From: Doug Franklin
John Sessoms wrote:
> You have to offer what the customer wants if you're going to shoot
> weddings.
Surely, and that's true of any business. However, one of the important
things that a lot of smaller businesses overlook is that some customers
are too expensive to keep.
John Sessoms wrote:
You have to offer what the customer wants if you're going to shoot
weddings.
Surely, and that's true of any business. However, one of the important
things that a lot of smaller businesses overlook is that some customers
are too expensive to keep. You lose on the back en
From: Bruce Dayton
It is one thing to be hard nosed with existing customers, but with
weddings, you are trying to get the booking. So what the brides are
looking for is all this 'artsy' stuff. Quite honestly, it is more a
female/male thing. Women are more into romantic, dreamy stuff and
men ar
I think those are two different issues - receiving payment vs "artsy"
stuff. How you do the work - your photographic style, quality of the
product, quality of your service, pricing vs budget, payment terms -
should be the issues of getting the booking. Being sure you hold the
couple to the t
and should be
PS> valuable to the customer as well.
PS> Over the years I've developed a few simple rules about payment
for my
PS> services. Occasionally I get soft hearted and bend those rules
- and
PS> almost invariably end up regretting it.
PS> -p
PS> William Rob
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
It is a bit like the Anne Geddes babies stuff - makes me
> want to wretch, yet my wife thinks it is very cute.
MARK!!
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s I've developed a few simple rules about payment for my
PS> services. Occasionally I get soft hearted and bend those rules - and
PS> almost invariably end up regretting it.
PS> -p
PS> William Robb wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan&
> Maybe that's
> what it is ... the stuff sticks to me first and doesn't get a chance
> to go after the camera. :-)
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William Robb wrote:
Six months later the bride's sister called me to do her wedding, and
would I
give her the same deal I gave her sister?
People are strange.
"Yeah, I'll tell you 'Fuck You' in /exactly/ the same tone of voice I
used with your father and sister."
There's a reason they call
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Sorenson"
Subject: Re: Film-days
Over the years I've developed a few simple rules about payment for my
services. Occasionally I get soft hearted and bend those rules - and
almost invariably end up regretting it.
The one and only
Gasha wrote:
I have huge sensor dust problem, with my last years archives.
Changing prime lenses causes dust to acumulate much faster.
And i like to travel to some wild places.
I probably should keep my stupid mouth shut, and avoid Tweaking the
Noses of the Gods, but ... I must be very fortun
William Robb wrote:
post process but not want to pay for it because they could do it themselves
in "just a few minutes at home".
Me: "OK, fine by me. Buy the DVD and Photoshop Elements and you can do
whatever you want with them on Uncle George's computer. If I do it for
you on my time and
In a message dated 2/5/2009 7:19:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
war...@gmail.com writes:
I can see that I am still happily in bed, and asleep.
William Robb
===
LOL. Right on.
Marnie :-)
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Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you ma
In a message dated 2/5/2009 7:08:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes:
I certainly hear what you are saying. I am seeing it get even worse
in the wedding industry concerning Post Process vs shooting. Not
only do the shots need to be technically correct, but I am see
From: "William Robb"
From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: Film-days
> Bill,
> Charge more for tricks.
That is the idea. Unfortunately, we are living in an era where everyone with
a computer is a self styled Photoshop master. We've had people want a trick
post
-p
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: Film-days
Bill,
Charge more for tricks.
That is the idea. Unfortunately, we are living in an era where everyone
with a computer is a self styled Photoshop master. We've had people want
a tr
Tell them if it's so easy do it them selves and you'll print it for them.
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>From: William Robb
>Sent: Feb 5, 2009 10:49 AM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: Film-days
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Bob Sulliv
Bill,
I hear you.
A friend has the best deal.
He shoots 'em. His wife edits and creates the albums.
And she likes that part!
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:49 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan"
> Subject: Re: Film-day
I have huge sensor dust problem, with my last years archives.
Changing prime lenses causes dust to acumulate much faster.
And i like to travel to some wild places.
Solution came as enablement just 1 month ago - Pentax 16-45 :)
Let's see...
On medium format film, dust is relatively small issue.
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: Film-days
Bill,
Charge more for tricks.
That is the idea. Unfortunately, we are living in an era where everyone with
a computer is a self styled Photoshop master. We've had people want a trick
post process
Bill,
Charge more for tricks.
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:17 AM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bruce Dayton"
> Subject: Re: Film-days
>
>
>> I certainly hear what you are saying. I am seeing it get even worse
>> in
- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Dayton"
Subject: Re: Film-days
I certainly hear what you are saying. I am seeing it get even worse
in the wedding industry concerning Post Process vs shooting. Not
only do the shots need to be technically correct, but I am seeing an
I certainly hear what you are saying. I am seeing it get even worse
in the wedding industry concerning Post Process vs shooting. Not
only do the shots need to be technically correct, but I am seeing an
increasing trend in 'artistic enhancement' becoming the norm and
expectation of the brides. Th
I see. But I wasn't going to scan film. If I was, I believe I'd stick to
digital photographing, cause your're right - film scanning is a very difficult
business.
My point og view was, that what the lab does, when making prints, is in
practice very similar to what I do, when I convert and edit RA
Thats true, Paul. I almost forgot :-)
Regards
Jens
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On Feb 3, 2009 19:10 "Paul Stenquist" wrote:
> I had almost forgotten about the scratching problem. (I'm blocking
> that bad memory:-) I was having a heck of a time trying to find an
Jens,
I was referring to dust on film scans ;-) The bane of any film shooter.
I've had little issue with sensor dust (if it exists, it's rarely more
than 1-2 spots) and none since getting a camera with an ultrasonic
dust-removal filter.
-Adam
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Jens wrote:
> Hi A
So do I, Bob.
But it's getting increasingly frustrating, that most people don't seem to
apprecieate all the hours of converting and editing digital shots. Most people
- that is amateur photographers/snap shooters don't edit their shots at all,
thus have no understanding of the time I spend editi
Hi Adam
It's true, that sensor dust is a problem.
I sometiimes deliver photographs with dust spots, and I tell my client, that I
will remove it fre of cost, once they know which shots are going to be used for
the publication. Dust is in fact an issue on film as well :-)
Regards
Jens
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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Bob W wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Bob, Are you telling me the M7's got menu hell?
>>
>> Yes, the software side is part of the camera UI and is where much of
>> the unavoidable part of the complexity sets in with digital.
>>
>
> M7?
>
> The M8 has a very good menu system. It's
> >
>
> Bob, Are you telling me the M7's got menu hell?
>
> Yes, the software side is part of the camera UI and is where much of
> the unavoidable part of the complexity sets in with digital.
>
M7?
The M8 has a very good menu system. It's simple and very easy to use.
The complexity sets in n
On Feb 3, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Feb 3, 2009, at 21:30, Stan Halpin wrote:
But the whole business was very solitary, asocial. I don't miss
that.
You make a good point. I did all of my stuff completely alone -
less than fun that way.
My first photo class at my H
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Bob W wrote:
>> The thing that I miss about film days is the simplicity, might I say
>> purity, of the camera's user interface.
>
> The complexity of the interface was not caused by digital photography. The
> Leica M8's interface is no more complex than its film pre
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From: "Doug Franklin"
Subject: Re: Film-days
William Robb wrote:
My wife says the same thing about my spending hours in front of a
monitor...
Yeah, but the monitor can host the PDML ... what darkroom can say that!?
:-)
She says the same thing
Bob W wrote:
> In the end only 2 things really matter: where you point the lens, and when
> you press the shutter. Beyond that you need to be able to control the size
> of the hole, how long you keep it open, what's in focus, and how sensitive
> the film/sensor is. That's 5 controls. Everyt
William Robb wrote:
My wife says the same thing about my spending hours in front of a
monitor...
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From: "Stan Halpin"
Subject: Re: Film-days
But the whole business was very solitary, asocial. I don't miss that.
My wife says the same thing about my spending hours in front of a monitor...
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On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 11:33:40PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:
# I agree. But there are situations where jpeg is called for. For
# example, where the money doesn't justify shooting RAW, and you
have to
# produce a lot of work. My VR client doe
It depends...
Maybe i have spent relatively little time in darkroom.
My daily work is computer related. High tech IT.
I eat computers, breath computers and sometimes have "sex" with them :)
Knowing all software bugs, errors and gliches, i simply do not trust.
Like Will Smith from "I Robot" :)
S
Everything else is froth.
Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
> Behalf Of Larry Colen
> Sent: 04 February 2009 01:01
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> Subject: Re: Film-days
>
> The thing that I miss about film days
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 11:33:40PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:
# I agree. But there are situations where jpeg is called for. For
# example, where the money doesn't justify shooting RAW, and you have to
# produce a lot of work. My VR client doesn't want photographers
# shooting RAW. The image
I agree. But there are situations where jpeg is called for. For
example, where the money doesn't justify shooting RAW, and you have to
produce a lot of work. My VR client doesn't want photographers
shooting RAW. The images are used low-res, time is critical, and money
is tight. But for my o
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 09:37:30PM -0600, Charles Robinson wrote:
# On Feb 3, 2009, at 21:30, Stan Halpin wrote:
# > But the whole business was very solitary, asocial. I don't miss
# >that.
# >
#
# You make a good point. I did all of my stuff completely alone - less
# than fun that way.
I m
I have to say whenever I give talks at camera clubs and the debate
between RAW vs. JPEG pops up I turn to my film experience days as a
reference.
Shooting in b/w with my own darkroom where I could push-pull the
film's sensitivity and dodge and burn in the printing process was
similar to shooting R
Ditto. I had forgotten. The one time I DID shoot B&W film I tried a
different downtown lab (they were supposed to good on B&W). The prints came
out all
scratched.
Luckily, for some reason, the negatives weren't.
Never did figure that one out. But I am not up on B&W printing. (I was
actu
On Feb 3, 2009, at 21:30, Stan Halpin wrote:
But the whole business was very solitary, asocial. I don't miss
that.
You make a good point. I did all of my stuff completely alone - less
than fun that way.
My first photo class at my High School was in a huge room which had
probably 12
In a message dated 2/3/2009 4:09:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes:
What Paul said.
Although I think I was doing film for only two years before going digital,
it, frankly, hoovered. No local lab did the colors in color prints the way I
thought they should (thou
I was in Grad School when I first started doing "real" photography.
The University had a camera club (automatic free membership to any
student who wanted it) with fully equipped studio space, several dark
rooms, storage lockers to keep your chemicals and paper if you didn't
want to use the
Ironically, I'm scanning some film tonight. Probably the first time in
a couple of years. I was looking through some negative envelopes
earlier today, and I ran across my trailer park shots. Looking at them
now, I realize I missed some of the better shots first time through.
So I'm having a
The thing that I miss about film days is the simplicity, might I say
purity, of the camera's user interface. Most of the time I'm totally
ambivalent about autofocus. Occasionally I find it handy, sometimes
I'll use it to prefocus when I can't see well enough to do a good job
manually. As to auto ex
On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
# As I just discovered recently, storing digital files on CDs for
more than a
# few years can be pretty iffy, even when using top end equipment
and media.
Multiple hard drives... Redundant data.
And archival prints.
Godfrey
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On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 12:47:26PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
# As I just discovered recently, storing digital files on CDs for more than a
# few years can be pretty iffy, even when using top end equipment and media.
A few years ago I thought about that problem and since film is much
better on o
I have a feeling that part of the nostalgia for film was the lack of
need to get your images right in the first place. Basically, the
wide latitude of print film allowed you to be quite sloppy in your
exposure and still produce good prints.
Since I mostly shot slide film during those 'wonderful'
On Feb 3, 2009, at 3:43 PM, William Robb wrote:
I'm with you Jens. Yes, I still had to edit the shots from film.
But there were a lot less of them. Due to the "zero marginal
supplies cost" nature of digital, I shoot several times as many
frames as before. Which severely multiplies the "
I shoot at least 300 exposures for each 7-room virtual reality tour I
do. I frequently do two a day, and quite often shoot 800 frames. I
shoot jpegs after setting color temperature and exposure very
carefully. For each tour, I upload 210 shots to the client's web site
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- Original Message -
From: "Doug Franklin"
Subject: Re: Film-days
I'm with you Jens. Yes, I still had to edit the shots from film. But
there were a lot less of them. Due to the "zero marginal supplies cost"
nature of digital, I shoot several times
Hello Jens,
Having done much event work - weddings, sports, etc, I fully
understand your issue with lots of images shot and needed processing.
What I am hearing you say is that you miss the days when the client
was willing to do more of the work that you now do in the digital
world. You take the
Jens wrote:
But I do not do artistic photography. I may do 800 aerial photographs
(exposures) in just one hour. In my opinion, noone appriciates all
the computerwork enough, to justify the many hours (dollars worth) of
editing, needed for finishing the job.
I'm with you Jens. Yes, I still had
I would definitely consider getting help for editing etc.
I do appriciate good editing. But my clients don't. I believe I make more money
with my camera than with my computer. Actually, outsoursing the computerwork
would be a good thing for me. I could take in more work that way.
Regards
Jens
-
I do get your point , Paul.
But I do not do artistic photography. I may do 800 aerial photographs
(exposures) in just one hour. In my opinion, noone appriciates all the
computerwork enough, to justify the many hours (dollars worth)of editing,
needed for finishing the job. It would be very tempti
quot;Larry Colen"
Subject: Re: Film-days
Hello
Sometimes I want the film-days back. Imagine how easy it is to shoot some
film and have a good lab develop the prints. The lab will darken the too
bright images, correct colors and brighten the to dark images. Then you
choose the 10 % best an
Hello Larry,
The best place to look into is the wedding world. Lots of relatively
consistent work, a need to fix lots of shots and the possibility of
building the cost into the price of the wedding. I know some wedding
photogs that already use someone with a skill set like hers.
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> Hello
> Sometimes I want the film-days back. Imagine how easy it is to shoot some
> film and have a good lab develop the prints. The lab will darken the too
> bright images, correct colors and brighten the to dark images. Then you
> choose the 10 % best and send them for scanning. Then you give t
I still shoot a lot of film. Love it. But the only thing I let anyone
else do is my colour developing. I handle everything else. And I spend
more time processing the film shots that are keepers than I do on the
digital shots that are keepers (Damned dust spotting)
-Adam
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:0
If you could get a good print, and if you could afford it. I prefer digital
for most things by a long way.
Bob
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> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
> Behalf Of Jens
> Sent: 03 February 2009 09:02
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> Subject: Fil
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Francis wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 06:49:08AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 1:02 AM, Jens wrote:
>>
>>> Sometimes I want the film-days back Those where the days, ehh?
>>
>> Nope, not for me.
>>
>> Godfrey
>
> Nor me.
>
Nor m
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From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Re: Film-days
I'd go back in a week and they'd be lovely (at least the printing
would be). Then I'd pay him $14 a print and take them home.
And there's the rub, right there in the last paragraph.
frank theriault wrote:
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Jens wrote:
Hello
Sometimes I want the film-days back. Imagine how easy it is to shoot some film
and have a good lab develop the prints. The lab will darken the too bright
images, correct colors and brighten the to dark images. Then you c
I had almost forgotten about the scratching problem. (I'm blocking
that bad memory:-) I was having a heck of a time trying to find an
affordable C41 lab that wouldn't scratch the film and render it
useless for scanning. (Or at least very difficult to fix.) The pro lab
that processed my 6x7
Den 3. feb.. 2009 kl. 16.44 skrev >:
William Robb wrote:
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From: "Jens"
Subject: Film-days
Hello
Sometimes I want the film-days back. Imagine how easy it is to
shoot some
film and have a good lab develop the prints. The lab will darken
the too
bright i
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 06:49:08AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> On Feb 3, 2009, at 1:02 AM, Jens wrote:
>
>> Sometimes I want the film-days back Those where the days, ehh?
>
> Nope, not for me.
>
> Godfrey
Nor me.
The first problem was finding somewhere that would develop your film
wit
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Dario Bonazza
wrote:
> What I miss about the film days has nothing to do with film.
MARK!
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What I miss about the film days has nothing to do with film.
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The thing I missed about the film days I missed long before they were over. I
had for a long time an available darkroom for B&W and could control printing,
(and in fact with Cibachrome you could produce reasonably good prints from
slides with the simplest darkroom setup, with a lot less control
On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:42, Bruce Dayton wrote:
HI don't miss dealing with proof books, I don't miss dealing
with wedding orders (massive amount of time), I don't miss the
inability to shoot on speculation (cost of goods prohibitive), I
don't miss wondering if I got the metering right in t
HI don't miss dealing with proof books, I don't miss dealing
with wedding orders (massive amount of time), I don't miss the
inability to shoot on speculation (cost of goods prohibitive), I
don't miss wondering if I got the metering right in tricky
situations, I don't miss shelling out lots
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Jens wrote:
> Hello
> Sometimes I want the film-days back. Imagine how easy it is to shoot some
> film and have a good lab develop the prints. The lab will darken the too
> bright images, correct colors and brighten the to dark images. Then you
> choose the 10 %
William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jens"
> Subject: Film-days
>
>
> > Hello
> > Sometimes I want the film-days back. Imagine how easy it is to shoot some
> > film and have a good lab develop the prints. The lab will darken the too
> > bright images, correct co
On Feb 3, 2009, at 1:02 AM, Jens wrote:
Sometimes I want the film-days back Those where the days, ehh?
Nope, not for me.
Godfrey
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If you mean have the lab fix your photos for you/do the hard
thinking/work...I am not sure. The photo labs in my neighborhood
never got it right. Although there was one lab which was predictable
in the way the crop and color balance that I began shooting my color
print photos with their quirk in
- Original Message -
From: "Jens"
Subject: Film-days
Hello
Sometimes I want the film-days back. Imagine how easy it is to shoot some
film and have a good lab develop the prints. The lab will darken the too
bright images, correct colors and brighten the to dark images. Then you
choose
On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Jens wrote:
Hello
Sometimes I want the film-days back. Imagine how easy it is to shoot
some film and have a good lab develop the prints. The lab will
darken the too bright images, correct colors and brighten the to
dark images. Then you choose the 10 % best and
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