[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2019-05-14 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
These are recent things that are all comments on CP references. WHY C. S. PEIRCE REPLACES ARISTOTLE: GROUNDS OF THE CURRENT REVOLUTION (TRIA... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RSSZLWP/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_lMW2CbYQFR005 via @amazon WHY C. S. PEIRCE MATTERS: TRIADIC THINKING AND THE SEMIOTIC AGE (TRI

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
Nietzsche hugged an abused horse, and went mad? Wasnt there also a tale by Dostoyevski about somebody helping a beaten horse? Anyway, i hope I was not patronizing with my bringing down to earth. I guess "down to earth" means a scale jump from big to small scale. I guess, values can be valued by obs

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-26 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
I meant Nietzsche went mad hugging the horse. amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:51 PM Stephen Curtiss Rose wrote: > I am very glad you are bringing this down to earth. You are right to flag > evil and injustice. Neither is the strong suit of academic philosophy. > Sadly I

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-26 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
I am very glad you are bringing this down to earth. You are right to flag evil and injustice. Neither is the strong suit of academic philosophy. Sadly I could "out" Peirce and Wittgenstein, neither of whom were without filmclips that would make them worse than Nietzsche who after all went man huggi

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
I agree, but before everybody can pursue beauty, truth, and enlightenment, everybody should be granted to have a life. Some days ago, a participant of the education outfit I work in has been expelled with her family from Germany to Montenegro. She neither has a german, nor a montenegronian passport

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-25 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
I am gratified at this understanding which indicates to me the relevance of the triadic approach. I am still a babe in the woods regarding this thinking though I know how it started. At this point if I had a large pedestal I would make room on it for Peirce, Berkeley, Wittgenstein and Nietzsche --

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-25 Thread Helmut Raulien
I see. In your post you also spoke of information as the basic stuff of the universe. So perhaps "spirit (or mind) - matter - information" might be seen as a triad? To see matter-mind as a dyad brings a bout the hen-and-egg-problem, as realists see matter as primordinal, and mind as its epiphenom

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-22 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
Realism appears to me to the basis of dominant science -- deriving truth from material. Idealism rejects that. If opposition is conceded they form a binary that triadic thinking questions (perhaps as you do). But my conclusion would be to try to see what unifies them and what if anything would have

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-22 Thread Helmut Raulien
Stephen, list, I usually don´t feel that one ideationally should hop to and fro betweeen physics (Einstein, quantum theory) and philosophy (triadic thinking), firstly because they are different starting points, and secondly because Einstein was rather a wave-man, and was quite suspicious about qu

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Realism and Idealism

2018-11-16 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
My sense of things has changed as I have delved more deep;y into thinking related to Idealism and quantum matters. I think Peirce was a realist trapped in a realist's body as it were. I think there is enough cogency in idealism to require that it be honored as at least worthy of being unified with

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Evolved – A Universal Way

2018-10-20 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
1. Triadic philosophy is a universal way of living consciously. It boils down to 25 keywords that forms the basis for DIY spirituality. It starts with the person and fans out to all there is. Triadic philosophy assumes we can choose the values we live by. It centers on life as we live it as spiri

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2018-06-25 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
https://twitter.com/stephencrose/status/1011282261528936449 This will get you to a just posted video that basically suggests that science's current project of reducing quantum understanding to the limits of the Copenhagen understanding is doomed longterm. It seems to me Peirce long ago perceived

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Values Trump Virtues

2017-01-27 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Why I Go for Values over Virtues A fellow admirer of Peirce who has written extensively about his thought has questioned my distinction between values and virtues. I have seen virtues as Aristotle’s list of such terms as honor, prudence and courage. There is no real inter

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy and Pragmaticism

2017-01-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Stephen, List: Thanks for the reminder. Was there something specific that prompted you to post it at this time? Do you think that some of us are guilty of failing to maintain that distinction in some of our own posts? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amate

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy and Pragmaticism

2017-01-09 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The following is from the valuable CP an online PDF that contains eight sections of the voluminous writings of Charles Sanders Peirce. In these very words you will find the germ of a philosophy that I found more than helpful for us all as we face the future. First the Pragmatic Maxim: 'The exact

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2016-11-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2016-11-04 Thread Anny Ballardini
I think this is a wonderful bouquet. Hopefully also the others will appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 4, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: > > This is the intro to an attempt to articulate what I have been working on. It > is clearly not germane but Gary kindly offered me a n

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2016-11-04 Thread Stephen C. Rose
*This is the intro to an attempt to articulate what I have been working on. It is clearly not germane but Gary kindly offered me a nest in this forum where what I did would a place to be.* *BOUQUET* *My Philosophy* *INTRODUCTION* *This bouquet is just a cluster among many. Most of those who hav

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Works in All Contexts

2016-07-04 Thread kirstima
Stephen, I very good & most relevant quote you provided. Kirsti Stephen C. Rose kirjoitti 3.7.2016 15:00: The reasoning of Triadic Philosophy works in all contexts. This is a remarkable claim in a world where the barriers between disciplines grow higher and it is hard to have discussions becaus

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Works in All Contexts

2016-07-03 Thread Jerry Rhee
Stephen, list, Someone complained to me that the problem isn’t that triadic philosophy is great, ubiquitous, correct or whatever… It’s that the matter is so vague and therefore contentious, it’s not entirely helpful. They don’t know how to distinguish an argument for its completeness, which l

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Works in All Contexts

2016-07-03 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The reasoning of Triadic Philosophy works in all contexts. This is a remarkable claim in a world where the barriers between disciplines grow higher and it is hard to have discussions because their languages and usages differ. But the power of Triadic Philosophy is precisely due to the universality

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Thinking is an Adventure

2016-01-14 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Well with the happy advent of a trickle of light on the matter of the academic captivity of philosophy I thought I would add this note from my continuing Medium series Logic is Good I have images of Peirce derived mainly from my own memories. Oh yes, there is the Brent biography, useful to me beca

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Says Consciousness Is Logical

2015-12-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Goodbye, Charles. This is not the end. But today we diverge. Reading Peirce’s note below, you will find that consciousness is not regarded as intrinsic to logic. Knowledge and inference are. But not consciousness. Triadic Philosophy holds that consciousness is the condition under which logic can f

SV: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread Søren Brier
Søren Fra: John Collier [mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za] Sendt: 30. december 2015 19:43 Til: Søren Brier; Stephen C. Rose; Peirce List Emne: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign That would be a good focus for an issue. I do think that Peirce has a lot to say about it. I have argued

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
http://web.ncf.ca/collier > > > > *From:* Søren Brier [mailto:sb@cbs.dk] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 December 2015 8:23 PM > > *To:* John Collier; Stephen C. Rose; Peirce List > *Subject:* SV: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign > > > > Dear John > > > >

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread John Collier
irce List Emne: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign Yes. We’ve discussed this before here. We disagree on the usefulness of phenomenology and hermeneutics for dealing with the problem. I also think that he informational approach by itself is insufficient. I think we need to understand the dyna

SV: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread Søren Brier
: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign Yes. We’ve discussed this before here. We disagree on the usefulness of phenomenology and hermeneutics for dealing with the problem. I also think that he informational approach by itself is insufficient. I think we need to understand the dynamics involve

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
mber 2015 4:33 PM > > *To:* John Collier; Stephen C. Rose; Peirce List > *Subject:* SV: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign > > > > Dear John > > > > I agree on the irreducibility of the sign triad. My main point is that we > do not from the material, energetic or the

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread John Collier
; Stephen C. Rose; Peirce List Subject: SV: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign Dear John I agree on the irreducibility of the sign triad. My main point is that we do not from the material, energetic or the informational ontology worldview have any idea of how it could emerge from that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
non-materialist view (idealist or neutral) > there is still a problem of how local consciousness emerges. But I think > that from our previous discussions we might disagree about that last point. > > > > John Collier > > Professor Emeritus, UKZN > > http://web.ncf.c

SV: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread Søren Brier
not. Søren Fra: John Collier [mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za] Sendt: 30. december 2015 11:01 Til: Søren Brier; Stephen C. Rose; Peirce List Emne: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign Søren, I have argued for some time that if Peircean thirds are irreducible they must be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
cussions we might disagree about that last point. > > > > John Collier > > Professor Emeritus, UKZN > > http://web.ncf.ca/collier > > > > *From:* Søren Brier [mailto:sb....@cbs.dk] > *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 December 2015 6:50 PM > *To:* John Collier; Stephe

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-30 Thread John Collier
http://web.ncf.ca/collier From: Søren Brier [mailto:sb@cbs.dk] Sent: Tuesday, 29 December 2015 6:50 PM To: John Collier; Stephen C. Rose; Peirce List Subject: SV: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign Dear John and Stephen I think there is an ontological difference between your views as Deacon

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-29 Thread Stephen C. Rose
m > I wrong? > > > > Best > > Søren > > > > > > *Fra:* John Collier [mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za] > *Sendt:* 29. december 2015 04:13 > *Til:* Stephen C. Rose; Peirce List > *Emne:* RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign > > > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-29 Thread Stephen C. Rose
and Biosemiotics, Biosemiotics 11), though I > didn’t know about his work at the time. > > > > John Collier > > Professor Emeritus, UKZN > > http://web.ncf.ca/collier > > > > *From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, 29 Decem

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-28 Thread John Collier
://web.ncf.ca/collier From: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 December 2015 3:47 AM To: Peirce List Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign I see a sign as something that emerges in the vague penumbra called First or by me Reality. It is named and acquires identity

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Sign

2015-12-28 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I see a sign as something that emerges in the vague penumbra called First or by me Reality. It is named and acquires identity rising from its primal being. It naturally encounters a blunt index of truths which I call Ethics (Second) and is composed of Values (not virtues) and from there it passes t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus and the Pragmatic Maxim

2015-04-30 Thread Anny Ballardini
Buddhism is consistent with biosemiotic principles. In > Buddhism, there is no anthropocentric devil... but there is karma (culture) > as nature’s way of exacting reward or punishment, heaven or hell. sj > > > > *From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] > *Sent

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus and the Pragmatic Maxim

2015-04-29 Thread Helmut Raulien
s between ways of communication in groups of people. Cheers, Helmut   Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. April 2015 um 17:47 Uhr Von: "Stephen C. Rose" An: "Stephen Jarosek" Cc: "Peirce List" Betreff: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus and the Pragmatic Maxim Hi Stephe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus and the Pragmatic Maxim

2015-04-29 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 April 2015 11:48 AM > *To:* Peirce List > *Subject:* [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus and the Pragmatic Maxim > > > > Jesus was 2000 years ahead of Peirce > > > > What is the pragmatic maxim but >

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus and the Pragmatic Maxim

2015-04-29 Thread Stephen Jarosek
m, there is no anthropocentric devil... but there is karma (culture) as nature's way of exacting reward or punishment, heaven or hell. sj From: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2015 11:48 AM To: Peirce List Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus an

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2015-04-27 Thread Stephen C. Rose
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[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Open Source Individuals

2015-04-25 Thread Stephen C. Rose
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[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I miss the posts of some who have been here but are evidently sitting out current conversations. I think I sense why. Both here and in Peirce himself. There are two forces at work. One is the self-described bohemian who would be more of an iconoclast save for his heritage which may have influenced

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2015-04-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Ontology consists of what is necessary for the achievement of the fusion of truth and beauty. Books http://buff.ly/15GfdqU - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupu

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Barbara

2015-04-08 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Barbara is the stone-deaf heroine of my novella Aesthetics is All: Almost A Murder Mystery http://buff.ly/1CojWMH Since my philosophical efforts have not met with a groundswell of interest, I thought a novella whose heroine is named for a syllogism might be a welcome respite. Books http://buff.

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus and the Pragmatic Maxim

2015-04-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Jesus was 2000 years ahead of Peirce What is the pragmatic maxim but the statement that by our fruits we are known Jesus was 2000 years ahead of what Peirce insisted was the means of knowing things called scientific method How so By showing the utility of sharing and measuring the results down

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - The Answer to Ex Nihilo

2015-03-30 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Nice :-) On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: > The answer to ex nihilo > is not that hard to find > First scuttle all our disciplines > Yes leave them all behind > Next think about it for a while > you're bound to think of something > Wait I just did it esto style! > There n

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - The Answer to Ex Nihilo

2015-03-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The answer to ex nihilo is not that hard to find First scuttle all our disciplines Yes leave them all behind Next think about it for a while you're bound to think of something Wait I just did it esto style! There never was a nothing Books http://buff.ly/15GfdqU - PEIRC

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Accepting Mystery

2015-03-22 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Accepting mystery is saying I don't know when it comes to questions about prime movers and such. It is not saying there was nothing before the cosmos. Or there is no edge to the cosmos. Or there is no other cosmos. All statements that could be imagined or surmised without denying the mystery. We sh

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Behind Freedom

2015-03-21 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Behind freedom there lies thought when we consider matter a move that's free is still provided for Someone or something has set rules just now beyond our ken All we can do is bow to them not knowing why or when Books http://buff.ly/15GfdqU - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Cli

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Before Matter, Mind and Time

2015-03-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
What existed before matter, mind and time is mystery and most probably will remain so. It is what existed, perhaps, behind the flames of the Burning Bush, which is the way Old Testament writers described the mystery that Moses perceived. To one who asks why, remember: "I am who I am and I will be w

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy There Is No Future for Religion

2015-03-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
There is no future for religion not merely because it cannot be scientifically validated but because religions are by definition a plurality of separate faiths most of whom claim universality, an impossibility in itself. There is a scientifically validated future for spirituality which can and doe

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy -- Solipsism

2015-03-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I have not posted to the main threads for several reasons, mainly to make it clear that premises I present are based on what I call Triadic Philosophy which is my extension of what I take from Peirce into streams of thinking that I have developed over time. But I find myself wanting to affirm the

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - What's Universal?

2015-02-14 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Any pattern that is repeated everywhere Anything ontological I would hazard universal values and anything teleological That about does it - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peir

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2015-02-14 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Universal Good and Evil: Parsing The Twenty Values We All Live By http://buff.ly/1zCFmnA - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a mes

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy How Many Generals Are There?

2015-01-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I see this question raised and I have raised it too How many things of which we speak are universal and binding within reality Reality understood as what we know and do not know but which we infer to be knowable The more I have thought of this the more I have come to sense that tables and chairs an

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Sham Reasoning

2015-01-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Peeking ahead breaks the rules, Peirce says, in the quotation below. The person of true reason experiments in real time. Nowness rules. The result emerges. It is not known in advance. How does this relate to Triadic meditation which is generally an inquiry into a particular matter. The most salie

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Creeping Mechanism

2015-01-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
These days it sometimes seems talk about thought is predicated on the notion that it is an entirely mechanical process The mind is a most marvellous machine but unlike a computer the mind is also conscious meaning incipiently free to denote, choose, designate and all the other things that add up t

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Getting There

2015-01-26 Thread paul eduardo
-L] Triadic Philosophy - Getting There Does Peircean thought lead to conclusions that result in practical expressions and actions? Even if it could not be shown in a particular way, isn't that the acknowledged end of pragmaticism? Isn't it possible to evolve triadic means of a

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Getting There

2015-01-25 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Does Peircean thought lead to conclusions that result in practical expressions and actions? Even if it could not be shown in a particular way, isn't that the acknowledged end of pragmaticism? Isn't it possible to evolve triadic means of arriving at expressions and actions?

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Related Kindle Works

2015-01-21 Thread Stephen C. Rose
As Triadic Philosophy Develops it becomes easier to share and to teach. This book can be read with profit by anyone, but if you wish to edge into the subject here is the order you should explore: Triadic Values Starter Kit http://buff.ly/15tUoou Changing Your Heart and Mind: Triadic Philosophy in

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Inherent transformation

2015-01-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Triadic Philosophy is transformative. Here are some ways. Continuity is applicable to all realty so we are all on a trip Fallibility is our default so our truths are always tentative The only way to benefit within reality is to understand how things are How things are is that we live in reality We

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Ethics and Universals

2015-01-19 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Triadic Philosophy suggests that ethics should be the index, the middle, in conscious considerations. It reserves the term ontological to denote what is universal; in the sense of a teleology. What is universal are good values. They transcend because they are part of what we infer to be reality its

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2015-01-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
We've batted this around and I have been roundly criticized for this position but I still maintain that reality is all known and not known. We live within it. It is from our POV a state of finitude. It renders everything within it subject to finite means of dealing with it. I do not see how we can

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - What Mathematics Is and What It is Not

2015-01-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I have committed to remaining within this thread so as not to muddy anything up with tangent statements. What I say here is aimed at stimulating talk about what I intend as Triadic Philosophy. But it seems to me that when I find lines that express what I believe, they should be placed here from tim

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Good and Evil

2015-01-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Because I finally see the major stream of this list moving in the direction of good and evil I want to share the following chapter from Changing Your Heart and Mind: Triadic Philosophy in A Nut Shell http://buff.ly/1B22XBV I assume no one has read this book which is available for about one thir

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Back to The Drawing Board

2015-01-16 Thread Stephen C. Rose
My little thread on Meta and Index had the supreme irony of being diverted into exactly the sort of thing I was trying to suggest was not what Triadic Philosophy is about. It can be summed up with a few words - the quote that I give to my hero(ine) in my novella The Last Drop. I puzzle, therefore

Re: [biosemiotics:7906] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread Gary Richmond
, open, flexible and adaptive. That's why there is both the Dynamic >>> Object (DO) AND the Immediate Object - which already means that the data >>> from the DO has been transformed within the ground of the Representamen. >>> And that's why there are THREE In

Re: [biosemiotics:7906] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread Gary Richmond
esentamen. >> And that's why there are THREE Interpretants (Immediate, Dynamic and >> Final). And that's why the Representamen - and all the other nodes - have >> three modalities. A commutative triangle doesn't have the flexible adaptive >> and networking capa

Re: [biosemiotics:7906] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
eircean semiosis. There's no point in further 'discussion'. Edwina - Original Message - From: Sungchul Ji To: biosemiotics ; PEIRCE-L Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:22 PM Subject: [biosemiotics:7906] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index Edwin

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread Sungchul Ji
n't have the flexible adaptive > and networking capacities of the Peircean Sign. > > No, I do NOT denote the 'tails, lines of identity, correlates, relations' > as signs (lower case). Never. I told you instead that Peirce, in his > writings, often referred to the above (ta

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread Edwina Taborsky
T denote the 'tails, lines of identity, correlates, relations' as signs (lower case). Never. I told you instead that Peirce, in his writings, often referred to the above (tails, lines of identity, correlates, relations) as such, but he did not mean that term as a semiosic Sign, which is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread Gary Richmond
Markku wrote: I suggest that you, Sung, should first clearly explicate how you understand peircean sign and its use in some context and then point out if you think it leads to the wrong interpretations of some domain - and then explicate how your own conception works better and how it differs from

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread marccu s
I suggest that you, Sung, should first clearly explicate how you understand peircean sign and its use in some context and then point out if you think it leads to the wrong interpretations of some domain - and then explicate how your own conception works better and how it differs from peircean se

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread Sungchul Ji
Edwina, lists, Ew: 3) Your assertion that Peirce is 'not the only scholar of signs' is yet another empty and specious argument, Sung: So am I right to assume then that you think Peirce is the only important scholar of signs and hence reading him is all you need to understand what a sign is ? E

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Meta and Index

2015-01-15 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I send posts here. I assume when nothing shows up in my inbox it is because there has been no response. Which is not a problem. I mention it merely to ascertain that this is why I do not see responses. This would be as it should be as this is a tiny stream next to what has been a veritable river of

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Logical Goodness

2014-12-26 Thread Stephen C. Rose
This title from Peirce is alluring in this season. Rather than suggest how Triadic Philosophy thinks of this, I believe the following from Peirce may suggest the ground from which this notion springs. Peirce states: §3. LOGICAL GOODNESS 137. The ground is now cleared for the anal

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Bedrock Phenomenology

2014-12-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Is Triadic Philosophy a track worth the traveling? Today I got a comment regarding the text noted below that said in part "Peirce's three categories as phenomenological bedrock has not been exploited, in my opinion ..." This seems to me to underline the possibility that by employing the terms Icon

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Conveyance Within Triads

2014-12-19 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I suppose the best thing about Pierce was that he thought in threes. When it comes to how this actually takes place in the real world I have a sense of a line in the sand between the sorts of abstract thinking that take place beyond the ordinary world of this and that. In the latter world Triadic P

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Is Triadic Thinking Conscious?

2014-12-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I will ponder that. My own sense is that whatever Peirce may have meant his triadic structure functions consciously to generate expressions and actions that would not exist were the process binary, allowing only for an either or and or. It seems to me that however a sign is generated it is not a fu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Is Triadic Thinking Conscious?

2014-12-18 Thread Jack Curtis
I think Peirce felt we feel our way to the truth, all the way from the tiny metaphors of symbolic process thru the big metaphors we construct conciously. Freedom of choice comes in thru imagination, which I don't think Peirce addressed much, but we can still feel our various imaginings, & pick the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Is Triadic Thinking Conscious?

2014-12-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Thanks very much. If your answer is correct then I guess the question (for me) is where freedom kicks in. Triadic Philosophy, infant though it is, senses that conscious thought is real and that it is the only arena within a small band of freedom holds sway, and that that is in the capacity to cho

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Is Triadic Thinking Conscious?

2014-12-17 Thread Jack Curtis
Whitehead's dismissal of Peirce's notion that we think in symbols as 'absurd' suggests to me that the answer is 'no'. Peirce seemed to think that meaning was conveyed subconciously as "forms" which served as elements in the semi-conscious process of creating & manipulating metaphores which, in turn

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Is Triadic Thinking Conscious?

2014-12-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Discussions of signs, semiosis and triadic thinking leave me pondering questions like this: Is the articulation of semiosis conscious? It would seem the answer is yes. Semiosis is something we infer even though what we are inferring has reality in itself. Is triadic thinking conscious? Again I wo

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Binary Discourse

2014-12-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
ctually, as you point out, very common. Edwina - Original Message - From: Stephen C. Rose To: Peirce List Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:21 PM Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Binary Discourse One of the practices of Triadic Philosophy is to be sensitive to bi

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Binary Discourse

2014-12-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
One of the practices of Triadic Philosophy is to be sensitive to binary discourse. It crops up all over and academic venues are hardly immune to it. In fact we are all guilty, if you count it harmful to judge someone wrong and yourself right, with no qualification, no admission of fallibility and n

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - The General

2014-12-08 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Thus Peirce: ... the general is not capable of full actualization in the world of action and reaction but is of the nature of what is thought, but that our thinking only apprehends and does not create thought, and that that thought may and does as much govern outward things as it does our thinking

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Tangental Image

2014-12-07 Thread Stephen C. Rose
SETTING 1 Pouring out my soul into the void never knowing what will come of it a strange light rises up and takes ahold of me and I can almost reach the fabled edge [image: Embedded image permalink] ---

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Sorting Us Out

2014-12-04 Thread Fischer, Iris Smith
nk.net>> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 at 10:42 AM To: "Stephen C. Rose" mailto:stever...@gmail.com>>, CSP mailto:PEIRCE-L@list.iupui.edu>> Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Sorting Us Out Stephen, List: Peirce says somewhere else that the poet and the ph

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Sorting Us Out

2014-12-03 Thread Michael Shapiro
called artistic consciousness is. Peirce is never very penetrating when talking about art and poetry (just as he is seriously deficient when it comes to ethics).-Original Message- From: "Stephen C. Rose" Sent: Dec 3, 2014 10:07 AM To: Peirce List Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Sorting Us Out

2014-12-03 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Thus Peirce: If we endeavor to form our conceptions upon history and life, we remark three classes of men. The first consists of those for whom the chief thing is the qualities of feelings. These men create art. The second consists of the practical men, who carry on the business of the world. The

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Practice

2014-12-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Like it or not, Peirce was an iconoclastic and acerbic Christian. Had he delved into theology and church history more than he did, he would doubtless have arrived at ample bases for what is implicit in his own understanding. He is agnostic about supposition and a stickler for proofs. The problem he

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-11-29 Thread Stephen C. Rose
First is experience in Triadic Philosophy under the heading Reality. It is the starting point of conscious thinking. It is inevitably identified, generally with a name. Thus a vague and amorphous anxiety could become Writing My Book. This is a happening within a first - this straining of feeling in

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Life Boundaries

2014-11-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Triadic Philosophy has at present no knowledge enabling it to assume a boundary to life itself or in fact to the life of any entity to whom life might be attributed such as ourselves or other beings that have mass and movement. It does however recognize the likelihood that we (living creatures) re

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Continuity Continued

2014-11-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The main reason I prefer my triad is that I believe philosophy has given short shrift to ethics and aesthetics in addition to closeting itself in academe - hardly its fault but the result is a disaster given the present low estate of public discourse. Also it avoids binary oppositions. Books http:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Continuity Continued

2014-11-18 Thread Sungchul Ji
(If Figure 1 is distorted, please search for an undistorted version under the RPM model in these lists.) Stephen, lists, In agreement with Spinoza, I believe that REALITY is Infinite. As such it could be "modeled" in more than one way --- e.g., as a triad of Reality (a sign of REALITY), Ethics,

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Continuity Continued

2014-11-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Continuity in Triadic Philosophy makes no effort to establish itself as a mathematical certainty. In reality which is all everything is a mite unsettled simply because of the plethora of different ways we have of looking at things and the difficulty we have in seeing things in the first place. Tria

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Reality and Mystery

2014-11-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
If as Triadic Philosophy holds, reality is all, then that part of reality which is not yet known or understood may be called mystery. And the progression of thought facing mystery runs first to supposition and moves to inference and then to hypothesis. Such as plants can hear or plants have feeling

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Arisbe

2014-11-16 Thread Benjamin Udell
Maybe you're talking about Joe Ransdell's FAQ "Who Is Charles Peirce?" http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/faqs/whoiscsp.HTM Best, Ben On 11/16/2014 8:59 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: (Arisbe) Charles Sanders Peirce: ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY: Home Pa

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