Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Peter Alling
The word computer used to describe a person, one who computed. Mostly creating endless tables of numbers for various uses so that others didn't have to do the time consuming work, well for lots of reasons. It sounds like mindless soul destroying drudgery to me. But then so much of life used to

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread jcoyle
Isn't zero simply one point in a series of values where values one side of it are arbitrarily ascribed 'minus' values, and those the other side 'plus' values? And is it not the case that until mathematicians were able to conceive of and use zero as a valid value, that most maths didn't work? Pi

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Rapp
Obviously, you have never had to deal with imaginary numbers. Bob - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the most universal and mathematical number is '0'. Why that is, I don't know, but why should a number that supposedly has quantitative value represent

Re: Sheesh!

2002-12-30 Thread Peter Alling
We don't laugh at Newton in spite of Einstein later work. Newtonian physics more than adequately describes the world we live in day to day, you can bet your life on it. At 06:57 PM 12/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: We could go back even further - was it Francis Bacon or Rene Descartes that was the

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Peter Alling
It works pretty much the way ttl metering works without flash. Segmented metering will do some kind of magic based on a proprietary algorithm to properly expose what it thinks is important. Cameras like the LX with only center weighted metering simply quench the flash when they average 18%

Re[2]: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Saturday, December 28, 2002, 10:59:48 PM, you wrote: I'm talking about square images, not the role of the square in composition... Square images are rare. not as rare as you make out. I've already stated that over 57% of the Christmas cards I've received this year are square images. I

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Dr E D F Williams
All dogs have four legs. All cows have four legs,. Therefore for all dogs are cows. Or tables, or chairs, or giraffes. Is a dog with three legs a dog? --- Mr Blakely, How can you connect (1) below, with (2)? By what logic? (1) All mathematics is counting

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Rapp
Well stated! Also, the eye is trained or brainwashed from an early age. Some of us have been trained to read from left to right, for others, the opposite is true. In the case of a portrait, do our eyes prefer the subject looking to our right? Which side of the photograph should the

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
To know about numbers is mathematics. In an earlier post you wrote about languages (with reference to Hayakawa). Try to think mathematics as a language - a system of description. Objects exist whether there are Bobs to describe them - and have attributes. Your beloved snowflake is there (or is

Vs: Aesthetics and clear thinking

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
You are in good company: what you are saying about concept is what Aristotle said 2000 years ago - but those years have passed and current thinking is different. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä:

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Nonsense - yes, but on whose side? You are constantly saying that numbers are found in nature. So what number do you find in nature instead of pi? You are mixing things up: at first you talked about numbers, now you talk about constants. Nobody here is doubting the existence of constants. All

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
I do not know who you are but it is obvious that you do not know very much about the philosophy of science. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Cotty
Think of it like this. Your flash has only one brightness level, not like a three way lamp in your house. It always puts out light at the same rate. TTL simply controls how long the lamp stays on. If the object is close by, the lamp is shut off quickly thru the marvels of electronics. The

Re: Re: Recommendations?

2002-12-30 Thread David Brooks
Paul. http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ There is a link for shops in the USA and Canada Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/

Re: RE: An old lampoon

2002-12-30 Thread David Brooks
Knock Knock.Who's there Land Shark :) Begin Original Message From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:45:57 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: An old lampoon -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Har!! A culturally

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread T Rittenhouse
Zero is not a number, it is a place holder. Funny thing is that without it mathematics is very difficult. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 11:58 PM Subject:

Is this proper fill flash method

2002-12-30 Thread David Brooks
Hi all. Still stymied on this a bit. I now have the Super Program and AF280T flash combo .Prior to buying this equipment when i did winners pictures at a horse show,the rider and horse either faced the sun and squinted or i turned them a bit and the face is a bit dark. If i but the flash in any

Re: Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread David Brooks
Humm. Thanks Cotty.I think you may have answered part of my fill flash question i just asked on the list.(not all but partG) BTW is that picture from the D60? Dave Begin Original Message From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only thing I would add to Bob's explanation is that some flash

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Dr E D F Williams
In some parts of the world, we have recently been told, the act of taking a photograph of a person (with a Pentax camera?) removes a part of his or her 'soul'. One must assume, using the same logic, that this 'part' is somehow incorporated into the photographic image. Ah! Now I realise why I have

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
Math and numbers are a precise language used to describe nature and ideas. It is no accident that those trained in the biological sciences are arguing here with those trained in modern physics (most of engineering). The biological sciences are not worked out far enough to be precisely

E-bay language:))

2002-12-30 Thread Artur Ledchowski
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Re: LX Winder... yea or nay?

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
Anton Browne wrote: I have recently acquired some LX winders for a good price that I may keep or sell on. I have never used winders before and I'm in two minds, they are lovely gadgets for sure and a convenience on some occasions. They make the LX look a tad SERIOUS however and draw

OT: Ping, and a fit of mild pique

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Walkden
It's a ping because I've received nothing from the list for over 24 hours. I see from the archive that the list is up, so I can see from the (non-)appearance of this message if I'm still subscribed. It's a fit of mild pique because I see from the list that the usual herd of yahoos has decided to

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
Cotty, Good addition. I think this is how anybody doing Matrix Metered TTL flash must operate. What is amazing is the time scales here. 1/10,000's of a second look like minutes to the electronics. So they light the scene, take a meter reading, evaluate it, and then set the appropriate power

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think of it like this. Your flash has only one brightness level, not like a three way lamp in your house. It always puts out light at the same rate. TTL simply controls how long the lamp stays on. If the object is close by, the lamp is shut off quickly thru the

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Lawrence Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Herb Chong wrote: So what I'm wondering is, how does TTL flash work without the flash having any information about the distance to the objects being illuminated? it does on an AF body. the camera knows how far away it focused on

FONG: AF outfit

2002-12-30 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Subject: FS Pentax 645nII AF Outfit Date: 30 Dec 2002 04:02:35 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tims8256) Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace Pentax 645n II mint condition, includes 120 and 220 insert, 75mm 2.8N AF lens and 150N 2.8 AF lens with hood. All in mint condition with boxes, caps,

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another brand of camera who shall remain nameless puts 2 flashes together, one after the other in rapid succession. Here's what happens: the shutter button is pressed, the mirror swings up, flash one fires, a TTL reading is taken of the scene So a TTL reading

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which oneis best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I'm not wishy-washy, Ken. I have a 6X7, and would never switch. I just recognize that others might have different tastes and say fine, let them go their own way instead of bidding up the prices on 6X7 lenses even more! Ken Archer wrote: And to quote Charlie Brown, I'll fight for my right to

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which oneisbest?)

2002-12-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Now those are fighting words Mike Johnston wrote: Dan, you liberal!

Re: OT: This weekend has been a load of Crap

2002-12-30 Thread Steve Desjardins
Once I rented 1984 and The Killing Fields for a depressing evening. It worked fine. Thank God I had lots of beer ;-) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sheesh!

2002-12-30 Thread Keith Whaley
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Re: Sex sells photo equipment

2002-12-30 Thread gfen
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1947152026category=15247 Unforunatly, the images are gone.. what WERE they? -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com-

Vs: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Except if it reads OTF - which I find more probable. MZ-S has black shutter curtains which is not good for any light measurement. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vs: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
The MZ-S manual is a bit unclear about this but the sensors are all facing the film - TTL flash is difficult to realise without OTF. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Correct. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 15:23 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
That was just the point some people are trying to make: numbers exist in nature. Nobody has doubted that numbers and fomulas are extremely useful in describing natural phenomena. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Doug Franklin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:14:16 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: David Hume to the white courtesy telephone, please! David Hume could out consume Schopenhauer and Hegel, but Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just a sloshed as Schlegel. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Add II

2002-12-30 Thread Christian Skofteland
On Monday 30 December 2002 09:34, gfen wrote: On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, tom wrote: (do you think this is what happens when furries get married?) (what's a furry? you ask? don't find out, I respond) Is it furries or plushies? I always get confused over that Christian

Re: E-bay language:))

2002-12-30 Thread Cotty
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Fill flash with SF1 or similar cameras...

2002-12-30 Thread Albano Garcia
I readed the manual in the pentax site, but it's not very clear. I want to know the following: With the camera in aperture priority mode, if I use the rtf flash, it will calculate the amount of flash automatically (it's TTL flash) or TTL flash just work in program mode? I saw one here really cheap

Re: opto 430

2002-12-30 Thread gfen
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Mark Roberts wrote: So what kind of pills *are* you supposed to be on? Hey, I resemble that remark! ;) (and can you get some for me?) That'd be one way to fund additional lenses! -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye.

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Steve Desjardins
Hume is famous for a reason. (My own view, however, is probably more in line with Kant's reply to Hume.) But this also fits well with the modern scientific approach to human understanding. By this I mean that what we think is a product of the brain which is a physical object that works by some

Re: Add II

2002-12-30 Thread gfen
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Christian Skofteland wrote: Is it furries or plushies? I always get confused over that Furries dress up as animals and pretend they are, plushies just do unmentionable acts with stuffed animals. And, now that its a family list, I'll stop giving ideas to the

RE: Add II

2002-12-30 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Monday 30 December 2002 09:34, gfen wrote: On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, tom wrote: (do you think this is what happens when furries get married?) (what's a furry? you ask? don't find out, I respond) Is

Place your bets (second try)

2002-12-30 Thread gfen
I sent this before, and it didn't seem to make it, so I'm going to try again (I _think_ I've noticed new posts of mine not showing up before, but I'm unsure) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=30075item=1947153933rd=1 Well, its either an A150/3.5 or an A120/4 macro or

Vs: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Seems to me that you know what you are talking about. The Pythagoreans did not think it irrelevant whether or not numbers exist in nature - but that is not now considered scientific - now it is called magic. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at

Re: opto 430

2002-12-30 Thread gfen
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Rick Diaz wrote: Maybe this will help diagnose some of your USB problems. I suggest going to a site http://www.usbman.com and check out if her machine falls under one of the so needed USB driver BIOS update. I am aware I'll check into it, thanks fo rthe tip. I started to

Re: De Gustibus

2002-12-30 Thread Steve Desjardins
You know, it would be interesting if we could give everyone on this list who wishes to participate a short assignment I used to give my photo students: find a photograph (yours or someone else's) you think is wholly admirable or successful or good or however you wish to phrase it, and write a

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Cotty
What is amazing is the time scales here. 1/10,000's of a second look like minutes to the electronics. So they light the scene, take a meter reading, evaluate it, and then set the appropriate power output. All in the twinkle of an eye. Hi Bob. Yah. It's serious stuff, isn't it! Aside from

Re: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Cotty
So a TTL reading is taken while the mirror is up? I assume then that we're talking about a camera that does off-the-film metering. I'm concerned with how TTL flash metering works in my PZ-1p and MZ-S, neither of which do OTF metering or a pre-shutter-firing test flash (I believe this is P-TTL with

Cheap way into rangefinders

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
If you want to try your hand at rangefinder photography, here is my trusty Canonet G III for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=30027item=1948267251rd=1 The kit comes with all necessary accessories. Bought myself a Voigtländer Bessa-R - need space. All the best! Raimo

Vs: Current Cameras with TTL Flash Metering?

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
The high-speed flashes actually give a series of flash pulses that cover the shutter travel time. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: Pentax List [EMAIL

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Blakely
Well, ok, but since thoughts of a possible ET arose in the mind of man mathematics has been described by scientists and science fiction writers alike as the only universal language with which we might begin communication. The contact plate placed aboard the voyager spacecraft attests to this. Now,

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
My suspicion is that how things are done is dependent on the specifics of where one works and the type of client. This is due in large part to the apprentice system in getting into professional photography. The NYC studio school may well be different than where you are. The shoots I have been

Re: OT: Tripod recommendations please

2002-12-30 Thread Cotty
Update. Manfrotto 190 PRO black (89GBP) and 308RC pro ball head (44.95) ordered from a very pleasant chap at Camerworld, Oxford St, London. SRS was cheapest at 85 but no stock. My local shop had no stock and wanted 95 and 49, respectively. In this day and age, having the stock is everything.

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
The shooters we use are freelancers contracted by the agency. But you're correct in that equipment varies depending on the type of client. The shoots I'm speaking of are all automotive where a horizontal format is desirable. I've found that equipment doesn't really vary much by locale, since most

Re: Fill flash with SF1 or similar cameras...

2002-12-30 Thread David Brooks
Hi Albano. I did a roll of 12 last year of a new born foal using the rtf flash only.If i remember correctly,it works as TTL in any of the program modes. (Is ugly isn't it) Dave Begin Original Message From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:29:56 -0800 (PST) To:

Re: Re: Is this proper fill flash method

2002-12-30 Thread David Brooks
Thanks Bob. 1:1 might be to much.I have just been surfing the net on this and i read that you can change the ASA setting on the back of the flash to fool it.So if i wanted to cut the flash down a bit(as the 280t does not have a thyristor)with ASA 100 in the camera,set flash at 200 or 400 and

HELP / OPPORTUNITY / 6x7 users

2002-12-30 Thread Mike Johnston
Okay, Gang, I need you to step up here--I need a favor-- My column in the March issue of the English _Black White Photography_ magazine is about 6x7, and the editor wants a nice picture taken with a Pentax 6x7 to go with William Robb's picture of the camera. Any proposals? I need an interesting

RE: Cheap way into rangefinders

2002-12-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Raimo, Love to hear how you like the Voigtlander - I've waffled on it for the past 2 years - what lenses did you/are you thinking of getting ? Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:51:59 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Blakely
From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [nonsense skipped] --- Mr Blakely, How can you connect (1) below, with (2)? By what logic? (1) All mathematics is counting - (2) things exist or they do not. Binary mathematics. These two statements are not

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Steve Larson
Well said Bob. I can`t think of any other universal language that Homo Sapien and/or alien could speak. Math is it. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: Re:

Pentax releases Espio with 24-105mm lens

2002-12-30 Thread Heiko Hamann
Interesting zoom range for a compact camera: http://www.pentax.com/news/news_display.cfm?pressid=137 Regards, Heiko

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Blakely
From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not know who you are but it is obvious that you do not know very much about the philosophy of science. I'm Robert C Blakely, BSM, BSE, MSE Actually, it's clear that you do not recognize the classical philosophies of math and physics. These same

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Blakely
It was Einstein. He continued, I do not know if mathematics is the language of the universe. He was referring to classical thought regarding mathematics as essentially the language of God in which the Universe was written. Regards, Bob

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Rfsindg
Don, Then your arguement is a philosophical one, like If a tree falls in the forest does it make any noise? Nature does have rules and order and symetry, but mathematics is irrelevant until we try to explain this to others? (And if I still remember correctly, Maxwell's equations don't have

24mm, 28mm, and 24-50mm priced to Sell

2002-12-30 Thread Lindamood, Mark
SMC-K 24mm with hard case - $200. exceptionally excellent SMC-F 24-50mm with box - $165. excellent SMC-FA 28mm with box - $75. sluggish getting to f-22. Who needs f22 at 28mm, anyway? $75!! Nutty, huh?

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
The answer here isn't a matter of right or wrong. This difference of opinion merely reflects two different ways of looking at the world. Mathematics is only a language that describes the universe. But it was the nature of the universe that gave birth to the language. The language and the universe

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread John Whicker
- Original Message - From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Numbers and the Golden Section Nope. Its absolutely clear what I mean. There is nothing philosophical about it. I hold that Mathematics is an

Re: Pentax releases Espio with 24-105mm lens

2002-12-30 Thread John Whicker
- Original Message - From: Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Pentax releases Espio with 24-105mm lens Interesting zoom range for a compact camera: http://www.pentax.com/news/news_display.cfm?pressid=137 Hi Heiko,

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Brad Dobo
Raimo, I like your response, I was a little agitated and shot off, my apologies. You have demonstrated your qualities. As for all this talk. I'm getting tired of it. Anyone else? We all hold our views, many of which cannot be proved or disproved. I'm looking forward to a return to boing old

Best results photographing art

2002-12-30 Thread Rodelion
Goodday y'all, Currently I try to convert some of my girlfriend's paintings and drawings to useable 35mm negatives, and as a test I put about 10 different pictures of her (size A1) on the wall with gum, using the following setup: A Mecablitz Z-2 on a tripod, linked to my camera through a

New 67 lens?

2002-12-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
Steve Rasmussen, who is a regular contributor on PhotoNet's Pentax 67 discussion group, thinks that Pentax may soon be offering a 35-60mm rectilinear zoom for the 67. His conjecture is based on the fact that 67 lens offerings have seemed to follow the pattern of the 645 releases. He thinks the

Re: Aethetics and clear thinking

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
Brad wrote: Thanks Pal! Too bad you are not in possession of the facts. Ho ho. I don't want to bother the list with boring and irrelevant facts. You ignore a lack of evidence, and you don't know the first thing about the geophsyics involved. Huh? Bad luck with that one. I have PhD in

Re: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
Mike wrote: What I said is that mathematics is a human invention. Of course it is. But does it matter as long as it describe real things? Graphic relationships in an image can easily be described by mathematics. Pål

Re: Best results photographing art

2002-12-30 Thread gfen
FWIW: I've seen (well, read) about using a polarizer on your lens and a polarizer on your lights to cross polarize the lighting.. Supposedly this takes care of any glare.. I, however, have no clue beyond that. -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye.

Re: Rules of composition? Bah!

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
Mike wrote: There is not even one single definable compositional rule that either a) always results in a successful photograph or b) cannot be directly violated in a successful photograph. Not _one_. Furthermore, there is almost no case in which one successful photograph cannot closely

Re: New 67 lens?

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
Paul wrote: Steve Rasmussen, who is a regular contributor on PhotoNet's Pentax 67 discussion group, thinks that Pentax may soon be offering a 35-60mm rectilinear zoom for the 67. His conjecture is based on the fact that 67 lens offerings have seemed to follow the pattern of the 645 releases.

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread John Whicker
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?) I argued that the square format has no advantage when it comes to cropping than, say, the

Re: A versus M 35/2.8

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
Andre wrote: You probably mix this lens with the A28/2.8. The M or A 35/2.8 lenses are both superb. Well, mine certainly isn't. It is prettey pedestrian; about what should be expected from a zoom these days. Pål

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: I doubt it. 6x6cm will remain the medium format of choice for the foreseeable future for those who shoot film for a living, and 6x4.5cm will remain the first choice of 35mm amateur users trading up. 6x7cm will remain the preserve of those of either persuasion who wish to

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
John wrote: But one thing is clear. Only an amateur would obsess about wasting a centimetre! Whether one should worry about it not is another discussion. It is still a waste. The day you waste similar % of space on an expensive commodity like a digital sensor, then such excess will be

Re[2]: Rules of composition? Bah!

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Monday, December 30, 2002, 7:46:30 PM, you wrote: Mike wrote: There is not even one single definable compositional rule that either a) always results in a successful photograph or b) cannot be directly violated in a successful photograph. Not _one_. Furthermore, there is almost no case

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bt. Sorry.. no washer dryer for you Pal ;-) Many on the Blad list (HUG) feel that the 6x4.5 is a good idea but far from what Hasselblad is aiming for with respect to film formats. It adds autofocus to a smaller rectangular format and is aimed mainly at Wedding photographers - those who use

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
A good suggestion. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 20:26 Aihe: Re: Numbers and the Golden

Vs: Best results photographing art

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
It was a long time ago I had to reproduce a painting but then I used my LX and 4/100 macro and light from windows facing north - no flash - and a polariser and I remember having to cover some windows and try different positions of the polariser to avoid reflections. Exposures were quite long,

Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
Here we go again - another Pythagorean. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: John Whicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 20:22 Aihe: Re:

Re: Re[2]: Rules of composition? Bah!

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
Bob wrote: Rules of composition are rules of thumb, that's all. Knowledge of them, whether you follow them or not, will improve your chances of making a successful photograph, other things being equal. The divine proportion is at least as useful as 'fill the frame' in this respect. This is

Re: Vs: Numbers and the Golden Section

2002-12-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again - another Pythagorean. Hmm, I would have said Platonist. -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: John Whicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002 20:22 Aihe: Re: Numbers and

Vs: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Raimo Korhonen
The 24x36 format usually wastes at least 11% of the area. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 30. joulukuuta 2002

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
David wrote: Many on the Blad list (HUG) feel that the 6x4.5 is a good idea but far from what Hasselblad is aiming for with respect to film formats. It adds autofocus to a smaller rectangular format and is aimed mainly at Wedding photographers - those who use 6x4.5 the most. Not all

Re: New 67 lens?

2002-12-30 Thread Pål Jensen
I wrote: If thats all thats behind it, I'll say he is on thin ice. Theres always the possibility that this is a way to give confidential information in the form of speculation. On the other hand, I believe Pentax is more likely to kill the 67 format or let it die a quiet death. Pål

Re: A versus M 35/2.8

2002-12-30 Thread Andre Langevin
Andre wrote: You probably mix this lens with the A28/2.8. The M or A 35/2.8 lenses are both superb. Well, mine certainly isn't. It is prettey pedestrian; about what should be expected from a zoom these days. Pål Pal, as you are the first one, to my knowledge, to have a so-so 35/2.8

Portraits with the 400-600mm??

2002-12-30 Thread Andre Langevin
Since I never take portraits, except for the occasional one at 400-600mm... -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com You mean the Pentax Mirror Zoom 400-600mm? Portraits of donuts? Andre --

Re: Vs: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread Keith Whaley
A 'format' wastes nothing at all. It's the photographer that either uses the space efficiently, filling it up to the borders, or he composes something that has to be trimmed and cropped. It's hardly wasted, any more than all the others of the 'wasted' mentality propose... It's all a specious

Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?)

2002-12-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original Message: - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:29:19 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 6x6 - Waste of Space? (WAS: Re: Medium Format-Which one is best?) That has really not much to do with it. The new Hasselblad is not a 6X6 camera

Re: Is this proper fill flash method

2002-12-30 Thread Pat White
I agree with Bruce's recommendation, but would suggest more or less flash depending on the ambient light. That is, 1:1 or so in bright sunshine, but -1 or -1.5 stops in overcast conditions. That way, the flash will be just fill, not primary light source. Keep in mind that in very sunny

RE: New 67 lens?

2002-12-30 Thread Malcolm Smith
Pål Jensen wrote: Theres always the possibility that this is a way to give confidential information in the form of speculation. On the other hand, I believe Pentax is more likely to kill the 67 format or let it die a quiet death. Pentax, as a commercial company, will be producing equipment

Re: Best results photographing art

2002-12-30 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
For even illumination with elimination of shadows and glare use a white tent for diffusion. You'll want several lights outside the tent so to get enough light. A tent can be cheap -- just use a big white sheet. Build a frame from something like yardsticks or long dowels. Put a suitable

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