My Saturn SC2 blew it's engine at 297000 miles or so just three weeks
ago. I seriously thought about getting a new engine...
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 16/12/06, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I prefer to use something until it is used up. I drive cars until the
wheels fall
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Adam Maas wrote:
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:
I think it's nicely ironic that my AF280T flash units have better
functionality with the new generation of DSLRs than newer generation AF500s.
It's exactly as ironic as the fact
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Digital Image Studio wrote:
Some of that post war mentality of my grandparents must have rubbed
off on me. I see this regular and forced redundancy of what are
essentially physically long lived objects as a ridiculous waste of
resources and my cash. And I really despise
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: K10D and Ring flash
On 15/12/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So then why the disappointment? You bought it for a specific purpose
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Adam Maas wrote:
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:
I think it's nicely ironic that my AF280T flash units have better
functionality with the new generation of DSLRs than newer generation
AF500s.
It's
Some of that post war mentality of my grandparents must have rubbed
off on me. I see this regular and forced redundancy of what are
essentially physically long lived objects as a ridiculous waste of
resources and my cash. And I really despise being told to effectively
get over it and more on.
On 16/12/06, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I prefer to use something until it is used up. I drive cars until the
wheels fall off. My 1989 Volvo 740 has 220,000 miles/354,000 km. My
wife's 1989 Isuzu Trooper has about the same.
LOL, I retired my '89 Volvo 740 Estate a couple of years
TTL flash seemed to work alright on the Ds if you remembered it's
limitations.
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Digital Image Studio wrote:
Some of that post war mentality of my grandparents must have rubbed
off on me. I see this regular and forced redundancy of what are
Mike Hamilton wrote:
The AF500FTZ was released in 1992. Pentax updated the flash protocol
to P-TTL in 2001 to bring Pentax flashes into modern day with wireless
flash, high speed sync, etc...
I like P-TTL a lot because exposures with it are much more accurate.
But - the pre-flash is a
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, Tom C wrote:
At least Sigma updates their flash. With Pentax you need a whole new unit.
Och aye! Sigma updates their TTL flashes to become P-TTL?
Kostas
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, William Robb wrote:
It's more stuff being left off that limits support for older equipment,
in this case, an analogue flash control.
Not sure what you are saying here, William. The AF-500FTZ is digitally
controlled, isn't it? It's the rear-facing sensor for TTL that is
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From: Kostas Kavoussanakis
Subject: Re: RE: K10D and Ring flash
Not sure what you are saying here, William. The AF-500FTZ is digitally
controlled, isn't it? It's the rear-facing sensor for TTL that is
omitted, because it did not work well with the CCDs. Am I
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Subject: Re: RE: K10D and Ring flash
P-TTL was already the standard in new Pentax bodies (MZ-S MZ-6
It's much better on the DS (firmware v2.0), but still not perfect.
Still when I get a K10D I'll keep the D as backup and plan to sell the
DS, for whatever I can get for it.
William Robb wrote:
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From: Kostas Kavoussanakis
Subject: Re: RE: K10D and Ring flash
William Robb wrote:
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Subject: Re: RE: K10D and Ring flash
Not sure what you are saying here, William. The AF-500FTZ is digitally
controlled, isn't it? It's the rear-facing sensor for TTL that is
omitted, because it did not work
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Tom C wrote:
Yeah I understand that technology changes... It doesn't help though that I
bought their most expensive flash unit and that now it's basically useless.
:-) Long before the life of the product itself has been exhausted.
That's an aperture-simulator kind of
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 04:49:25PM +, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Tom C wrote:
Yeah I understand that technology changes... It doesn't help though that I
bought their most expensive flash unit and that now it's basically useless.
:-) Long before the life of the
disappointed.
Why would I shoot film just to use my flash unit?
Tom C.
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Tom C wrote:
Yeah I understand that technology changes... It doesn't help though that
I
bought their most expensive flash unit and that now
On Dec 14, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Tom C wrote:
It's not an argument at all. I'm simply stating that since I paid,
at the
time, a pretty penny, and haven't used it that much, I'm disappointed.
The value in any of this equipment is in its use, not in its
longevity, future usability or residual
I didn't actually say it was anyone's fault... I bought its specifically to
photograph a wedding and it served me well.
Tom C.
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On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 01:29:36PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote:
Does the AF500FTZ not have an Auto-Thyristor mode?
No - just camera-controlled or full manual.
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Does the AF500FTZ not have an Auto-Thyristor mode?
No - just camera-controlled or full manual.
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On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 01:29:36PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote:
Does the AF500FTZ not have an Auto-Thyristor mode?
No - just camera-controlled or full manual.
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So then why the disappointment? You bought it for a specific purpose,
for which you are delighted that it served satisfactorily. Why not
leave it at that?
Have such a purpose in mind when you invest in a new flash unit for
your newer cameras and I bet you'll get your money's worth out of
It's also rather annoying that the AF500 doesn't have an auto mode,
so I'd be better off with my 30-year-old Sunpak 3000 on a new body.
(Although, of course, there's an aperture-simulator parallel; a screw-
mount lens gives me slightly more automation that a later K/M mount).
I think it's
William Robb wrote:
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From: Mike Hamilton
Subject: Re: RE: K10D and Ring flash
P-TTL was already the standard in new Pentax bodies (MZ-S MZ-6) in
2001, 2 years prior to the *ist D, which *also* supports TTL. As do
the *ist DS and *ist DS2. I think that 14
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Tom C wrote:
Why would I shoot film just to use my flash unit?
I have many reasons to shoot film, as you know, but you should use
film because you bought a flash that is designed for a film camera.
Kostas
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:
I think it's nicely ironic that my AF280T flash units have better
functionality with the new generation of DSLRs than newer generation AF500s.
It's exactly as ironic as the fact that M42 have better functionality
than the pre-A bayonets: it's
On 15/12/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So then why the disappointment? You bought it for a specific purpose,
for which you are delighted that it served satisfactorily. Why not
leave it at that?
Have such a purpose in mind when you invest in a new flash unit for
your newer
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:
I think it's nicely ironic that my AF280T flash units have better
functionality with the new generation of DSLRs than newer generation AF500s.
It's exactly as ironic as the fact that M42 have better functionality
than
On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:
So then why the disappointment? You bought it for a specific purpose,
for which you are delighted that it served satisfactorily. Why not
leave it at that?
Have such a purpose in mind when you invest in a new flash unit for
your newer
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Sigma's ringflash is supposed to be forthcoming in P-TTL form. Now that
Sigma has a copy of the K10D, it may appear soon.
I hesitate to buy one, though. Every time you buy a new body, you have
unit.
Tom C.
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:15:27 -0700
Sigma's ringflash is supposed to be forthcoming in P-TTL form. Now that
Sigma has a copy of the K10D
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From: Mike Hamilton
Subject: Re: RE: K10D and Ring flash
P-TTL was already the standard in new Pentax bodies (MZ-S MZ-6) in
2001, 2 years prior to the *ist D, which *also* supports TTL. As do
the *ist DS and *ist DS2. I think that 14 years (1992 to 2006
There is no such thing as laziness for a PDML member :-)
An interesting way since I had indeed some problems photographing
reflecting clay figures.
Baking paper in front of the 2 flash from about 1 Meter distance from the
side was a good solution.
greetings
Markus
.
I have many example shots but
On 12/12/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It may be possible to shoot from a few set distances if you can live
with some cropping from time to time.
If you can manage that, then perhaps stringing the subject distance
could be done.
A four foot string with a knot tied every stop of
It is common knowledge that the K10D does not have the capability to
do TTL flash metering. While there are options to buy dedicated PTTL
strobes for mounting on the hotshoe, there are no options currently
for a PTTL ring flash.
I do not use flash very much and for general work my Sunpak 383 in
I'm not a heavy flash user ...
With a film camera, having TTL flash metering was useful, without it
one tends to waste a lot of film.
With a digital camera, a fully manual flash seems perfectly fine: I
shoot a couple of test frames, check them with the histogram, and
just leave those
Perry -
Promaster lists one on their web site that they claim, with their Pentax
module, will work with the Pentax DSLRs, including the K10. Light
output is GN 35 at ISO 100.
-P
-
I forgot about this one. But I suspect that it has the same problem as a
flash from Sigma. You need to
Sigma's ringflash is supposed to be forthcoming in P-TTL form. Now that
Sigma has a copy of the K10D, it may appear soon.
I hesitate to buy one, though. Every time you buy a new body, you have
to send the flash back to Sigma for a new chip.
I, too, wish Pentax would bring one out. After all,
My wife is an avid shell collector and I often photograph what she
finds for record keeping and to help her identify the species. The
size varies a lot, so the camera to object distance changes often
during a shoot. Every time there is a change in position, the
exposure has to be re-determined
I tend to shoot that stuff with a tabletop setup, not a ringflash. I
bought one of the Lightcubes ... makes it a breeze. Set the flash up
with a cable so it's a fixed distance from the outside of the cube,
put a stage in the cube for the object, and use a zoom (the F35-70
Macro does a
Thanks Paul for the suggestion. They do say that is works with the
K10D with the correct module. The output should be fine for what I
need. I will have to check out a source and price.
On 12/11/06, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perry -
Promaster lists one on their web site that
Perry -
Promaster lists one on their web site that they claim, with their Pentax
module, will work with the Pentax DSLRs, including the K10. Light
output is GN 35 at ISO 100.
-P
Perry Pellechia wrote:
It is common knowledge that the K10D does not have the capability to
do TTL flash
On 12/11/06, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perry -
Promaster lists one on their web site that they claim, with their Pentax
module, will work with the Pentax DSLRs, including the K10. Light
output is GN 35 at ISO 100.
-P
-
I forgot about this one. But I suspect that it
P.S. There is a company that puts out an LCD ringlight. Since it goes on
and off like a flashlight, you don't need to worry about P-TTL. Just
turn it on and your meter does the work. Bh may list it. Or do a Google
search. The limitation is that the light is pretty weak, so you really
need to
Some the shells I have had to shoot are less than 3mm and require
bellows, reversed lens or both.These situations make it very
difficult to illuminate the subject without shadow problems. The ring
light is the only thing I have tried that really works for all
situations.
On 12/11/06, Godfrey
Thanks Joe, This is an excellent suggestion. I have seen these before
but I totally forgot about them. However, the nice one at BH runs
$250. The cheapo Phoenix is less.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=detailsQ=is=REGO=productlistsku=365518
Thanks Joe, This is an excellent suggestion. I have seen these before
but I totally forgot about them. However, the nice one at BH runs
$250. The cheapo Phoenix is less.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=detailsQ=is=REGO=productlistsku=365518
Very interesting subject matter! I'd like to see some pictures.
Godfrey
On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Perry Pellechia wrote:
Some the shells I have had to shoot are less than 3mm and require
bellows, reversed lens or both.These situations make it very
difficult to illuminate the subject
Interesting devices ... I think I'd like them better than a flash as
you can see the modeling and highlights more easily.
Godfrey
On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Perry Pellechia wrote:
Thanks Joe, This is an excellent suggestion. I have seen these before
but I totally forgot about them.
When I was at EKU, I used a copystand/pin register set-up and frequently
lit very small artifacts with a fiber optic tube. It took longish
shutter speeds, but it was a great way to light stuff.
Plus, it was a hell of a lot of fun.
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On 12/11/06, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Joe, This is an excellent suggestion. I have seen these before
but I totally forgot about them. However, the nice one at BH runs
$250. The cheapo Phoenix is less.
Godfrey,
I do not have access to my later photos here at work. I have some
earlier shots I can show. At the time I was trying to decide the best
way of getting these images. This set compares using a reversed
Vivitar 28mm lens and a Tamron 90mm F2.8 macro lens and teleconverter.
I think
That does sound like an interesting way to go. One or more LEDs
would be an way too. I might experiment with this approach.
On 12/11/06, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I was at EKU, I used a copystand/pin register set-up and frequently
lit very small artifacts with a fiber optic
Neat stuff!
These shells are very beautiful. The ringlight gives a somewhat flat,
clinical lighting ... more of a scientific recording than capturing
their beauty. Probably fine for the purposes you have articulated,
but I think you could do better justice to the subject matter,
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
With a film camera, having TTL flash metering was useful, without it
one tends to waste a lot of film.
With a digital camera, a fully manual flash seems perfectly fine: I
shoot a couple of test frames, check them with the histogram, and
just leave those settings in
with baking paper .
greetings
Markus
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Very interesting subject matter! I'd like to see some
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Perry Pellechia
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Subject: Re: K10D and Ring flash
Godfrey,
I do not have access to my later photos here at work. I have some
earlier shots I can show. At the time I
additional flashes softened with baking paper .
greetings
Markus
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Very interesting
8:09 PM
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Godfrey,
I do not have access to my later photos here at work. I have some
earlier shots I can show. At the time I was trying to decide the best
way of getting these images. This set compares using a reversed
Vivitar
On 12/11/06 3:20 PM, Perry Pellechia, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These were taken a while back. Later images are better. Most of the
softness are due to limited DOF using the reversed lens.
I used to shoot various jewelries for website display for my wife's
business. Jewelries are difficult
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: K10D and Ring flash
Neat stuff!
These shells are very beautiful. The ringlight gives a somewhat flat,
clinical lighting ... more of a scientific recording than capturing
their beauty. Probably fine for the purposes you have
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From: Perry Pellechia
Subject: Re: K10D and Ring flash
My wife is an avid shell collector and I often photograph what she
finds for record keeping and to help her identify the species. The
size varies a lot, so the camera to object distance changes often
Duh, maybe a one foot string..
William Robb
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