Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-23 Thread Peter Alling
Actually it'S the chemical action that's still there but not the light, (or other radiation?) on the paper At 09:42 PM 6/18/03 -0400, you wrote: Well, definitions evolve, especially with changes of technology. All you have to do is take out the word "chemical". That's it... Now you have an ima

Re: That AGFA competition

2003-06-23 Thread Feroze Kistan
try www.agfa.com under Pro Photo & Labs Feroze - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:06 AM Subject: That AGFA competition > Would someone send me the link or info? > >

RE: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-23 Thread Paul Ewins
EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition) Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, species. For Virginia opossum: Kingdom: Animalia, Phylum: Chordata, (sub-phylum: Vertebrata), Class: Mamalia, Order: Marsupalia, Family: Didelphidae, Genus: Didelphis, species: virginiana.

Re: That AGFA competition

2003-06-22 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Only witless reparte is appropriate for this subject here. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would someone send me the link or info? I've been barely able to even skim pdml for about a month .. sorry if you guys were expecting more witty reparte on language usuage! annsan

That AGFA competition

2003-06-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Would someone send me the link or info? I've been barely able to even skim pdml for about a month .. sorry if you guys were expecting more witty reparte on language usuage! annsan

Re: Agfa competition

2003-06-21 Thread Caveman
Such a brilliant scholar should then have heard of an institution named The Library Of Congress, which, amongst other things, is in the business of organizing and maintaining a huge collection of graphic materials. They have to classify even such arcane things as kallitypes, megalethoscope prin

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-21 Thread Steve Desjardins
"All I know about opossums is that they're ugly son of a bitches and they're good to eat." The correct plural is "sons of bitches". I team teach a course with a colleague of mine, and I always remind students of this before they fill out the course evaluations. 8^) Steven Desjardins Departmen

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-21 Thread Lon Williamson
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition) STOP PLATE TECTONICS! Back in 1970, I had a geology professor who, at that time, was not convinced of plate tectonics.

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Steve Larson
2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition) > STOP PLATE TECTONICS! > > > > Back in 1970, I had a geology professor who, at that time, was not convinced > > of plate tectonics. >

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Steve Larson
. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:36 AM Subject: Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition) > There are several in South America, which at one p

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was:Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Butch Black
Try telling that to a photography collector. Maybe he will give you thousands of dollars for a tear sheet from an old life magazine. Ciao, Graywolf No. But in 50 years some photography collector may give a thousand dollars for an archival ink jet print from a collectable photographer BUTCH Each

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
All I know about opossums is that they're ugly son of a bitches and they're good to eat. Paul Keith Whaley wrote: > > Are the 'possums I see in my backyard, here in So. Calif., also Virginia 'possums? > > No, seriously! > > Christian wrote: > > > [. . .] > > > To be clear: Virginia opossum (Di

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was:Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Bob Blakely
HEY! It's dark up here! What the hell's that smell?! Oh...warm and cozy... Regards, Bob... --- "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, > > Friday, June

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was:Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Friday, June 20, 2003, 10:16:42 PM, you wrote: > Maybe it's time to get our heads out of the sand. I don't think that's where his head is... -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-20 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Friday, June 20, 2003, 9:47:07 AM, you wrote: > Image. is root. includes 3D things. > Print. instance of image. includes photographs and all categories of > images printed on a surface through various methods as typography etc. > Photograph. instance of print. a print obtained through opto-c

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Anthony Farr
I've seen pictures of opossums, and they look different enough to Aussie possums to have prompted my original question regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Don't hold to that belief too strongly, Christian. > Most of the time, back when w

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Keith Whaley
Don't hold to that belief too strongly, Christian. Most of the time, back when writers respected English language roots, they spelled opossum like 'possum, because the "o" was dropped in speech. That's called an 'aphesis.' Look it up. Both are the same creature. Some folks spell him differently

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
STOP PLATE TECTONICS! > Back in 1970, I had a geology professor who, at that time, was not convinced > of plate tectonics.

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Andre Langevin
In other words, Plate Tectonics is science. Genesis is a chapter in a very silly story-book. I'm not going to go on with this. Don Genesis, I'd rather say, is myth of origin in a very popular moralistic book. Science has its own myth of origin, the Big Bang, constantly evolving though... which

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Bill Owens
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition) > Oh for goodness sake! There is good solid evidence in support of plate > tectonics. The edges of the plates we can get at have the same rock > formation, minerals and fossils as

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was:Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Jostein
ED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:14 AM Subject: Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was:Re: Agfa Competition) > I will see you your two cents, and raise you a penny. > > Actually, when you get right down to it an inkjet print is in no way >

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Dr E D F Williams
- From: "T Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition) > Actually, the theory I like is: The earth was once a moon of Jupiter that > got hit by a giant nickel iron meteor whic

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread T Rittenhouse
gevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition) > >Yep. Didelphis virginiana (Virginia opossum). note that it is opossum with > >an "o" unlike the Aussie possum (no "

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Bill Owens
> I met only one person who did not believe in plate tectonics. I > don't think it is a question of "believing". It is simply the best > theory available, as with Bering Straight migration as the main > source of migrants. As an inside, there was an Argentinian > paleontologist who said he could

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Bill Owens
There are several in South America, which at one point, was > attached to Australia and floating free in the Pacific ocean until they > separated and S. America joined N. America via Central America. IIRC that woud have been Gondwanaland (sp). I knew studying geology would be helpful sometime

Re: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Andre Langevin
Yep. Didelphis virginiana (Virginia opossum). note that it is opossum with an "o" unlike the Aussie possum (no "o"). The Virginia opossum is a true marsupial with a well developed pouch. It is the only North American marsupial. There are several in South America, which at one point, was attach

RE: (o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread jerome
> The Virginia opossum is a true > marsupial with a well developed pouch. It is the only > North American marsupial. There are several in South > America, which at one point, was attached to Australia > and floating free in the Pacific ocean until they > separated and S. America joined N. Ame

(o)possums (was: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-20 Thread Christian Skofteland
- Original Message - From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > BTW are American opossums marsupials? The possums of Oceania definitely > are. > > regards, > Anthony Farr Yep. Didelphis virginiana (Virginia opossum). note that it is opossum with an "o" unlike the Aussie possum (no "o"

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-20 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Why not call it "caveman"? Caveman wrote: > An inkjet print is as much a photograph as it is a piece of junk. If you > accept you can call it anything, why not call it junk or c**p or toilet > paper.

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Anthony Farr
09.htm regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Bob Rapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 20 June 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Agfa Competition > > - Original Message - > From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Bob Rapp
- Original Message - From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > BTW are American opossums marsupials? The possums of Oceania definitely > are. > If you think marsupials are animals that have pouches and live in Australia, you're wrong. Some species do not have pouches, and some live in S

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Anthony Farr
To get back to photography, there's a shot I took of a marsupial on this page: http://www.amonline.net.au/thylacine/09.htm regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > They ARE mammals because (snip)

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Anthony Farr
They ARE mammals because they give birth to live offspring which are suckled on their mothers' milk. Marsupials is an order of Mammalia just the same as ungulates is an order that includes horses and giraffes, and primates is an order that includes chimpanzees and humans. Don't ask me about monot

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Anthony Farr
AFAIK museums and art galleries gave up trying to nail down a definition of a photograph. To photographic images they append the captions "Type C print", "Dye Transfer print", "Gelatin Silver Print" (or "Silver Bromide print"), "Bromoil print", "Palladium print", "Platinum print", "Screen print",

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Caveman
tom wrote: As always. Ok, so let me get this straight, Sure. I said "as always". This means half serious, half kidding. I even put a smiley somewhere in the message. - Inkjet prints are no better than toilet paper. Said inkjet prints are as much photographs as toilet paper. If you accept to call

RE: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jun 2003 at 22:48, tom wrote: > Ok, so let me get this straight, > > - Inkjet prints are no better than toilet paper. > - Photographers who use digital cameras are liars and pretenders. > - Photographers who use digital cameras are cheap and have no balls. > > Is that about it? Anything to

RE: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread tom
> -Original Message- > From: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > As always. It's as much photography as is putting your a** > on a scanner > and printing the resulting file. Ok, so let me get this straight, - Inkjet prints are no better than toilet paper. - Photographers who use dig

Re: digital printout (was: RE: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jun 2003 at 20:58, mishka wrote: > i just photocopied a few digital images from a cd -- they look nothing like > series of 1 and 0. all i got was one big black disk with a hole inside. weird... Try sticking it to your ear, it was probably a music cd :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Te

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Cotty
>Kripes, I don't know! I just read Bob's posts about Pre-Hegelian Post- >Modernist >Deconstructionalist Marxist Thesis/Synthesis Dialectic Platonic Cave Shadow >Wave-Particle Dualism in Light Theory. > >My head's swimming. Did I make a good point or something? ROTFL I'm still recovering from: "

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread frank theriault
A light bulb, whether on or off, is in no way an image. Not even a really poor image. It just ain't. It's just a light bulb. To say otherwise is reduction to the point of absurdity. As for the rest of your post, are you trying to make a point? If so, make it, and I'll respond to it. But this

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Cotty
>Unless you want to get again in the toilet paper discussion, you can use >"photograph" and "inkjet print" according to their dictionary sense. I >promise I won't confuse them. And, if I do, you can always refer me to >the dictionary. It's much simpler than a long winded philosophical >discussi

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Nick Zentena
On June 19, 2003 05:12 pm, frank theriault wrote: > Of course not! Simple photo-electric cells don't record images, do they? But it's about producing an image not recording one. It's not a very realistic image but it's an image. Now replace the single bulb and sensor with a bunch of lit

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Andre Langevin
I see no problem with calling an inkjet print an inkjet print. What objective argument exists for having to call it otherwise. caveman It still is a photograph, presented in the form of an inkjet print. Andre --

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Christian Skofteland
marsupials are an order of mammals: marsupalia christian Hey! I got to use my biology degree! On Thursday 19 June 2003 17:49, Bill Owens wrote: > But kangaroos and opossums are not mammals, but marsupials :-) > > Bill > > > It's you who is mangling the language, by trying to co-opt the generic >

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Bill Owens
But kangaroos and opossums are not mammals, but marsupials :-) Bill > It's you who is mangling the language, by trying to co-opt the generic > term so that it can only be used for one specific type. Claiming that > slides are not photographs, for example, is simply ludicrous. It's > like saying y

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was:Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Cotty
>From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >Hmmm Can any digital print be called a "Photograph"? Perhaps a >"Digital >> >Image" would be more appropriate! >> >> Oxford Pocket says: >> >> Photograph: >> Picture taken by means of a chemical action of light on sensitive film. >My Oxford American Dic

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Cotty, Kripes, I don't know! I just read Bob's posts about Pre-Hegelian Post-Modernist Deconstructionalist Marxist Thesis/Synthesis Dialectic Platonic Cave Shadow Wave-Particle Dualism in Light Theory. My head's swimming. Did I make a good point or something? -knarf/frank Cotty wrote: >

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Caveman
Bob Walkden wrote: Bob Walkden wrote: what do you do when different dictionaries give mutually-incompatible definitions of the same word? You take the one from the dictionary that's accepted as *the* reference. But could you please give some examples. In this very thread you have cited one that

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Thursday, June 19, 2003, 8:40:23 PM, you wrote: > Bob Walkden wrote: >> Not so. You bandy the word photograph about just as much as the rest >> of us, without specifying which type of photograph you mean. > When people want to use "photograph" for "inkjet prints". Then you have > to invent

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread frank theriault
Of course not! Simple photo-electric cells don't record images, do they? I was replying to a post of Ken's, in which the definition of photography that he proferred, was: "Photography : the art or process > of producing images on a sensitized surface (as a film) > by the action of radiant energy

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Feroze Kistan
It certainly seems to be able to sustain you!! Feroze - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition) > If there had been enough people

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Caveman
Lukasz Kacperczyk wrote: When people want to use "photograph" for "inkjet prints". So for you a photograph is a wet print and nothing else? For me a photograph is what the dictionary says it is. That's the only sane way to decide what a word means. That's pretty limiting. A photograph is (and a

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
> When people want to use "photograph" for "inkjet prints". So for you a photograph is a wet print and nothing else? That's pretty limiting. A photograph is (and always was) a general term 0 that's why you have a "wet print" or "inkjet print" that further explain the technique used to produce a pa

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Caveman
Bob Walkden wrote: Not so. You bandy the word photograph about just as much as the rest of us, without specifying which type of photograph you mean. When people want to use "photograph" for "inkjet prints". Then you have to invent a new term for "photograph" as to differentiate it from "inkjet p

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Hmm. Must be one of those English vs. American language things. I'll bet if you both look you'll find that the English one says 'tomato' and the American one says 'tomato'. The English 'potato', the Yankee 'potato'. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursda

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Łukasz Kacperczyk
> A? Jokes are a little hard to explain. Especially so when you delete the > first part. You think? ;-) Sorry - rough day today. Regards, Łukasz

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Thursday, June 19, 2003, 4:53:03 PM, you wrote: > A photograph is an image produced by reflected light off of some object > focused through a lens onto a light sensitive material. the important aspect to stress is that it is the action of light that directly causes the medium itself to captu

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread T Rittenhouse
03 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Agfa Competition > > Or, if they don't, why > > should we listen to liars anyway. a > > little tinsey winsey bit of seriousness in what I said>. > > Why "liars"? > > £ukasz >

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VanTil rocks! :) Collin ** Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:52:01 +0100 From: Bob Walkden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can do you a nice price on a 12-week correspondence course from the Bart Sontag Academy of Deconstruc

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread T Rittenhouse
My Oxford American Dictionary says, "a picture formed by means of the chemical action of light or other radiation on a light-sensitive surface". That is a verbatim quote. It says nothing about film, nor about the need for chemical processing. And the conversion of light to electrons is indeed a ch

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread T Rittenhouse
A photograph is an image produced by reflected light off of some object focused through a lens onto a light sensitive material. As such a digital image produced in such a manner is indeed a photograph. There have been many different media used to make photographs over the years, digital is just an

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Thursday, June 19, 2003, 2:16:52 PM, you wrote: > Bob W wrote: >>On cave 'logic', if a slide is a slide and therefore not a photograph, >>and an inkjet print is an inkjet print and therefore not a >>photograph, presumably a silver halide print is a silver halide print, >>and therefore not a

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Cotty
>Oxford (or any other dictionary) "defines" a word based on it's common >usage(s) >at the time the dictionary was published. Definitions change over time. >Whenever a new Oxford edition comes out, there are news stories of "new" words >that are added. > >Any bets that in upcoming editions (and it

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Cotty
Bob W wrote: >On cave 'logic', if a slide is a slide and therefore not a photograph, >and an inkjet print is an inkjet print and therefore not a >photograph, presumably a silver halide print is a silver halide print, >and therefore not a photograph, a daguerrotype is a daguerrotype and >therefore

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Nick Zentena
On June 19, 2003 05:24 am, Bob Walkden wrote: > > Besides, 'darkrooms' are only dark for the brief moment while you load > the film in the tank. Otherwise they are lit normally or by a > safelight and the light of the enlarger. Only if you're using a daylight tank for film and doing B&W

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Nick Zentena
On June 19, 2003 07:39 am, frank theriault wrote: > AND, that definition would include digital photography as well. The > words "sensitized surface (as a film)" clearly mean "sensitized surface > including but not limited to film". I think a digital sensor would fall > into that category.

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread frank theriault
AND, that definition would include digital photography as well. The words "sensitized surface (as a film)" clearly mean "sensitized surface including but not limited to film". I think a digital sensor would fall into that category. -frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Per Merriam-Webster - Photog

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Keith Whaley
frank theriault wrote: > > Oxford (or any other dictionary) "defines" a word based on it's common usage(s) > at the time the dictionary was published. Definitions change over time. > Whenever a new Oxford edition comes out, there are news stories of "new" words > that are added. Yes, and time

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread kwaller
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:09:12 -0400, Caveman wrote: Per Merriam-Webster - Photography : the art or process of producing images on a sensitized surface (as a film) by the action of radiant energy and especially light. It would appear that Webster believes a slide is a photograph. > > Butch Black wro

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread frank theriault
Oxford (or any other dictionary) "defines" a word based on it's common usage(s) at the time the dictionary was published. Definitions change over time. Whenever a new Oxford edition comes out, there are news stories of "new" words that are added. Any bets that in upcoming editions (and it may tak

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Keith Whaley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If there had been enough people on the list, to create viable sub lists, it would > have split long ago over: MF/35mm, SM/KM, AF/MF. I mean, how many little pubs do you > think this rag tag group can sustain? I dunno, but let's all repair to the local pub and find

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Blivit4
If there had been enough people on the list, to create viable sub lists, it would have split long ago over: MF/35mm, SM/KM, AF/MF. I mean, how many little pubs do you think this rag tag group can sustain? BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>It does make me wonder, however, when 1/2 of this list is u

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread mike wilson
Hi, Bob Walkden wrote: > there is no such thing as a photograph Isn't that what Barthes says? > unless we count the platonic > shadows of reality dancing on the cave walls, and the language of the cave > has no concept of the general, only the specific. Oh. Yes. 8-) m

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-19 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
t's the image that matters? And, as I understand, the rules of the Agfa competition talk about the basic medium being analogue (i.e. film). The output they're being sent doesn't matter, as long as the original can be printed on their multicontrast paper. So i guess they also would a

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Łukasz Kacperczyk
> Or, if they don't, why > should we listen to liars anyway. little tinsey winsey bit of seriousness in what I said>. Why "liars"? Łukasz

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
> HOWEVER if we ignore this as spiltting hairs and stick with the Oxford > definition, and a digital image on an inkjet print therefore cannot be > called a 'photograph', then what of an inkjet print made from a scan of a > 35mm negative - still inkjet but now called a photograph? And that's what

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
> They're nothing but despicable pretenders. ? Why use so harsh words? > They print a file from their > digicam and they call that "photography". It's file printing. I didn't say "pity I can't submit a print from my digital p&s", I said "pity I can't submit an inkjet print" (which, it occurs, I

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Thursday, June 19, 2003, 4:27:00 AM, you wrote: > And while we are at it what about this "digital darkroom" stuff. Why do > those guys have their computer in the darkroom? Or, if they don't, why > should we listen to liars anyway. little tinsey winsey bit of seriousness in what I said>. pe

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Cotty
>Hmmm Can any digital print be called a "Photograph"? Perhaps a "Digital >Image" would be more appropriate! Oxford Pocket says: Photograph: Picture taken by means of a chemical action of light on sensitive film. With this as a baseline, it would be ultimately wrong to call an inkjet print fr

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-19 Thread Feroze Kistan
My original question was if any one on this list is entering, not what format they entering The rules of this contest states: "Enteries accepted as B/W photo prints from 13 X 18 to 20 X 25cm of an image photographed by analogue means (series and transparencies cannot be accepted) It

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-18 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/18/2003 10:43:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > frank theriault wrote: > > Well, definitions evolve, especially with changes of technology. > > They don't have to. It's about usurping through confusion in name. I see > no problem with calling an inkjet

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Brendan
I for one don't have my computer or 2200 near my dark room. Photography at it's core is image capture, digiral or film BUT many old skills of the darkroom are being lost, and if Agfa wants to show off their paper and also the darkroom skills of photographers they can. just like Fuji insists that y

Re: Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-18 Thread Caveman
Butch Black wrote: If you are consistent with that logic then a slide or transparency is not a photograph unless printed on silver halide photographic paper. And it's not. The process is photography, but the result is properly called a slide and not a photograph. If you look at the Agfa contest

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Caveman
They're nothing but despicable pretenders. They print a file from their digicam and they call that "photography". It's file printing. Yeah, from a distance you may mistake it for photographs. It's like with the transvestites. From a distance, they look like women. Or even better than most of th

Is an inkjet print a photograph? (was Re: Agfa Competition)

2003-06-18 Thread Butch Black
frank theriault wrote: > Well, definitions evolve, especially with changes of technology. They don't have to. It's about usurping through confusion in name. I see no problem with calling an inkjet print an inkjet print. What objective argument exists for having to call it otherwise. cheers, cavem

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
It's the M7 you should be drooling over. The R9 is a weak sister. Paul Brendan wrote: > > OOH a R9, tho I maybe closer to getting a c1. The > joys of having both digital and a darkroom. > > --- Feroze Kistan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.agfa.com/photo/multicontrast-competition/

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
> > So? Since when can't a digital b&w print be called b&w photograph? > > > > Since the organizers decided so. And for the purpose of that contest, > that's how it is, whether you like it or not. Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm not negating the organizers' right to make their rules. Never c

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Caveman
Lukasz Kacperczyk wrote: It is a B/W photo competition, not an Adobe Photoshop skills one. So? Since when can't a digital b&w print be called b&w photograph? Since the organizers decided so. And for the purpose of that contest, that's how it is, whether you like it or not. cheers, caveman

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Nick Zentena
On June 18, 2003 06:52 pm, Lukasz Kacperczyk wrote: > > It is a B/W photo competition, not an Adobe Photoshop skills one. > > So? Since when can't a digital b&w print be called b&w photograph? I suggest looking at the secondary prizes. Nick

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Łukasz Kacperczyk
> But for me, if it looks like a photograph and feels like a photograph > it is a photograph for me. Sorry for my convoluted syntax - that's what you get for not reading before hitting the "send" button :-) Łukasz

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Łukasz Kacperczyk
> Hmmm Can any digital print be called a "Photograph"? Perhaps a "Digital > Image" would be more appropriate! Maybe. But for me, if it looks like a photograph and feels like a photograph it is a photograph for me. Łukasz

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Bob Rapp
- Original Message - From: "Lukasz Kacperczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So? Since when can't a digital b&w print be called b&w photograph? > > Lukasz Hmmm Can any digital print be called a "Photograph"? Perhaps a "Digital Image" would be more appropriate! Bob

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Keith Whaley
No thanks, I already have a practically brand new C1 I'm looking to sell. But thanks! keith whaley Feroze Kistan wrote: > > http://www.agfa.com/photo/multicontrast-competition/ > > Anybody here entering. prizes 1-3 a Leica M7, 4-6 a R9 and 7-12 a C1 > > Feroze

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
> It is a B/W photo competition, not an Adobe Photoshop skills one. So? Since when can't a digital b&w print be called b&w photograph? Lukasz === www.fotopolis.pl [EMAIL PROTECTED] === internetowy magazyn o fotogr

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Brendan
OOH a R9, tho I maybe closer to getting a c1. The joys of having both digital and a darkroom. --- Feroze Kistan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.agfa.com/photo/multicontrast-competition/ > > Anybody here entering. prizes 1-3 a Leica M7, 4-6 a > R9 and 7-12 a C1 > > Feroze > __

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Caveman
Lukasz Kacperczyk wrote: http://www.agfa.com/photo/multicontrast-competition/ I thought about it, but I don't make traditional prints, and any "digital" output is excluded :-( It is a B/W photo competition, not an Adobe Photoshop skills one. cheers, caveman

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Feroze Kistan
Yep, I saw that, but I think they trying to promote their "multicontrast" paper, but that R9 looks like a very nice camera :) Feroze - Original Message - From: "Lukasz Kacperczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 18,

Re: Agfa Competition

2003-06-18 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
> http://www.agfa.com/photo/multicontrast-competition/ > > Anybody here entering. prizes 1-3 a Leica M7, 4-6 a R9 and 7-12 a C1 I thought about it, but I don't make traditional prints, and any "digital" output is excluded :-( regards, Lukasz === www.fo