RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Nick Wright
Okay, a couple questions... Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? Which software do you like, and why? -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Doug Franklin
Nick Wright wrote: Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? The UI is terribly clunky, mostly. Which software do you like, and why? Adobe Camera Raw, which comes with Lightroom and Photoshop. It just feels smoother and easier. And it does batches better. -- Thanks, DougF (K

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
based Apples with 2G or more RAM, or equivalently powerful Windows systems. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Apr 1, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Nick Wright wrote: Okay, a couple questions... Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? Which software do you like, and why? -- ~Nick David Wright

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Nick Wright
09, at 7:18 PM, Nick Wright wrote: > >> Okay, a couple questions... >> >> Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? >> >> Which software do you like, and why? >> >> -- >> ~Nick David Wright >> http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ >

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Peter McIntosh
2009/4/2 Nick Wright > > Does anyone recommend a program that does not cost $300? > Try Picasa - it's free. http://www.google.com/picasa/ Opens PEF's fine, allows simple editing, saves as jpeg. Lots of people don't seem to like it much, but I think it's incredible value for money. The latest

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Scott Loveless
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Nick Wright wrote: > Does anyone recommend a program that does not cost $300? I do. Picasa. It's free. Download it from Google. Or maybe Cinepaint if you're running a Mac or Linux. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixt

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Nick Wright
Picasa for the Mac has a few bugs. But I'll add that to my list of things to play with. Does anyone here use RAW Developer? I've been playing with the demo a bit, and so far I really like it. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Nick Wright w

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
have both. If finances can't measure up to either, PhotoShop Elements is the correct and obvious choice. Paul On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Nick Wright wrote: Okay, a couple questions... Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? Which software do you like, and why? -- ~

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Brian Walters
On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:18 -0500, "Nick Wright" wrote: > Okay, a couple questions... > > Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? I think the user interface was designed to be deliberately obtuse > Which software do you like, and why? Raw Therapee. It&#

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Larry Colen
ocess again later. Meanwhile there's more than enough to learn about your camera. On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 09:18:51PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote: > Okay, a couple questions... > > Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? > > Which software do you like, and why?

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Christine Aguila
certainly under $300. Maybe download a trial version of PE7 & see if you like it. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "Nick Wright" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: RAW software Okay, a couple questions... Why don't you all like the

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Fernando
I like Capture One, for it's simplicity and great workflow. I also feel that I get great high ISO shots (ISO 1600) with no effort with it. For anything not high ISO I remember liking Silkypix, it has precanned looks that are quick and nice to work with, plus great control. I didn't try Lightroom

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Adam Maas
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I prefer PSCS and the Adobe ACR converter. The total package does more > overall than Lightroom. While it may not be as good for mass production, if > one must choose between Lightroom and PhotoShop for fine art photography, > PhotoShop has

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Bruce Dayton
Well, I started out using Capture One. It was nice to process large batches. Lightroom didn't exist then. When Lightroom came out, I tried it a couple of times. I found it to be too much. It wanted to manage my files and organize things and build galleries and much more. Since I already had s

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Pasvorn Boonmark
Nick, Another vote for Picasa. You can also use Irfanview - one of the classic, or "dcraw" if you like batch processing. -Pasvorn On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Nick Wright wrote: > Does anyone recommend a program that does not cost $300? > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Eactivist
I like PS Elements. I am using version 5 -- I can't remember, but think that was the first version that came with Adobe Bridge. It allows me to do conversions (I mainly do RAW to JPG), clone, create B&W versions of my shots, bring up highlights in shadows (once used, you'll love it), and m

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I wouldn't touch Picasa, personally. RAW Developer is good. But by the time you pay for it, and for GraphicConverter to edit metadata, you have paid for half of Lightroom 2 ... which is a better performer than both of those put together. There are such things as false economy. ;-) Godfrey

Re: RAW software

2009-04-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Adam Maas wrote: While I like Lightroom, I don't like some of the restrictions in file organizing it forces on me What restrictions would those be? You can organize your files on the hard drive any way at all and import them in place with Lightroom. I truly don

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
- Mensaje original > De: Pasvorn Boonmark > Nick, > > Another vote for Picasa. You can also use Irfanview - one of the > classic, or "dcraw" if you like batch processing. > Although I am a heavy user of Picasa and (still) a light user of RAW, my little experience converting picture

RE: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bob W
Lightroomski > > Does anyone recommend a program that does not cost $300? > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread mike wilson
Nick Wright wrote: > Okay, a couple questions... > > Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? > > Which software do you like, and why? It is less than intuitive, somewhat intrusive towards your computer and is not amenable to automation. It is, however, as

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Bob W wrote: > Lightroomski Why, Bob, however much does that one cost? -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> While I like Lightroom, I don't like some of >> the restrictions in file organizing it forces on me > > What restrictions would those be? You can organize your files on the hard > drive an

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Adam Maas wrote: While I like Lightroom, I don't like some of the restrictions in file organizing it forces on me What restrictions would those be? You can or

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >>> While I like Lightroom, I don't like some of the restrictions in

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Doug Franklin
Adam Maas wrote: So Lightroom adds extra steps (Import) in order to gain features I don't want (the Library) but can't get away from (The Library once again). That's exactly how I feel about Lightroom, and most of the other programs that try to organize photos ... they never seem to organize

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Adam Maas wrote: So Lightroom adds extra steps (Import) in order to gain features I don't want (the Library) but can't get away from (The Library once again). That's my only quibble with Lightroom: I can't just browse and convert, I have to import images into its database first. I use Lightro

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Charles Robinson
On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:27, Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: So Lightroom adds extra steps (Import) in order to gain features I don't want (the Library) but can't get away from (The Library once again). That's my only quibble with Lightroom: I can't just browse and convert, I have to impor

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bruce Dayton
Very well put, Adam. That is one of the main reasons I chose not to use it. I already have software that deals with organization directly at the OS level rather than this import part. I don't want to bother with the import and all my other packages work just fine with the files in directories as

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Charles Robinson wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:27, Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: So Lightroom adds extra steps (Import) in order to gain features I don't want (the Library) but can't get away from (The Library once again). That's my only quibble with Lightroom: I can't just browse and

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
I much prefer Bridge as well, and it's kept me wedded to ACR, of which I"m also very fond. On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Adam Maas wrote: While I like Lightroom, I don't like some of the re

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
Adam Maas wrote: That IS the restriction I'm speaking of. Because it uses a library instead of a file browser I need to jump through that hoop if I want to use a filesystem organization other than the one it wants. As opposed to my files just being there in Bridge. Bridge is simply much less hass

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image management to expand creativity and profitability are not viable for this user community. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Adam Maas wrote: That IS the restriction I'm speaking of

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Doug Brewer
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image management to expand creativity and profitability are not viable for this user community. that's kind of a big leap, don't you think? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bong Manayon
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Bob W wrote: > Lightroomski > Sounds bootlegged... :-) -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and fo

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bong Manayon
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, mike wilson wrote: > > Nick Wright wrote: >> Okay, a couple questions... >> >> Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? >> >> Which software do you like, and why? > > It is less than intuitive, somewha

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image management to expand creativity and profitability are not viable for this user community. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Adam Maas wrote: That IS the re

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Timbah!
Nick Wright wrote: Okay, a couple questions... Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? Extremely slow and very limited functions Which software do you like, and why? Adobe Lightroom. Plenty options for control and postprocessing. I only rarely using photoshop because I

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bob Sullivan
There is one true God, and she is Lightroom. Let us worship at her alter. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image management to > expand creativity and profitability are not viable for this user co

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image management to expand creativity and profitability are not viable for this user community. that's kind of a big leap, don't you think? It's not only a big leap, it's opposite what many

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Wright
Thanks for all the replies. I've been fiddling around with several different programs. And I'll just have to decide. Frankly I've really been enjoying the look of the photos done by iPhoto. I'm really rather surprised by this in fact. I just downloaded Bibble and was struck by how much noise my

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 2, 2009, at 06:24 , Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: So Lightroom adds extra steps (Import) in order to gain features I don't want (the Library) but can't get away from (The Library once again). That's exactly how I feel about Lightroom, and most of the other programs that try

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 2, 2009, at 06:27 , Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: So Lightroom adds extra steps (Import) in order to gain features I don't want (the Library) but can't get away from (The Library once again). That's my only quibble with Lightroom: I can't just browse and convert, I have to imp

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image management to expand creativity and profitability are not viable for this user community. that's kind of a big leap, don't you think?

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Paul Sorenson
Intentional or not, this reply comes across as nose-in-the-air snobbery - that your way is the *only* way to do things. Keep in mind that other people's needs and resources may be different from yours and that what may be a logical process in your mind may be different in someone else's. Your

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/2/2009 10:14:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, godd...@mac.com writes: If that is not important to you, it is to me. Be happy in what you do, I'm quite happy with what I do. ;-) Godfrey I'm happy with my combo of LR 2 and Elements 5. For me, LR is okay.

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 2, 2009, at 09:36 , Bob Sullivan wrote: There is one true God, and she is Lightroom. Let us worship at her alter. Regards, Bob S. Here we have religious freedom. I therefore worship Aperture, which seems to do everything all the various disjointed programs you all are discussing try

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza" Subject: Re: RAW software Godfrey, don't make general assumptions and take it easy. Can one or two people have different needs from yours? Not unless you are a loser, apparently. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
One nice thing about Bridge is while it's closely integrated to ACR, I can set it to open files of various types in other converters. I have it currently setup to open NEF's (Nikon RAW files) in CaptureNX and all other files in ACR. If I ever get a Sony A900 (a camera I'm quite interested in as a h

RE: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bob W
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Bob W wrote: > > Lightroomski > > Why, Bob, however much does that one cost? > > Couple of roubles, apparently. (Let me point out that I have a legit copy of Lightroom, which I think is a great program and worth every penny. I'd rate it as one of the to

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image management to > expand creativity and profitability are not viable for this user community. > > Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com > I found Lightroom to have the opposite effect _for

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > On Apr 2, 2009, at 06:24 , Doug Franklin wrote: > >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >>> So Lightroom adds extra steps (Import) in order to gain features I >>> don't want (the Library) but can't get away from (The Library once >>> again). >> >> That's

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Such silliness. On Apr 2, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image management to expand creativity and profitability are not viable for this user community. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Dario Bonazz

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
IPhoto does a decent job. I fooled around with it a bit and was surprised as well. I imagine it shares some conversion technology with Aperture. Paul On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Nick Wright wrote: Thanks for all the replies. I've been fiddling around with several different programs. And I'

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Wright
I am really impressed with iPhoto's conversions of my photos. Here's a gallery comparing a 3200 iso shot converted with Bibble and iPhoto. http://is.gd/qmKQ On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > IPhoto does a decent job. I fooled around with it a bit and was surprised as > wel

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
The conversion engine is identical between iPhoto and Aperture, and the backend is closely related. Aperture is really just a better UI with more control over editing on top of iPhoto's backend. -Adam On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > IPhoto does a decent job. I fooled arou

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Impressive. On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Nick Wright wrote: I am really impressed with iPhoto's conversions of my photos. Here's a gallery comparing a 3200 iso shot converted with Bibble and iPhoto. http://is.gd/qmKQ On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Paul Stenquist > wrote: IPhoto does a dec

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:24:28AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: > Adam Maas wrote: > > >So Lightroom adds extra steps (Import) in order to gain features I > >don't want (the Library) but can't get away from (The Library once > >again). > > That's exactly how I feel about Lightroom, and most of the

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:55:22AM -0500, Charles Robinson wrote: > It's funny that one of the major features that I love about Lightroom > is something that others find to be a pain. > > The importing for me is just a minor step. I love the fact that I can > locate images from 3 years ago in

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 03:29:06PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote: > I am really impressed with iPhoto's conversions of my photos. > > Here's a gallery comparing a 3200 iso shot converted with Bibble and iPhoto. > > http://is.gd/qmKQ When I tried iPhoto I found it to be the single worst user interface

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Wright
iPhoto 7 is an immense improvement over previous versions. I find it does just about everything I need it to do. On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 03:29:06PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote: >> I am really impressed with iPhoto's conversions of my photos. >> >>

RE: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bob W
> > Perhaps you can tell me how to handle an issue. My iMac doesn't have > huge amounts of disk space, and it's not trivial to add a bigger > drive. So my process: > [...] > > My problem with this software may be from the fact that I use a mac > because it's unix, rather than I'm using a unix ma

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Graydon
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 09:18:51PM -0500, Nick Wright scripsit: > Okay, a couple questions... > > Why don't you all like the Pentax RAW software? Doesn't run on Linux. > Which software do you like, and why? ufraw/dcraw (ufraw is a graphical front end for dcraw) and

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Bob W wrote: >> >> Perhaps you can tell me how to handle an issue. My iMac doesn't have >> huge amounts of disk space, and it's not trivial to add a bigger >> drive. So my process: >> > [...] >> >> My problem with this software may be from the fact that I use a mac

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Paul Sorenson
Not familiar with the intricacies of the Mac OS, but I'm wondering if you can't use the Linux box as a file server and map that drive to your Mac so it sees the Linux drive as a local drive. -p Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:55:22AM -0500, Charles Robinson wrote: It's funny that

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Graydon
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 11:53:19AM -0400, Doug Brewer scripsit: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> I guess notions of efficiency, productivity, and overall image >> management to expand creativity and profitability are not viable for >> this user community. > > that's kind of a big leap, don't you th

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 06:18:19PM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote: > Not familiar with the intricacies of the Mac OS, but I'm wondering if > you can't use the Linux box as a file server and map that drive to your > Mac so it sees the Linux drive as a local drive. In theory that can be done, probably

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Graydon wrote: > Permit me to quote the Perl motto -- "There's more than one way to do > it." You're totally off the Wall now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Doug Franklin
Joseph McAllister wrote: Doesn't Lightroom allow you to set the organization of your imports up any way you want to? And doesn't it allow for keywords that will allow even further abilities to organizing, as well as searches for particular type, color, time, year, or other descriptive words?

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Doug Franklin
Adam Maas wrote: But I don't use extensive Metadata or keywording (and find such to be bloody annoying to add) which eliminates the advantages and magnifies the disadvantages of Lightroom. I don't even have time to mess with metadata, tagging, and such, when I'm trying to post 3,000 images fr

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: A number of people have complained about having to import data in Lightroom. I don't really see what the issue is. At some point you have to get the data off the card and onto your storage system. No you don't. Not for some purposes. Furthermore, even after copying a file from th

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Doug Franklin
Larry Colen wrote: Mac so it sees the Linux drive as a local drive. In theory that can be done, probably via samba. Dude, these days, the Samba solution goes in like a dream with pretty much any modern Linux distro. Based on my Linux experiences, it wouldn't surprise me if the Samba clie

RE: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Bob W
> > A number of people have complained about having to import > data in Lightroom. > > I don't really see what the issue is. At some point you > have to get the data > > off the card and onto your storage system. > > No you don't. Not for some purposes. > Such as? > Furthermore, even after c

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: Er, that's what Lightroom is for - files you want to keep. Or for files you just want to print. Say, a quick print, direct off the memory card, using the white balance, shadow and highlight recovery, gamma and curves tools in Lightroom. It would be really nice to be able to do

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
My files are simply organized by date shot as the folder name, followed by a few key words. If the folder hasn't been backed up yet, it carries a "b" prefix. Once I back it up, I remove the prefix. I manage the files with Bridge and find it all quite simple. I never have experienced a probl

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
2 ea 640 GB USB 2.0 drives for your iMac shouldn't set you back more than $200. RAID 1 them. http://go.iomega.com/en-us/products/factory-outlet/external-hard-drive-desktop-prestige/?partner=4760 On Apr 2, 2009, at 14:49 , Larry Colen wrote: Perhaps you can tell me how to handle an issue. My

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: RAW software One of my beefs with Import is that while it does handle copying directly off the card reasonably well, I doesn't handle images that are there already nearly as well. I'm still a heavy film shoo

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: RAW software Basically, when I tried it out, Lightroom got in my way at least as often as it helped me. The tools I already have work just fine with my preferred workflow, and don't make me jump through th

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:52:22PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: > Joseph McAllister wrote: > >> Doesn't Lightroom allow you to set the organization of your imports up >> any way you want to? And doesn't it allow for keywords that will allow >> even further abilities to organizing, as well as sea

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
And iPhoto 09 is yet another step up towards the Aperture feature set. http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/ On Apr 2, 2009, at 15:14 , Nick Wright wrote: iPhoto 7 is an immense improvement over previous versions. I find it does just about everything I need it to do. Joseph McAllister pentax..

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:39:18PM -0600, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" > Subject: Re: RAW software > > > >> Basically, when I tried it out, Lightroom got in my way at least as >> often as it helped me. The too

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:37 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: RAW software One of my beefs with Import is that while it does handle copying directly off the card reasonably well, I doesn't handle images that are there already near

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "John Francis" Subject: Re: RAW software You do know you can explicitly set the drive letter, I assume? I do, and I completely forgot that I could do it. Instead, I just let Lightroom chew away on the 19,000 or so images that are sitt

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 02:49:53PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > Problem 1) > A card may have several sessions from a day. Yesterday I shot some > flowers at the office, some farm machinery by the road and at a dance. > > I can create subdirectories, and move photos from the top level > directory

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > All you need to do is import in place on the scan files ... scan them into > the directory you want them to be placed in, then import. I use LR for all > my scanned images too. It does a very good job. I embed metadata at time of > impo

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: And, I don't know about Lightroom specifically, but with many of the "Library" oriented, database-based cataloging "solutions", God help you if you ever want to rearrange things on the file system after they're in the catalog. It's never a

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: My organizational needs are different between film and digital. I don't edit the files the same way, I can't usually organize film scans by the day they were shot and the day they were scanned is useless to me since I might have scanned a half-dozen

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: As to keyword metadata, frankly I find adding it annoying and using it of little use to me. I understand what value it can add, I just find using said capabilities to be something that doesn't work for me. I've got nothing agains keywording (Which Br

Re: RAW software

2009-04-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
Paul Stenquist wrote: My files are simply organized by date shot as the folder name, followed by a few key words. If the folder hasn't been backed up yet, it carries a "b" prefix. Once I back it up, I remove the prefix. I manage the files with Bridge and find it all quite simple. I never h

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
> > Basically, when I tried it out, Lightroom got in my way at > least as often > > as it helped me. The tools I already have work just fine with my > > preferred workflow, and don't make me jump through their > hoops to do what > > I want to do. And, I don't know about Lightroom > specific

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
> > > > And exactly what do I gain by importing them? Nothing except a file > management UI I don't like in the first place and metadata-based > searching I'll never use along with the need to import it in the first > place, which Bridge doesn't need to do. Not to mention the fact that > Bridge al

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: It's true that you have to do the import step for scanned files, and can't as Mark said, use LR's facilities without importing, but that's the way LR was designed to work from the beginning. Complaining about it is like complaining that a car is not as good as a pram because you hav

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
> > It's true that you have to do the import step for scanned > files, and can't > > as Mark said, use LR's facilities without importing, but > that's the way LR > > was designed to work from the beginning. Complaining about > it is like > > complaining that a car is not as good as a pram becaus

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: It's true that you have to do the import step for scanned files, and can't as Mark said, use LR's facilities without importing, but that's the way LR was designed to work from the beginning. Complaining about it is like complaining that a car is not as good as a pram because you

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: RAW software It isn't a false analogy - you just haven't grasped it! Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll convince me it's not a false analogy. Is there a

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: RAW software On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: As to keyword metadata, frankly I find adding it annoying and using it of little use to me. I understand what value it can add, I just find

RE: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Bob W
> > Anyway, here's a > > better one. You need a steamhammer for your work which > involves driving > > enormous piles into the ground. You also occasionally need > to tap a tack > > into a piece of wood. You complain because the steam > piledriver is no good > > at tapping little tacks into woo

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread John Graves
Speaking of Steamhammers...and piledrivers, I am still using PSE3. I am limited to adobe Camera Raw 3.6 (which I have installed)by PSE3. I have not seen any picture processing tools in any of the subsequent PSE or Camera Raw releases that warrant their purchase. It appears that the subsequent

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> As to keyword metadata, frankly I find adding it annoying and using it >> of little use to me. I understand what value it can add, I just find >> using said capabilities to be something th

Re: RAW software

2009-04-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: > Anyway, here's a better one. You need a steamhammer for your work which involves driving enormous piles into the ground. You also occasionally need to tap a tack into a piece of wood. You complain because the steam piledriver is no good at tapping little tacks into wood. Th

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