Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-12 Thread Mishka
On 12/12/06, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SORRY BUT I DO NOT AGREE. and that's cool with me. mishka -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-11 Thread William Robb
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > Mishka > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:10 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) > > > there's no such thing as "lenses in general". the bes

RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-11 Thread J. C. O'Connell
10:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) there's no such thing as "lenses in general". the best MF lenses are every bit as good as the best 35mm lenses (although more expensive). it's all a question of "bang for a buck" -- where the lar

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-11 Thread Mishka
there's no such thing as "lenses in general". the best MF lenses are every bit as good as the best 35mm lenses (although more expensive). it's all a question of "bang for a buck" -- where the larger formats will probably loose. btw, P645 A300/4 ED IF *is* better than any pentax A-lens (non-macro)

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thanks. I'd heard that the camera division went to a small company but there were some doubts as to whether they'd survive at all. Good to hear that they're doing something ... ! G On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > It's in production. Mamiya's camera division got sold to a sof

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-11 Thread Adam Maas
It's in production. Mamiya's camera division got sold to a software & Digital Imaging company (By the fishing rod company), which is a better fit anyways (the delays on the ZD were software). There were some complications, but they're back in business and the AF 645 stuff at least is still aroun

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Is the Mamiya ZD still in production? I thought they had closed up shop. G On Dec 11, 2006, at 11:02 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > Don't forget that there is also the Mamiya ZD, which can use all > Mamiya 645 glass (although the non-AF lenses are stop-down only). > It's a bit pricey at 12 grand or

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-11 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > Subject: RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) > > > >>I would make comments like that based >>on an old folder? Are you kidding me? >>Of course not. I am talking about

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-11 Thread Adam Maas
Don't forget that there is also the Mamiya ZD, which can use all Mamiya 645 glass (although the non-AF lenses are stop-down only). It's a bit pricey at 12 grand or so. Personally, I'd rather a 645DII with a good back, but that's way out of my price range at the moment. -Adam Kevin Waterson wr

RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) > if you are saying that medium format lenses > in general are just as sharp as 35mm lenses > I do not agree. I am not ignoring anything > but

RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
William Robb Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:50 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) >I dont have any medium format lens tests in my bookmarks > b

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) >I dont have any medium format lens tests in my bookmarks > but I saved this one a while back: > > http://www.hevanet.com/cperez/testing.html Try: http://www.hevanet.com/c

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) > if you are saying that medium format lenses > in general are just as sharp as 35mm lenses > I do not agree. I am not ignoring anything > but you...What evidence are you p

RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:14 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) >I would make comments like that based > on an old folder? Are you k

RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) >I say the very best M

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I put six or seven rolls of film through the 645 on my trip. All with the 45 and 35mm lenses. Don't know what they look like yet, of course, but I have to say that I like shooting with this camera a lot ... a 645D with 20-40 Mpixel is a definite "want it" on my future purchase list. It wou

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread David Savage
On 12/8/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Well I don't prescribe to that BS argument. How many here, in the past > >(or are currently) lugged around a Pentax 645 on their daily walk, to > >work etc for their day to day shooting? > > I'

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread mike wilson
Cotty wrote: > On 7/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>Well I don't prescribe to that BS argument. How many here, in the past >>(or are currently) lugged around a Pentax 645 on their daily walk, to >>work etc for their day to day shooting? > > > I'm always the odd one out.

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Who wouldn't, (uh oh, now we're in for it). David Savage wrote: > I'd prefer a 13-14+ MP 35mm "full frame" DSLR. > > Dave > > On 12/7/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It will have a 24 megapixel sensor, it will cost $4000, and it will >> appeal to a wide range of pros and ser

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Adam Maas
Cotty wrote: > On 7/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>Well I don't prescribe to that BS argument. How many here, in the past >>(or are currently) lugged around a Pentax 645 on their daily walk, to >>work etc for their day to day shooting? > > > I'm always the odd one out. 1

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: >Well I don't prescribe to that BS argument. How many here, in the past >(or are currently) lugged around a Pentax 645 on their daily walk, to >work etc for their day to day shooting? I'm always the odd one out. 1D+EF24-70 2.8 + spare battery.

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Adam Maas
David Savage wrote: > On 12/7/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>David Savage wrote: >> >>>Well I don't prescribe to that BS argument. How many here, in the past >>>(or are currently) lugged around a Pentax 645 on their daily walk, to >>>work etc for their day to day shooting? >> >>Consi

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/12/07 Thu PM 12:10:08 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) > > mike wilson wrote: > > What about SR? > >

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Jostein Øksne
Why do you want to use a lead-acid cell? :-) Jostein On 12/7/06, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...and a 1 kg battery to provide enough power to move > that sensor around! > > --- Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > mike wilson wrote: > > > What about SR? > > > > Yes, please?

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Christian
Jostein Øksne wrote: > Just one catch. The existing 645 600mm is manual focus. :-( > > Jostein Not a catch for me. I still rely a lot on manual focus. Even for some flight shots. :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Rick Womer
...and a 1 kg battery to provide enough power to move that sensor around! --- Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mike wilson wrote: > > What about SR? > > Yes, please? :-) > > Jostein > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread David Savage
On 12/7/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Savage wrote: > > Well I don't prescribe to that BS argument. How many here, in the past > > (or are currently) lugged around a Pentax 645 on their daily walk, to > > work etc for their day to day shooting? > > Considering that a 1Ds is the s

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Adam Maas
David Savage wrote: > On 12/7/06, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 07/12/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I'd prefer a 13-14+ MP 35mm "full frame" DSLR. >> The standard reply generally is: 645 is the new full frame camera! ;-) > > Well I don't prescribe to that

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Jostein Øksne
Just one catch. The existing 645 600mm is manual focus. :-( Jostein On 12/7/06, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jostein Øksne wrote: > > My guess is pretty close to Paul's. A 22 Mpix sensor has been > > suggested before, so if that's still in production it will have my > > bet. Pricewise

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Adam Maas
It's bigger than a 5D, smaller than a 1Ds. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: > I think the 645D smaller than the Canon full-frame DSLRs. I used only > 6x7 for quite a while. Took it everywhere. > Paul > On Dec 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, David Savage wrote: > >> On 12/7/06, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think the 645D smaller than the Canon full-frame DSLRs. I used only 6x7 for quite a while. Took it everywhere. Paul On Dec 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, David Savage wrote: > On 12/7/06, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 07/12/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I'd prefe

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Christian
Jostein Øksne wrote: > My guess is pretty close to Paul's. A 22 Mpix sensor has been > suggested before, so if that's still in production it will have my > bet. Pricewise my guess is between $5000 and $6000. First iteration: 18MP, US$3000. 18-month upgrades to 22MP and 30MP. > As for appeal... T

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread David Savage
On 12/7/06, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 07/12/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd prefer a 13-14+ MP 35mm "full frame" DSLR. > > The standard reply generally is: 645 is the new full frame camera! ;-) Well I don't prescribe to that BS argument. How many here

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 07/12/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd prefer a 13-14+ MP 35mm "full frame" DSLR. The standard reply generally is: 645 is the new full frame camera! ;-) But hey yeah, I'm with you, and chuck in an aperture feedback sensor too, $3k would have me handing over the cash. No way I'

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread David Savage
I'd prefer a 13-14+ MP 35mm "full frame" DSLR. Dave On 12/7/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It will have a 24 megapixel sensor, it will cost $4000, and it will > appeal to a wide range of pros and serious amateurs. That's my > prediction. > Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Jostein Øksne
mike wilson wrote: > What about SR? Yes, please? :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "Jostein Øksne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/12/07 Thu AM 11:03:26 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) > > My guess is pretty close to Paul's. A 22 Mpix sensor has been > suggested b

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-07 Thread Jostein Øksne
My guess is pretty close to Paul's. A 22 Mpix sensor has been suggested before, so if that's still in production it will have my bet. Pricewise my guess is between $5000 and $6000. As for appeal... Throw in some weather sealing, and I believe at least some non-pentax outdoor/landscape photograpers

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
It will have a 24 megapixel sensor, it will cost $4000, and it will appeal to a wide range of pros and serious amateurs. That's my prediction. Paul On Dec 6, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 07/12/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Just received the Jan 2007 issue of

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" Subject: Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?) > > > If they couldn't predict the K10Ds market appeal it really may end up > being a bit of a nightmare. What sensor sill it end up with, what will > it cost, who wi

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-06 Thread Jack Davis
Simply indicates it "might" take deeper pockets than had been hoped. Jack --- Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 07/12/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just received the Jan 2007 issue of SHUTTERBUG. Included in an > article, > > "Photokina, SPECIAL COVERAGE" is a p

Re: Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-06 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 07/12/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just received the Jan 2007 issue of SHUTTERBUG. Included in an article, > "Photokina, SPECIAL COVERAGE" is a photo of a version of the 645D > concept camera along with the comment,"..the 645 looked rather lonely > as it sat in its sealed transpar

Pentax 645D Sensor size(?)

2006-12-06 Thread Jack Davis
Just received the Jan 2007 issue of SHUTTERBUG. Included in an article, "Photokina, SPECIAL COVERAGE" is a photo of a version of the 645D concept camera along with the comment,"..the 645 looked rather lonely as it sat in its sealed transparent case, waiting for the 30-megapixel sensor that will mak