Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:00 , David J Brooks wrote: You had modems? We had to implement RFC1149! We had slide rules, and I still have mine for power outages. Not quite as good a lightroom, but it gives you a decent sepia print. I still have my three slide rules. Shirt Pocket Motorola plastic,

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread David J Brooks
> You had modems? We had to implement RFC1149! > We had slide rules, and I still have mine for power outages. Not quite as good a lightroom, but it gives you a decent sepia print. Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pe

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:15:52PM -0500, Doug Franklin wrote: > Bruce Walker wrote: > >> *FAMILY* list? Holy crap! Then I'm glad I haven't stumbled onto the >> Adult PDML list. > > Minimum age for the APDML is 104. Hexadecimal. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/ma

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Doug Franklin
Bruce Walker wrote: *FAMILY* list? Holy crap! Then I'm glad I haven't stumbled onto the Adult PDML list. Minimum age for the APDML is 104. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, p

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Bill Owens
so all >> your files had to be saved on DECTape.  And that was on the main system; >> hard drives were too expensive to be put on satellite computers. Is that the same as Duct tape? ;-0 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE f

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, John Francis wrote: > 300 Baud? You was lucky!  We only had 110 Baud Modems.  And ASR-33 > terminals (the ARDS-1s and Tektronix 4010 Storage Tube displays were > upstairs in the main computer room). > Data-Pacs?  Removable drives?  Luxury!  We had one Burroughs ha

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 4, 2009, at 11:23 , Larry Colen wrote: 300 Baud? You was lucky! We only had 110 Baud Modems. And ASR-33 terminals (the ARDS-1s and Tektronix 4010 Storage Tube displays were upstairs in the main computer room). You had modems? We had to implement RFC1149! http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:57 , John Francis wrote: From memory, of course. Real programmers don't use documentation. (although in my case it was initially a PDP-8, not a PDP-11) Your narrative shows me you have much better recollection of the era than I. It was a zoo compared to even 20 year

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:57:46PM -0500, John Francis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:30:13AM -0800, Joseph McAllister wrote: > > > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 08:53 , Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: > > Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:42 , Bruce Walker wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles... Sorry, but "bootstrapping a PDP-11 with toggles" sounds like something too unsavory for a family list like this one. *FAMILY* lis

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:30:13AM -0800, Joseph McAllister wrote: > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 08:53 , Larry Colen wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: >>> Larry, >>> 35 years or so of the internet? >> >> OK, technically back then it was the arpanet. >> >>> In 1974 i

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Bruce Walker
Mark Roberts wrote: Joseph McAllister wrote: Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles... Sorry, but "bootstrapping a PDP-11 with toggles" sounds like something too unsavory for a family list like this one. *FAMILY* list? Holy crap! Then I'm glad I haven't stumbled o

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Ken Waller
Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: RE: Sliding down the bestseller list... What amazes me is how many publish their own books. We're differen

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:30:13AM -0800, Joseph McAllister wrote: > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 08:53 , Larry Colen wrote: > > >On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: > >>Larry, > >>35 years or so of the internet? > > > >OK, technically back then it was the arpanet. > > > >>In 19

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Joseph McAllister wrote: Sure, if you were into bootstrapping a PDP-11 with the toggles... Sorry, but "bootstrapping a PDP-11 with toggles" sounds like something too unsavory for a family list like this one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/p

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 4, 2009, at 08:53 , Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: Larry, 35 years or so of the internet? OK, technically back then it was the arpanet. In 1974 it was TTY terminals and time sharing. And your point? Personal computers were a hobb

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:19:22AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Larry, > 35 years or so of the internet? OK, technically back then it was the arpanet. > In 1974 it was TTY terminals and time sharing. And your point? > Personal computers were a hobbiest thing. People had computers at work and s

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 08:26:54AM -, Bob W wrote: > > What amazes me is how many publish their own books. > > > > We're different from a lot of them in that we are a group, > > that could be the > > staff pick thing. > > > > Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. No

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Bob W wrote: >> What amazes me is how many publish their  own books. >> >> We're different from a lot of them in that we are a group, >> that could be the >> staff pick thing. >> > > Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. Were does that leave Cot

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote: On 3/3/09, Larry Colen wrote: In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, or bottom posting, has been considered impolite, that what one should do is trim away anything not relevent and reply in context. More specifically, after trimming the

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Scott Loveless
On 3/3/09, Larry Colen wrote: > In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, > or bottom posting, has been considered impolite, that what one should > do is trim away anything not relevent and reply in context. More specifically, after trimming the cruft one should re

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Bob Sullivan
Larry, 35 years or so of the internet? In 1974 it was TTY terminals and time sharing. Personal computers were a hobbiest thing. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > In short, for most of the 35 or so years of the internet, top posting, > or bottom posting, has be

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: ...maybe the good lord just hates puppies. A possibility I hadn't considered. Bob W provides a fresh perspective as usual! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link direct

RE: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Bob W
> >> > > You know, if I had known /The Puppy Way to Pray/ had even a > chance of > > beating our book, I never would have bought it. And really, it was > > just an okay read. But I have to admit, the puppy kneeling > like that > > with its paws clasped was some powerful imagery. > > Paul >

RE: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Bob W
> What amazes me is how many publish their own books. > > We're different from a lot of them in that we are a group, > that could be the > staff pick thing. > Everyone else is vain, but the PDMLers are just talented. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mail

RE: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-04 Thread Bob W
> > ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured > > One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's > stroke the > egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, > wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:39:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, l...@red4est.com writes: Believe me, I've been received many complaints on list for bottom posting. For me, either top posting or bottom posting is okay, I don't mind scrolling. In line, I may miss comments. Each group has its

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:55:42PM -0500, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/3/2009 7:26:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > l...@red4est.com writes: > > Marnie BTW, niggly little point, but you were being pedantic the other day > about minty. :-) Could you change your email previ

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/3/2009 8:14:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured > > One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates int

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Sliding down the bestseller list... On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blu

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, wouldn't it?

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Mar 3, 2009, at 18:42 , Mark Roberts wrote: ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured Yes, we're #1! Of 1089 books in Staff Picks. One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some mo

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/3/2009 7:26:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, l...@red4est.com writes: Been there, done that: http://red4est.com/pdapi I've been teaching performance driving for a car club for about 20 years. Back around '92 I put together some teaching notes, gave a copy to the guy that r

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:10:55PM -0500, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: # = # What amazes me is how many publish their own books. Been there, done that: http://red4est.com/pdapi I've been teaching performance driving for a car club for about 20 years. Back around '92 I put together some te

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/3/2009 6:43:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, msrobert...@ysu.edu writes: but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some mone

Re: Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:42:51PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: > ...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured > > One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the > egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cyni

Sliding down the bestseller list...

2009-03-03 Thread Mark Roberts
...but at least we're a "Staff Pick" as well now: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/featured One might suspect that "Staff Picks" translates into "Let's stroke the egos of those who've made us some money", but that would be cynical, wouldn't it? (I grudgingly note that most of the other books on t