On 16/09/12 23:48, Stan Halpin wrote:
On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:
What you're suggesting for Pentax would be a recipe for oblivion. It's
a rare product that can sell and compete by boasting about what it
DOESN'T have/do.
It would be dumb to market it that way, of course,
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On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:
What you're suggesting for Pentax would be a recipe for oblivion. It's
a rare product that can sell and compete by boasting about what it
DOESN'T
Pentax has been number 4 behind Olympus for some time. Olympus was
maintaining that lead with their Professional offering being no better
in most ways and inferior in a to Pentax's flagship cameras, which were
only positioned and sold as prosumer offerings. Marketing does wonders.
On
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The KM and the SPF were pretty much the same camera with different
mounts, the meters are interchangeable. The K1000 was a KM without a
self timer, once again the meter circuitry is interchangeable. With the
large
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The KM and the SPF were pretty much the same camera with different
mounts, the meters
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
P. J. Alling
Pentax has been number 4 behind Olympus for some time. Olympus was
maintaining that lead with their Professional offering being no better
in most ways and inferior in a to Pentax's flagship cameras, which
, September 17, 2012 12:10 PM
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The point is that the more difficult repair is the meter. Mechanical
parts can be fabricated by a good machinist the circuit boards are the
least repairable part. Weather the K1000 had a DOF
On 14 September 2012 13:12, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously:
http://photo.net/pentax-camera-forum/00anEI?start=10
Read the 2nd post from the top, by Garry Ian Young.
:-)
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The story gets better... Now we have this!
This is called Rumor Recycling. Keep in mind that if this is a *print*
publication then the article was written weeks ahead of time. It's
publication now does not equal freshest information. The fact that it
is getting amplified on the web now does not make it any fresher.
I have little doubt
Unless the part that's broke on the KM is the DoF preview.
From: P. J. Alling
The point is that the more difficult repair is the meter. Mechanical
parts can be fabricated by a good machinist the circuit boards are the
least repairable part. Weather the K1000 had a DOF preview is irrelevant
to
Well at least you can find a watchmaker or camera repair place that can
machine a new mechanical linkage, for a price. You can't get
discontinued circuit boards and transistors manufactured for any amount
of money you can name.
On 9/17/2012 4:46 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
Unless the part
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
The story gets better... Now we have this!
http://photorumors.com/2012/09/16/rumor-pentax-k-3-full-frame-dslr-camera-at-photokina/
Don't know what to say...
Okay, which one of us jokers wrote this comment:
This is an
Miserere wrote:
The story gets better... Now we have this!
http://photorumors.com/2012/09/16/rumor-pentax-k-3-full-frame-dslr-camera-at-photokina/
A German photography magazine? They had a copy of the magazine and
took a photo of it but they don't know the name of the magazine?
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On 9/17/2012 6:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Miserere wrote:
The story gets better... Now we have this!
http://photorumors.com/2012/09/16/rumor-pentax-k-3-full-frame-dslr-camera-at-photokina/
A German photography magazine? They had a copy of the magazine and
took a photo of it but they don't
On 17 September 2012 18:33, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/17/2012 6:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Miserere wrote:
The story gets better... Now we have this!
http://photorumors.com/2012/09/16/rumor-pentax-k-3-full-frame-dslr-camera-at-photokina/
A German photography
From: P. J. Alling
On 9/17/2012 6:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Miserere wrote:
The story gets better... Now we have this!
http://photorumors.com/2012/09/16/rumor-pentax-k-3-full-frame-dslr-camera-at-photokina/
A German photography magazine? They had a copy of the magazine and
took a photo of
From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
Now I don't hang out in the automotive forums, and maybe there were
some people who (before Honda introduced their Ridgeline pickup) got
totally ticked off at Honda for not bringing out a pickup when they
wanted to buy one. And they whined and
Paul Stenquist wrote: Pentaxians have fixated on frame dimension because they
don't have a big one.
Um, Mark?
Sorry Paul, it was funny.
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On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul Stenquist wrote: Pentaxians have fixated on frame dimension because they
don't have a big one.
Um, Mark?
Sorry Paul, it was funny.
Don't be sorry. The jest was intentional.
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On 9/16/12 9:05, Tom C wrote:
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Now I don't hang out in the automotive forums, and maybe there were
some people who (before Honda introduced their Ridgeline pickup) got
totally ticked off at Honda for not bringing out a pickup when they
wanted to buy one. And
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Toralf Lund
I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that chasing the latest and
greatest and focusing on higher numbers (in various specs) or a longer
list of features, is generally a good way to make products.
if
I remember, back in the film days, Olympus defined a niche for the
half-frame camera in a universe of full-frame 35mm offerings.
I suppose it may be conceivable that Pentax may occupy a similar niche
if the two major camera makers move to full frame.
On the other hand, I have a feeling that the
On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Toralf Lund
I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that chasing the latest and
greatest and focusing on higher numbers (in various specs) or a longer
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Paul Stenquist
I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that chasing the latest
and greatest and focusing on higher numbers (in various specs) or a
longer list of features, is generally a good way to make
On Sep 16, 2012, at 07:15 , George Sinos wrote:
In my opinion, Pentax has a great line of equipment that could compete
very well if they concentrated on marketing, distribution and dealer
support.
GS
Well put George.
Here's hoping RIKOH feels they now have a brand worth putting an effort
From: Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net
I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that chasing the latest and
greatest and focusing on higher numbers (in various specs) or a longer
list of features, is generally a good way to make products. As such, I
rather like what Pentax appears to be trying
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
It's
a rare product that can sell and compete by boasting about what it
DOESN'T have/do.
Apple has made quite a business of it. Of course, as you say, there
aren't too many Apple like companies out there.
gs
George Sinos
On 16/09/2012 9:17 AM, Tom C wrote:
It's a rare product that can sell and compete by boasting about what it
DOESN'T have/do.
Since people like bringing in car analogies (which I don't really agree
with), I've never seen a compact car ad extolling the virtues about not
being able to carry
I think I paid $1300 for the 6MP *ist D.
I'll pay $3300 for the 33MP D800E.
If using raw resolution as a single factor to compare upon, the *ist D
cost me $216/MB while the D800E is $100/MB.
Obviously there's more to it than MB, but one sees the point.
Also, I doubt I'll be buying another
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On 9/16/12 15:51, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Toralf Lund
I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that chasing the latest and
greatest and focusing on higher numbers (in various specs) or a longer
list of features, is generally a good
From: George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
It's
a rare product that can sell and compete by boasting about what it
DOESN'T have/do.
Apple has made quite a business of it. Of course, as you say, there
aren't too many Apple like
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Toralf Lund
On 9/16/12 15:51, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
Of Toralf Lund I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that
chasing the latest and greatest and
On 9/16/12 19:19, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Toralf Lund
On 9/16/12 15:51, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
Of Toralf Lund I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that
chasing the
From: Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Toralf Lund
I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that chasing the latest and
greatest and focusing on higher numbers (in various specs) or a longer
list of features, is generally a good way to make
On Sep 16, 2012, at 09:47 , Tom C wrote:
I think I paid $1300 for the 6MP *ist D.
I'll pay $3300 for the 33MP D800E.
If using raw resolution as a single factor to compare upon, the *ist D
cost me $216/MB while the D800E is $100/MB.
Obviously there's more to it than MB, but one sees the
On Sep 16, 2012, at 09:22 , Tom C wrote:
I'd venture to say a significant portion of customers can't define why
they bought Apple just like a significant portion of Nikon or Canon
users can't define why they bought those products as opposed to
another.
Celebrating a friends birthday at a
Yesterday I went running as usual with my regular Saturday morning
running group. After the run we go to Starbucks for coffee and banter
and a few other friends usually show up. Recently a cyclist friend
turned up and happened to mention that he'd just bought a new camera.
He isn't a serious
I have to say that I’m of two minds about it; I find that processing
the K-5 pictures is already slow enough, and I don’t see any evidence
that photo software is going to be getting faster. Also, I rarely
print, so don’t feel the need for that many more pixels. I’d like a
*bit* more
I think what the K-5 does is wait until you're finished shooting a burst
(almost impossible not too in fast-continuous mode) before it goes about
building the JPEG for the LCD. I find that if I want to chimp a shot, I must
wait from 3 to 10 seconds before it's available to view.
I can only
On 9/16/12 17:17, Tom C wrote:
From: Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net
I don't know, personally I'm not convinced that chasing the latest and
greatest and focusing on higher numbers (in various specs) or a longer
list of features, is generally a good way to make products. As such, I
rather like what
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I have to say that I'm of two minds about it; I find that processing
the K-5 pictures is already slow enough, and I don't see any
On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:
What you're suggesting for Pentax would be a recipe for oblivion. It's
a rare product that can sell and compete by boasting about what it
DOESN'T have/do.
It would be dumb to market it that way, of course, but there is after all a
certain
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On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:
What you're suggesting for Pentax would be a recipe for oblivion. It's
Someone speculated that Pentax is now the #4 or #5 brand. If so, they
need to offer a product that gives buyer's a compelling reason to buy
Pentax instead of the top brands.
I don't see that in the K5II.
Seems to me that compelling reason used to be what I call bang for the
buck, you could
I think any full frame will be priced at least $400 over the K5 ii. If the
autofocus is truly as improved as has been hinted at, the camera will be a good
buy. The K-5 sensor is superb. The only thing that the camera is really lacking
is world-class autofocus. There are plenty of buyers who
On 17 September 2012 11:59, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I think any full frame will be priced at least $400 over the K5 ii. If the
autofocus is truly as improved as has been hinted at, the camera will be a
good buy. The K-5 sensor is superb. The only thing that the camera
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On Sep
On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I think any full frame will be priced at least $400 over the K5 ii. If the
autofocus is truly as improved as has been hinted at, the camera will be a
good buy. The K-5 sensor is superb. The only thing that the camera is really
lacking is
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Someone speculated that Pentax is now the #4 or #5 brand. If so, they
need to offer a product that gives buyer's a compelling reason to buy
Pentax instead of the top brands.
I don't see that in the K5II.
Seems to me that compelling reason used to
On 16/09/2012 9:12 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
g. So why would I need to buy FF?
3. I probably would anyway, depending on price, but am having trouble finding a
compelling reason to do it and several reasons not to.
You would do it for the same reason we bought medium or large format
On 14/9/12, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:
Seriously:
http://photo.net/pentax-camera-forum/00anEI?start=10
Read the 2nd post from the top, by Garry Ian Young.
:-)
I sincerely hope it happens!
I mean seriously, how hard can it be in his day and age?
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On 14/09/2012 6:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I doubt that a lack of a competitive 24 x 36 camera will lead to immediate
defections over the holiday buying season, although it might cost Pentax some
sales to impressionable newbies. The Nikon certainly wouldn't interest me if it
couldn't
what do you mean?
43 will be very similar to 31 now, and 77 to 43.
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:15 AM, William Robb
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On 14/09/2012 6:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I doubt that a lack of a competitive 24 x 36 camera will lead to immediate
defections over the
On 15/09/2012 6:17 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote:
what do you mean?
43 will be very similar to 31 now, and 77 to 43.
I found all three of them to be not quite long enough. T
The 31 is neither long enough nor wide enough. It falls right in the
middle of useless.
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On 14/09/2012 6:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I doubt that a lack of a competitive 24 x 36 camera will lead to immediate
defections over the holiday buying season, although it
might cost Pentax some sales to impressionable newbies. The Nikon certainly
wouldn't interest me if it couldn't
On Sep 15, 2012, at 9:16 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14/09/2012 6:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I doubt that a lack of a competitive 24 x 36 camera will lead to immediate
defections over the holiday buying season, although it
might cost Pentax some sales to impressionable
I think the automotive manufacturer analogy is probably the most
appropriate. Some manufacturers like to be in *every* market, from the
inexpensive subcompact up to the full-size pickup. But a lot of auto
manufacturers make a good living by excluding some markets. If you
want a pickup, you have to
On 16 September 2012 11:44, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Now I don't hang out in the automotive forums, and maybe there were
some people who (before Honda introduced their Ridgeline pickup) got
totally ticked off at Honda for not bringing out a pickup when they
wanted to buy one.
Seriously:
http://photo.net/pentax-camera-forum/00anEI?start=10
Read the 2nd post from the top, by Garry Ian Young.
:-)
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Once Nikon is out with their compact, full frame camera,
Pentax will need to announce something to stem the defections
over the holiday buying season.
Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously:
Bob Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously:
http://photo.net/pentax-camera-forum/00anEI?start=10
Read the 2nd post from the top, by Garry Ian Young.
Once Nikon is out with their compact, full frame camera,
Pentax will need to announce
On 14 September 2012 18:18, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
Bob Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously:
http://photo.net/pentax-camera-forum/00anEI?start=10
Read the 2nd post from the top, by Garry Ian Young.
Once Nikon
I doubt that a lack of a competitive 24 x 36 camera will lead to immediate
defections over the holiday buying season, although it might cost Pentax some
sales to impressionable newbies. The Nikon certainly wouldn't interest me if it
couldn't equal the low-light performance of the K-5. If the
well, the thing is, nikon will almost definitely have a significant
real-world advantage in low-light/high-iso...
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I doubt that a lack of a competitive 24 x 36 camera will lead to immediate
defections over the
THERE are already some preliminary whispers. ARRRGH!
On Sep 14, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I doubt that a lack of a competitive 24 x 36 camera will lead to immediate
defections over the holiday buying season, although it might cost Pentax
some sales to
Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com wrote:
well, the thing is, nikon will almost definitely have a significant
real-world advantage in low-light/high-iso…
Probably. But that hasn't been a given with some full-frame cameras, and
price/value considerations enter into it as well. Pentax is
Pentaxians have fixated on frame dimension because they don't have a big
one.
MARK!
boy can this be taken multiple ways!
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
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Miserere wrote:
Well, the Canon 6D has been leaked and should be announced soon (as a
D600 competitor). Price is expected to be sub $2,500.
I'll be surprised if it isn't within about $100.00 of the D600!
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Probably 2000.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
Miserere wrote:
Well, the Canon 6D has been leaked and should be announced soon (as a
D600 competitor). Price is expected to be sub $2,500.
I'll be surprised if it isn't within about $100.00 of the
True, but at a price, $800 more or ~$1500 with a the kit zoom. All such
decisions are a trade off. I think Pentax has to announce a 24x36mm
sensor camera pretty soon, and it's price will have to be in the $2000
range. I suspect they may have planning to do that with a 24mp sensor
but for
Yeah. My Porsche can out-corner and out-brake your Ferrari!
On Sep 14, 2012, at 17:36 , Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote:
well, the thing is, nikon will almost definitely have a significant
real-world advantage in low-light/high-iso...
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Paul Stenquist
PJ,
I don't think the lens cost is an issue with the 645D.
People will use the original autofocus 645 lenses.
No big deal...
Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
True, but at a price, $800 more or ~$1500 with a the kit zoom. All such
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