2009/12/20 William Robb :
>
> It sounds like quite often, the authorities themselves have no idea what the
> laws are, and so decide on the spot what they think the laws should be and
> then try to enforce their fantasies.
since they consider themselves above the law, it appears to them a
perfectl
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From: "Christine Aguila"
Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
Moreover, there's a difference between arguing what "the laws *should be*"
and what "existing laws *are*."
It sounds like quite often, the authorities the
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From: "John Sessoms"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
From: "Christine Aguila"
In Kenneth Kobre's book "Photojournalism: The Professionals' Approach"
6th edi
From: "Christine Aguila"
In Kenneth Kobre's book "Photojournalism: The Professionals' Approach" 6th
edition, Kobre provides on page 393 a chart titled, "Where and When a
Photojournalist Can Shoot"
[...]
I see that Mr. Kobre is a devotee of the "If we don't exercise our
rights, they can't
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From: "Bob W"
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'"
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:26 AM
Subject: RE: Photographer arrested at mall
In Kenneth Kobre's book "Photojournalism: The Professionals'
Approach" 6th
> In Kenneth Kobre's book "Photojournalism: The Professionals'
> Approach" 6th edition, [...]
I have an earlier edition of that book - it's superb. Recommended reading
for all photographers.
>
> "Do whatever a police officer orders you to do, even if it seems
> unreasonable or ridiculous or
y, December 20, 2009 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
In Kenneth Kobre's book "Photojournalism: The Professionals' Approach"
6th edition, Kobre provides on page 393 a chart titled, "Where and When a
Photojournalist Can Shoot"
Listed in the catego
In Kenneth Kobre's book "Photojournalism: The Professionals' Approach" 6th
edition, Kobre provides on page 393 a chart titled, "Where and When a
Photojournalist Can Shoot"
Listed in the category "Private But Open to the Public":
Shopping Mall and Store in Mall: a photojournalist can shoot "
From: frank theriault
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Stan Halpin
wrote:
On Dec 18, 2009, at 9:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
I'm sure the photographer WAS being an "arsehole", or
actually an asshole, since it happened in the US. In the
United States, being an asshole is a right protected by th
From: Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote:
>On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> The Weather channel last nite had a piece on Boone, N.C. - close to GFM -
>> stating it had gotten somethimg like a foot of snow & was expecting more.
>
>Hope Greywolf is all battened down...
My
From: John Graves
I have to add that most policeman are great people and doing things that
at times are scary as hell. They are well trained and will give you the
shirt off their backs if the circumstances call for it. Mall cops are
not policemen, although they could be wannabes. The really s
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Stan Halpin
wrote:
>
> On Dec 18, 2009, at 9:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure the photographer WAS being an "arsehole", or actually an asshole,
>> since it happened in the US. In the United States, being an asshole is a a
>> right protected by the First
On Dec 18, 2009, at 9:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>
> I'm sure the photographer WAS being an "arsehole", or actually an asshole,
> since it happened in the US. In the United States, being an asshole is a a
> right protected by the First Amendment.
>
Many would suggest that it is a right protec
frank theriault wrote:
>On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> The Weather channel last nite had a piece on Boone, N.C. - close to GFM -
>> stating it had gotten somethimg like a foot of snow & was expecting more.
>
>Hope Greywolf is all battened down...
My friends in NC tell me t
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
> The Weather channel last nite had a piece on Boone, N.C. - close to GFM -
> stating it had gotten somethimg like a foot of snow & was expecting more.
Hope Greywolf is all battened down...
cheers,
frank
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Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
Cool and light snow in Chicago, but the East Coast is getting hit with
a big storm.
Chicago's football team had a mechanical delay on their flight to
Baltimore yesterday.
The airport closed them out.
On 19/12/09, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>The weather is the same here. I'm going to take a walk with my
>camera, have a coffee at my favorite cafe, do some Christmas shopping
>and shoot some pictures.
>
>;-)
Hope you had a good morning out mate. We're due snow tonight so am
say
I have to add that most policeman are great people and doing things that
at times are scary as hell. They are well trained and will give you the
shirt off their backs if the circumstances call for it. Mall cops are
not policemen, although they could be wannabes. The really scary thing
is that
Cool and light snow in Chicago, but the East Coast is getting hit with
a big storm.
Chicago's football team had a mechanical delay on their flight to
Baltimore yesterday.
The airport closed them out. They are going to try again today for
Sunday's game.
Here's a shot from this morning's outing...
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Cotty wrote:
> Saturday morning, cold and bright outside, coffee sinking in, just a few
> thoughts.
The weather is the same here. I'm going to take a walk with my
camera, have a coffee at my favorite cafe, do some Christmas shopping
and shoot some pictures.
;-)
>In Oz unless otherwise sing posted all publicly accessible places are
>photo-zones
I think we're on the same hymn sheet.
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On 19/12/2009, Cotty wrote:
> Single males carrying cameras with long lenses pointing at children will
> raise concerns anywhere, especially in malls. What you must remember is
> that shopping malls - although some say are 'public spaces' - are in
> fact privately owned and operated and guess wha
Having just reread the entire thread, instead of reiterating opinion
(most absolutely anything I'd have to say has been said either in this
thread or another either by others or by myself) I want to leave it at
saying how sad I think it is that we've taken our society (yes it was
ourselves, we have
On 19/12/09, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
>What you must remember is
>that shopping malls - although some say are 'public spaces' - are in
>fact privately owned and operated and guess what - the owners make the
>rules. If they say no photography of any kind, you're out of luck.
I will just
I think this whole thread shows that the world is a different place it
was just 10 or 15 years ago.
For my part, when I'm not working (and if I'm carrying a stills camera)
I would not go into a shopping mall with the intention of taking
photographs - unless (let's say) I was maybe doing project or
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Doug Franklin
wrote:
> On 2009-12-18 20:46, frank theriault wrote:
>
>> That being said a small majority [...]
>
> ^^^
>
> Typo or subversive/cynical commentary!? :-) Did the NSA record your IP
> address on that one? :->
That was a typo.
On 2009-12-18 23:04, John Sessoms wrote:
[...] be prepared to fight dirty.
There's no such thing. You can fight to win, or you can decide not to.
Those are the only choices. :-)
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On 2009-12-18 20:46, frank theriault wrote:
That being said a small majority [...]
^^^
Typo or subversive/cynical commentary!? :-) Did the NSA record your IP
address on that one? :->
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On 2009-12-18 20:10, Anthony Farr wrote:
I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
you were able to resist arrest.
Before they arrest you, it's "obstructing justice" or "interfering with
a duly appointed official in the legal and legitimate pursuit of his
lawful dut
From: Graydon
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:33:14AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
> It's not against the law to take photos in a mall.
The degree of pedeophile paranoia is such that there have been a few
successful prosecutions of parents for having completely innocuous naked
or semi-naked pic
From: Anthony Farr
Right.
And ~then~ they charge you with resist arrest...
cheers, frank
I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
you were able to resist arrest. If he simply lays hands on you or
even takes hold of you it's still not arrest if the cop hasn
Well said, G.
On Dec 18, 2009, at 18:23 , Graydon wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:33:14AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
It's not against the law to take photos in a mall.
The degree of pedeophile paranoia is such that there have been a few
successful prosecutions of parents for having
Cops are people just like you and me. The difference is that we go
through life pretty much living the rules of common sense, with a
little bit of knowledge about the laws in our area of the world.
Cops are taught the laws they are expected to enforce, and all the
tricks their teachers, bud
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:33:14AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
> It's not against the law to take photos in a mall.
The degree of pedeophile paranoia is such that there have been a few
successful prosecutions of parents for having completely innocuous naked
or semi-naked pictures of their inf
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Anthony Farr wrote:
> I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
> you were able to resist arrest. If he simply lays hands on you or
> even takes hold of you it's still not arrest if the cop hasn't
> pronounced it or read any rights.
Y
2009/12/19 frank theriault :
>
>
> Right.
>
> And ~then~ they charge you with resist arrest...
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
I would have thought the cop had to actually be arresting you before
you were able to resist arrest. If he simply lays hands on you or
even takes hold of you it's still not ar
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
> When they're just bullying and you refuse to be bullied, they charge you
> with "obstructing justice", "interfering with an officer" or "assaulting an
> officer", since they weren't actually "arresting" you.
>
> Until they did.
Right.
And
From: David Mann
On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:17 AM, frank theriault wrote:
I don't blame you for leaving and not confronting the Mall Cop.
The downside of being arrested (even if no charges are laid) kind
of sucks. And, as we've heard earlier in this thread (and in
other stories), even if the "real"
Just remember Galloway, we know what your IP address is.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Morris Galloway
wrote:
> De Lurking for a moment.
>
> Perhaps a good way to stop this kind of petty-foggery is a nice little
> Federal Civil Rights Lawsuit. Requesting a nice little pile of that
> Greenbac
De Lurking for a moment.
Perhaps a good way to stop this kind of petty-foggery is a nice little
Federal Civil Rights Lawsuit. Requesting a nice little pile of that
Greenback Ointment we all enjoy putting on our open wounds.
There are, come to think of it, a group of mad-dog trial attorneys
On 12/18/2009 2:01 AM, David Mann wrote:
On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:17 AM, frank theriault wrote:
I don't blame you for leaving and not confronting the Mall Cop. The
downside of being arrested (even if no charges are laid) kind of
sucks. And, as we've heard earlier in this thread (and in other
st
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 08:01:48PM +1300, David Mann wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:17 AM, frank theriault wrote:
>
> > I don't blame you for leaving and not confronting the Mall Cop. The
> > downside of being arrested (even if no charges are laid) kind of
> > sucks. And, as we've heard earlier
On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:17 AM, frank theriault wrote:
> I don't blame you for leaving and not confronting the Mall Cop. The
> downside of being arrested (even if no charges are laid) kind of
> sucks. And, as we've heard earlier in this thread (and in other
> stories), even if the "real" police rea
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--- On Thu, 12/17/09, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: John Sessoms
> Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 11:33 AM
> From: Sandra Hermann
&
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
It's my god given right to be an asshole
> for the First Amendment.
MARK!!
cheers,
frank
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From: Sandra Hermann
The mall cop said because other children were on the Carousel it was
illegal. I didn't believe him, but didn't wanna take a chance either.
The mall cop is, as my grandmother was wont to say, "full of sawdust and
slough water." I won't say what I think he's full of.
It's
From: frank theriault
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Sandra Hermann
wrote:
I was taking picture of Sami on a Mall carousel around town and
the security guard told me I needed to get out of there they had
called the police. ?He gave me enough warning I could get away
Mom stayed with Sami whil
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Sandra Hermann
wrote:
> The mall cop said because other children were on the Carousel it was illegal.
> I didn't believe him, but didn't wanna take a chance either.
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--- On Wed, 12/16/09, frank theriault wrote:
> From: frank theriault
> Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 11:33 PM
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:05 AM,
> Sandr
On 12/16/2009 8:24 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
Ouch...
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
In Israel, in principle, it is not allowed to take pictures in the
malls. Bigger ones will have their security kindly ask you not to take
pictures. Smaller ones don't really care. But taking a pic
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Sandra Hermann
wrote:
> I was taking picture of Sami on a Mall carousel around town and the security
> guard told me I needed to get out of there they had called the police. He
> gave me enough warning I could get away Mom stayed with Sami while I walked
> awa
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--- On Wed, 12/16/09, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: John Sessoms
> Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Dat
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:37:36PM -0500, John Sessoms wrote:
>
> It's mostly a power trip. "I'm a cop, and you have to do what I tell
> you." If you refuse to obey you're resisting arrest.
Yep. And that's what you can get charged with, even if you had done
nothing to warrant being arrested in
From: Keith Whaley
Drew wrote:
> Igor Roshchin wrote:
>> Ouch...
>>
>> http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
> Hmm... I was stopped with a colleague by a Mall Cop in a mall in Austin
> TX, we had set out with cameras to wander round downtown but decided to
> go to a mall to find a wa
Drew wrote:
Igor Roshchin wrote:
Ouch...
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
Hmm... I was stopped with a colleague by a Mall Cop in a mall in Austin
TX, we had set out with cameras to wander round downtown but decided to
go to a mall to find a watch repair shop to get a battery for
Igor Roshchin wrote:
Ouch...
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
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Hmm... I was stopped with a
From: frank theriault
n Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>
> Ouch...
>
> http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
Like many on this list, and like the photog in the article, I take my
camera everywhere, including the mall (which thankfully I don't go to
very often).
Sound
From: Igor Roshchin
Ouch...
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
SUE THE BASTARDS!
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ssage - From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
One of the many things that pisses me off about this is that those
with "real" cameras aren't what security and cops should concern
themselves with - it's cellphone cameras that they ought
Igor Roshchin wrote:
Ouch...
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
Ah yes, he's not really under arrest for taking photographs, he's under
arrest for resisting arrest.
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frank theriault wrote:
> One of the many things that pisses me off about this is that those
> with "real" cameras aren't what security and cops should concern
> themselves with - it's cellphone cameras that they ought to worry
> about. They're everywhere, and I see people using them all the time
On a related subject:
"Don't talk to ... " no, it is not just a stranger:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8167533318153586646&hl=en#
I've seen this video earlier, it might have even been mentioned
here, on PDML, - in that case I apologize for the repetition.
I was reminded of it in relati
care if the reasons are wrong :)
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "frank theriault"
> Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
>
>
>>
>> One of the many things that pisses me off about this is tha
- Original Message -
From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: Photographer arrested at mall
One of the many things that pisses me off about this is that those
with "real" cameras aren't what security and cops should concern
themselves with - it's cellph
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:
>
> Ouch...
>
> http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
Like many on this list, and like the photog in the article, I take my
camera everywhere, including the mall (which thankfully I don't go to
very often).
Sounds like an over-zealous of
>
> >Ouch...
> >
> >http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
> >
> >
> wow thats creepy
>
> ann
>
People are getting stupidly paranoid
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Igor Roshchin wrote:
Ouch...
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
wow thats creepy
ann
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http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200912090794
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