Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread William Robb
-- From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts Bob W, You need to tell this to the muslims. I heard they thought Jesus Christ was a minor profit, not their god. Other than being a major prophet, they are correct about Jesus

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:54 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: There were many reasons for the Crusades to Recapture the Holy Lands,  took place. snip Yeah, like lots of gold and riches to plunder... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
I kind of thought that was covered by the riches of the Jerusalem being being brought by the Pilgrims and the Younger sons of Nobility needing lands of their own. Of course the sack of Byzantium was all about riches, but still related... frank theriault wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:54

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Scott Loveless
On 8/17/10, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: And as has been stated many times, once the government can restrict the freedoms or speech of one group, it's a short step to restricting them for others. There are exceptions of course. So next time one walks by a tract passer or receives a

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Tom C
I can understand how you feel. I dislike the sometimes walls off Girl Scouts outside the local grocery stores. :-) I also get phone calls from the Idaho Falls (a city 200 miles away) Fraternal Order of Police, asking for donations. That happens several times a month. or several times a week.

RE: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Bob W
[...] Here in the Good Ol', the courts have pretty much decided that proselytizers enjoy the right to come and knock on your door without the fear of being prosecuted for trespass. Even if you tell them not to, or put up a sign specifically stating that you don't want them to bother you.

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Tom C
Why would that be an obstacle? As you know the earliest Christians were Jews, not to mention Christ himself. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: [...] Here in the Good Ol', the courts have pretty much decided that proselytizers enjoy the right to come and

RE: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Bob W
I have no idea. He is not Jewish in fact, but telling them so makes them stay away. Why would that be an obstacle? As you know the earliest Christians were Jews, not to mention Christ himself. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: [...] Here in the

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread mike wilson
Scott Loveless wrote: On 8/17/10, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: And as has been stated many times, once the government can restrict the freedoms or speech of one group, it's a short step to restricting them for others. There are exceptions of course. So next time one walks by a tract

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/8/10, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: The J-Dubs knock on my door twice a year. I always seem to be home. At first I politely declined their offer to read to me from that book they're always toting around. Then I told them that my own beliefs were solid and I wasn't in need of

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread eckinator
2010/8/18 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: You should come watch them try and convert my wife. After half an hour engaging them on the doorstep, they make excuses and leave. I think one or two have become Buddhists. My local butcher's wife tells the most ludicrous stories to telemarketers. Last time I

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread mike wilson
eckinator wrote: 2010/8/18 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: You should come watch them try and convert my wife. After half an hour engaging them on the doorstep, they make excuses and leave. I think one or two have become Buddhists. My local butcher's wife tells the most ludicrous stories to

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-08-18 14:25, eckinator wrote: My local butcher's wife tells the most ludicrous stories to telemarketers. http://www.419baiter.com http://www.419eater.com http://www.419hell.com and many, many more (do a web search for 419 scam bait). It's quite a widespread phenomenon, and some

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
I found that opening the door in a ratty blue robe, and a three day growth of beard caused them to leave and never come back... On 8/18/2010 9:56 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 8/17/10, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: And as has been stated many times, once the government can restrict the

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Adam Maas
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: On 2010-08-18 14:25, eckinator wrote: My local butcher's wife tells the most ludicrous stories to telemarketers. http://www.419baiter.com http://www.419eater.com http://www.419hell.com and many, many more (do

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Adam Maas
Best solution I've found is a Canon Lawyer/Theologian with a Greek/English New Testament. Having their somewhat unique take on Christian Theology torn to sheds by somebody well above their weight level tends to drive Jehovah's Witnesses to tears. Or to screaming fits. Thankfully I used to have

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-08-16 10:31, P. J. Alling wrote: I found that opening the door in a ratty blue robe, and a three day growth of beard caused them to leave and never come back... A ratty robe, several days growth of beard, and an empty gun belt worked OK, too. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
I forgot that it was two in the afternoon... On 8/18/2010 5:34 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-08-16 10:31, P. J. Alling wrote: I found that opening the door in a ratty blue robe, and a three day growth of beard caused them to leave and never come back... A ratty robe, several days growth

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:31 -0400, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I found that opening the door in a ratty blue robe, and a three day growth of beard caused them to leave and never come back... Yes, but wouldn't you have to know in advance when they were coming? Or do you

RE: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread Bob W
I found that opening the door in a ratty blue robe, and a three day growth of beard caused them to leave and never come back... Yes, but wouldn't you have to know in advance when they were coming? Or do you always look like that? :-) when he knows they're coming he leaves the

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Just lucky I guess. On 8/18/2010 6:08 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:31 -0400, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I found that opening the door in a ratty blue robe, and a three day growth of beard caused them to leave and never come back... Yes, but

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
John, I prefer to think of it as a missile toting congregation, a modern update of the Crusaders. Follow our god or die, infidel! Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bob Sullivan See Rick Wormer's picture of the church and missle...

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Adam Maas
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: CheekyGeek To those who have raised the freedom of religion issue with regard to a group's preaching/proselytizing I would only add this: the concept and exercise of Freedom of Religion is indeed a wonderful

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Tom C
Well stated Adam. And as you say it applies to not only religion but to virtually any aspect of speech under the sun. If one does a bit of research they'd find that groups like Jehovah's Witnesses, and particularly Jehovah's Witnesses have fought and won legal battles in the Supreme Court of The

RE: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Bob W
John, I prefer to think of it as a missile toting congregation, a modern update of the Crusaders. Follow our god or die, infidel! Regards, Bob S. The Crusades were not about converting people to Christianity, they were about trying to capture the so-called holy land from the Muslims.

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: John, I prefer to think of it as a missile toting congregation, a modern update of the Crusaders. Follow our god or die, infidel! Regards,  Bob S. The Crusades were not about converting people to Christianity, they were

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread CheekyGeek
A lot of people confuse the Crusades with the various Inquisitions. (Cue the Monty Python: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!) Darren Addy Kearney, NE -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread P. J. Alling
On 8/17/2010 1:59 PM, Bob W wrote: John, I prefer to think of it as a missile toting congregation, a modern update of the Crusaders. Follow our god or die, infidel! Regards, Bob S. The Crusades were not about converting people to Christianity, they were about trying to capture the

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bob W, You need to tell this to the muslims. I heard they thought Jesus Christ was a minor profit, not their god. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: John, I prefer to think of it as a missile toting congregation, a modern update of the

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/8/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: You need to tell this to the muslims. I heard they thought Jesus Christ was a minor profit, not their god. Yes yes yes but what did the Roman ever do for us. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche --

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread eckinator
2010/8/17 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Bob W, You need to tell this to the muslims. I heard they thought Jesus Christ was a minor profit, not their god. Any profit is better than a loss, I guess. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
A number of Crusades concentrated on sacking the heart of European civilization, Constantinople, and killing as many Orthodox Christians as possible. Dan There were some internal European crusades which were intended to eliminate heresy, eg against the Cathars in France, but by definition the

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
Oh we have a lot to thank the Romans for, and they discovered America too. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 17/8/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: You need to tell this to the muslims. I heard they thought Jesus Christ was a minor profit, not their

RE: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Bob W
they all worship the god of Abraham. Bob W, You need to tell this to the muslims. I heard they thought Jesus Christ was a minor profit, not their god. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: John, I prefer to think of it as a missile

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
Well so do I, but nobody would call me a Christian or a Moslem. (I'm a capitalist.) On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: they all worship the god of Abraham. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread John Sessoms
From: Adam Maas On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: CheekyGeek To those who have raised the freedom of religion issue with regard to a group's preaching/proselytizing I would only add this: the concept and exercise of Freedom of Religion is

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-08-17 21:57, John Sessoms wrote: ... you don't accost me, [...] and you DON'T PUT YOUR FUCKIN' HANDS ON ME! In all of the jurisdictions I'm familiar with, that's assault and chargeable. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: On 2010-08-17 21:57, John Sessoms wrote: ... you don't accost me, [...] and you DON'T PUT YOUR FUCKIN' HANDS ON ME! In all of the jurisdictions I'm familiar with, that's assault and chargeable. -- Thanks,

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-17 Thread John Sessoms
I apologize if my previous post on the subject appears intemperate. I was NOT referring to hypothetical situations, and they still get my blood boiling. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the

RE: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread Bob W
It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/distributors-of-tracts.html Comments always welcome. Nice shot that. It reminds me of the type of choreographed street scenes that Hitchcock and Truffaut did so well. Orson Wells too. Bob --

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread Tom C
So? What's your point? They're merely exercising the freedoms that are granted them by living in what we call a 'free society'. As you said, you're free to practice no religion or to hold no religious belief, but not to prevent others from doing so. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:34 PM, John

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread John Sessoms
justification for imposing their beliefs on others; for attempting to FORCE their beliefs on me. Too many instances where bigoted zealots won't accept NO, and won't leave me alone to go about my business. Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts So? What's your point? They're merely exercising the freedoms

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread Tom C
too many instances where freedom of religion is the true believer's justification for imposing their beliefs on others; for attempting to FORCE their beliefs on me. Too many instances where bigoted zealots won't accept NO, and won't leave me alone to go about my business. Re: PESO

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread CheekyGeek
I agree with Tom C's last comments. To those who have raised the freedom of religion issue with regard to a group's preaching/proselytizing I would only add this: the concept and exercise of Freedom of Religion is indeed a wonderful thing. However, for those who take Christ's command to Go

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread eckinator
2010/8/16 CheekyGeek cheekyg...@gmail.com: [...] However, for those who take Christ's command to Go therefore and preach personally upon themselves, their responsibility is no less in a country that has no such constitutional protections. Like the apostles of Jesus' day that were ordered by

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
alone to go about my business. Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts So? What's your point? They're merely exercising the freedoms that are granted them by living in what we call a 'free society'.  As you said, you're free to practice no religion or to hold no religious belief, but not to prevent

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread CheekyGeek
Yes and no. Romans 13: 1-7; I Timothy 2: 1,2; I Peter 2: 13-15 Excellent, Ecke! Let me rephrase then for clarity: A Christian is under a scriptural obligation to obey the secular rulers in all things, (Romans 13: 1-7; I Timothy 2: 1,2; I Peter 2: 13-15) EXCEPT those that would require them

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread eckinator
2010/8/17 CheekyGeek cheekyg...@gmail.com: Excellent, Ecke! Let me rephrase then for clarity: A Christian is under a scriptural obligation to obey the secular rulers in all things, (Romans 13: 1-7; I Timothy 2: 1,2; I Peter 2: 13-15) EXCEPT those that would require them to break a command

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread eckinator
You have to wonder though, does Romans 13: 1-7 speak volumes about the ethics of rulers of its era? And how does it feel to take it literally and think of your respective government (or one of another nation of your choosing)? Perhaps more politicians should read it (and not misconstrue it as

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: CheekyGeek To those who have raised the freedom of religion issue with regard to a group's preaching/proselytizing I would only add this: the concept and exercise of Freedom of Religion is indeed a wonderful thing. However, for those who take Christ's command to Go therefore and preach

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread P. J. Alling
In the public square everyone has a right to say anything they wish. Those rights may be trampled but they're still yours. If they follow you into your living room without invitation. You can punch them in the snoot for all I care. On 8/16/2010 8:29 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From:

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob Sullivan See Rick Wormer's picture of the church and missle... Except that the missile doesn't belong to the church. The missile was a gift to the town of Warren, NH, donated in honor of New Hampshire's then incumbent Senator, Norris Cotton, a Warren native. It's next to the

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-15 Thread eckinator
2010/8/13 Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com: Is it wrong to say Amen to that? Take the route of least resistance and say Amend to that ... Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread eckinator
Nice shot, might perhaps benefit from a tighter crop. Have to admit my favorite dists are Jay-Z's (his aka is Jay Hova) Witnesses who just stand there like a Watchtower and don't force their views on anyone ]=) Cheers Ecke 2010/8/13 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: It's a thankless job,

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread Jack Davis
Amazing composition! Jack --- On Fri, 8/13/10, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Distributors of Tracts To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 3:51 AM It's a thankless job, but

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread David J Brooks
Nice. Iike the geometry here, and how the people are situated. Dave On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:51 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/distributors-of-tracts.html Comments always

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
WHY does someone have to do it? Nice image, Frank. You caught great expressions on their faces. It is clear they are not being warmly received and are a bit discourages, but determined to soldier on. Dan On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:51 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: It's a

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread CheekyGeek
WHY does someone have to do it? Since you asked... Perhaps it is because they take being a follower of Jesus seriously: Jesus told his followers to “make disciples of people of all the nations,” and he set the example by “journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching and

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread eckinator
2010/8/13 CheekyGeek cheekyg...@gmail.com: WHY does someone have to do it? Since you asked... Perhaps it is because they take being a follower of Jesus seriously: Jesus told his followers to “make disciples of people of all the nations,” In the dark ages of christianity, make was taken

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:51, frank theriault wrote: It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/distributors-of-tracts.html Not sure of the comedian, but when I see people handing things out in the street, this is what comes to mind: when

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread John Sessoms
From: CheekyGeek WHY does someone have to do it? Since you asked... Perhaps it is because they take being a follower of Jesus seriously: Doesn't mean *I* have to take them seriously. First Amendment (yeah, I know they're in Canada and the US Constitution doesn't mean anything there ... but

Re: PESO - Distributors of Tracts

2010-08-13 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:34, John Sessoms wrote: From: CheekyGeek WHY does someone have to do it? Since you asked... Perhaps it is because they take being a follower of Jesus seriously: Doesn't mean *I* have to take them seriously. First Amendment (yeah, I know they're in Canada and the