rating it at 200 and
underdeveloping it a bit. I haven't had any trouble with the transport
mechanism. However, I've only shot around 100 rolls total with this
camera, perhaps 15 of the
Why can't I open these pages? AOL says it cannot find them.
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In a message dated 05/04/02 21:15:39 GMT Daylight Time,
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If you buy a brand new 50mm F1.2 A series lens, there is only one of the
cheap push-on rear caps included. How very unpleasant. I suppose I should
add
Somehow Pentax replaced the good old rear caps with
Since Pentax (and most other manufacturers) want to ensure the best image, sometimes
they'll say certain lens and accessory combinations are not recommended, as the
results won't be up to their standards, although the pieces may fit together. For
instance, they won't recommend stacking
Man, what a bummer!
Aaron hates me.
Kodak hates me.
Cubs lost yesterday.
What am I doing wrong?
(After all I do shoot Pentax!)
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/blackWhiteIndex.jhtml
Plus-X
I had an MZ-5 for three months, and traded it in for an MZ-5n the week after I read
about the new model, as I found the lack of AE lock and depth of field preview very
inconvenient. The auto-bracketing, though, was not that important. Also, the details
on the MZ-5n give it a more 'quality'
An indication that your pictures are underexposed is when your blacks look dark gray,
instead of rich black. Sometimes it's a good idea to set your meter a little lower
(125 or 160 for 200 film, for example) to ensure sufficient exposure. You also might
want to check your meter against the
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 01:09:18PM -0800, Pat White wrote:
An indication that your pictures are underexposed is when your blacks
look dark gray, instead of rich black.
Isn't that over-exposure instead of under ? (when blacks look gray that
is).
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On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 03:44 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Man, what a bummer!
Aaron hates me.
Kodak hates me.
Think of how I feel...I have a couple of customers who eat the stuff.
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My PZ-1 produces 24.5 x 36 mm negatives.
Frits Wüthrich
Hans-Bernhard wrote:
I recognized the same one week ago after the first roll in my new MZ-3.
The negatives are 2 mm larger in both directons compared with my LX.
Regards
Bernd
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I hate to be so negative, but
Nitin,
It depends on whether you have positive or negative film. If you
underexposed negative film, the darks/blacks will go gray and the
picture will seem a bit washed out looking. Just the opposite of
shooting slide. So the rule of thumb is slightly underexpose slides,
slightly overexpose
In a slide you would be right, but for prints, Pat was correct. When
the whole neg is underexposed, the lab will make the print lighter to
try to keep some detail, which makes the blacks grey.
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ah yes indeed :) Looks like i have been shooting slides for too long now :)
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 01:43:39PM -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote:
Nitin,
It depends on whether you have positive or negative film. If you
underexposed negative film, the darks/blacks will go gray and the
picture will
In a message dated 4/5/2002 2:46:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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Also, on the Boz's web site, he lists the ZX 5N
as available in all black. I could not find the ZX-L
on his sight, so I'm not sure if this is available in
black-does anyone know? I have yet to see one
Hey gang,
I finally have my setup put together for my new 500/4.5. I'm using
it on my LX with FB-1 and FC-1 action finder. I've put a bogen pistol
grip 3265 on a Velbon VS-3's legs. I may need something (like a bag of
beans) to steady the legs.
Pics are available at
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
And, for even better results when metering in the direction of the
light source, you can attach a hood to the meter. BTW, I understand
that the meter is calibrated to be accurate within 1/6 stop.
I've thought about adding a hood to my digital spot. How easy is it
to
Bruce Dayton wrote:
OK, now that the 300/4 came in last night and I have mounted that on
the 67II - the rig looks big! Sure to scare away anyone intending to
do bodily harm. It still balances very nicely though.
Which 300/4 is it? The ED/IF one or the older one?
Cheers,
- Dave
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Has anyone else ever seen/used one of these?
Admittedly it has its limitations, but for such a small item it's
certainly handy.
Manfrotto a few products.
Manfrotto #135, Bogen #2900 Super Clamp
Manfrotto #296, Bogen #3287 Photo Clamp
Manfrotto #349, Bogen #3424
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Limiteds, of course, come with the real McCoy. Just another reason to
pick one up :))
http://members/aol.com/shatcho/31mm.jpg
That should be members.aol.com
I am going to cut up my credit card before I visit you.
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